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The Brain's Secret For Sleeping Like a Log

An anonymous reader writes "Why can some people sleep through anything? According to this article in Wired Science, some lucky people have an extra helping of a certain kind of brain static that essentially blocks out noise and other stimuli. These 'sleep spindles' can be detected via EEG, and show up as brief bursts of high-frequency brain waves; some people naturally produce more than others. The researchers say these spindles are produced by the thalamus, the brain region that acts as a waystation for sensory information. If the thalamus is busy producing sleep spindles, sensory information can't make it through the thalamus to the cortex, the perceptive part of the brain."

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  1. Sleep by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Insightful

        Yet, this doesn't explain why I can't sleep at 11:30pm when the house is dead quiet. {sigh}

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    1. Re:Sleep by P0ltergeist333 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The quiet could be the problem, actually. When it's quiet, then every little noise (and thought) is more prevalent. Some people even have tinnitus and are not conscious of it, and that keeps them awake. I would recommend trying white noise, as it performs a similar service as the "brain static" mentioned in the article. I personally use a fan. Or you can pay a fair bit of money for a more precise white noise generator.

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    2. Re:Sleep by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rub one out and it'll help you sleep.

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    3. Re:Sleep by blahplusplus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Yet, this doesn't explain why I can't sleep at 11:30pm when the house is dead quiet. {sigh}"

      You haven't expended enough energy. I find that many people that can't sleep also don't exercise or have sedentary lifestyles. If you add exercise to your life you can bet you'll get tired eventually. You should really only go to sleep when you're tired, when you feel sleepy. I used to have trouble falling asleep until I added walking/exercising an hour or two a day.

      Expending energy goes a long way to solving sleep problems.

    4. Re:Sleep by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I'm fairly confident that I have "Delayed sleep-phase disorder".

      I usually go to sleep between 02:00 to 04:00. I don't have to be exhausted, I can just lay down and go to sleep like a normal person. If there's nothing scheduled, I'll be awake between 11:00 to 13:00.

      I worked one job where they really didn't care when I slept as long as I got all my work done. That was perfect. I'd send my "end of day" emails sometime around 03:00, and show up to the office bright and shiny at noon.

      Attempting to work "normal" hours has been a problem for me for a long time. I talked to my mom about it, and she confirmed it. I rarely managed to sleep before midnight. I was a complete zombie going to school, and wasn't usually completely coherent until around noon.

      The problem is this. If I work by my schedule (awake 11:00, sleep 03:00), I'm fine. If I force myself to wake up at say 7am, I'm a zombie until noon, and exhausted for the rest of the day. It worked fine when I was a kid. Someone was always around to make sure I woke up. Being an adult on my own for many years, if I'm living with someone I have a chance of actually getting out of bed. If I don't, it doesn't matter how many alarm clocks there are, or how loud they are. Somehow I manage to turn off some alarm clocks sometimes. I've woken up with my cell phone in my hand (I set the alarm on the phone too). When I've been with someone, they've told me that I fumble with things until they shut up. If I can't make it shut up I just roll back over and go back to sleep.

      If I'm on my normal schedule, I can wake up normally to an alarm clock at odd hours. So, if there's something unusual going on at 6am, I can be awake and not groggy.

      Sometimes, if there's something going on, like I have work that must be completed, I can work through a whole night, and still be perfectly coherent the next day. I won't be tired until about 3am the next morning. Something like this:

      Wake Sunday at 12:00
      Do early work Sunday night from 23:00 Sunday to 03:00 Monday.
      Sleep 03:00 Monday
      Wake 11:00 Monday (Beginning of the "normal" day)
      Work through 03:00 Tuesday
      Sleep 03:00 Wednesday
      Wake 11:00 Thursday
      Sleep 03:00 Friday
      Wake 11:00 Friday
      Sleep 03:00 Saturday

      Some employers consider it a problem. If you have an employee who can work fine from Monday at noon (allowing showering and driving to work), and they don't feel the need to stop until early Wednesday morning, why complain? That gives 38 hours of work before normal employees even come in on Wednesday morning. It was pretty easy to comfortably work about 70 hours a week, but I only did it as needed.

      I've tried all kinds of different sleep environments. I like the dead silent rooms best. No white noise, no outside noise.

      I've slept in all kinds of places, including airliners. The time has to be right though. If I take an early morning flight (departing at 7am), I can stay awake the night before, get to the airport, take a nap in the terminal until I hear commotion around me which is my hint to wake up. No problem at all. Once I get to my seat on the plane, I can go right back to sleep, and not wake up for anything until the plane lands. Then I am wide awake and perfectly normal, even though the whole night was interrupted sleep.

      At once house I lived in, I had two window air conditioners at the head of the bed. The house had terrible insulation, and one simply wouldn't cool it down. During the summer, they ran pretty much constantly, and they were anything but quiet. I didn't notice noises from outside though, because the white

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    5. Re:Sleep by Compaqt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Looks like nobody's mentioned polyphasic sleep so far, so I guess I'll do it:

      Polyphasic sleep is sleeping in multiple phases in a day. So you don't sleep for 8 hours, and stay awake for 16. Instead, you spread your sleep out over the day.

      Although spreading 8 hours over multiple stretches might be beneficial for some, reducing your total sleep time is where it gets interesting.

      A article in Time Magazine from 1943 describes how Buckminster Fuller devised a system (called Dymaxion sleep) where he slept a half-hour every 6 hours, sleeping 2 hours in a day. That gives an amazing 22 hours a day to do stuff, build Beowulf clusters of N900s, keep a watch out for the Bat-Signal, or whatever.

      The biggest problem with minimal, polyphase sleep systems is that you have to sleep on a schedule. You can't postpone sleep for a business meeting or a late lunch. That's the reason most people (including Fuller) have to drop it.

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  2. Throwback? by hedgemage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't being a sound sleeper be a liability in the Darwin game? I would think that waking up when there's unusual stimuli would be something helpful to keep from being lunch for a nocturnal predator.

    1. Re:Throwback? by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wouldn't being a sound sleeper be a liability in the Darwin game? I would think that waking up when there's unusual stimuli would be something helpful to keep from being lunch for a nocturnal predator.

      Possibly, yes, but not everyone has this deep sleep ability, and humans are social animals. it is possible that a balance between deep sleepers and light sleepers offered other advantages. maybe the light sleepers would hear something, then wake the deep sleepers and they could all run away, while if it was a false alarm that woke the light sleepers in the tribe, the more rested heavy sleepers would still be up for a long days hunting...

      (thats probably not even close to being right, but its just an example of what could have been the case - where variety benefits both sides.)

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  3. Not so awesome as you might think by jimmyswimmy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm one of those log-sleepers.  In college I slept through fire alarms regularly despite the fact that one of the sounders was located in front of my door.  I have never been able to use an alarm clock to wake up reliably, despite locating the clockS across the room so I would have to get up to turn them off - if they bothered me enough to turn them off, I would actually get out of bed, actually switch them off, and go back to sleep - all without remembering.  The second night the baby was home, sleeping in a bassinet next to my bed (six feet away), my wife was pissed at me the whole next day until I finally asked her what was wrong; apparently the baby started screaming, I sat up in bed, pointed at the baby, asked my wife "Why don't you do something about that kid screaming?", laid back down and went back to sleep - I remember none of this.  I can sleep with the lights on or off, although the only thing that actually does wake me is bright light when I've been conditioned to have none.

    On the face of it it is far more of a curse than a blessing.  Sleep is a black hole out of my life from which nothing wakes me (I have woken in the morning on the floor after my wife tried to push me out of bed to get me to take care of the baby back before she realized it wasn't going to happen).  I generally don't even remember my dreams although I know I have them.  As a result I so dislike sleep that I put it off as long as possible and have a light shining in my eye to wake me up in the morning.

    On the upside, as the article says, people with this deep sleeping capability (perhaps such as I have) tend to have good memories and above average IQ.  So maybe there's a good part to this.  But I wish there were room for balance.

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    1. Re:Not so awesome as you might think by Emonair · · Score: 5, Funny

      Two words for your wife... cattle prod

  4. I used to have trouble falling asleep by nido · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My memories of going to sleep as a child are of tossing and turning every night in bed.

    My parents bought my brother a waterbed when he outgrew his twin bed. I thought I'd fall asleep quicker in a waterbed than my old mattress, so I pestered my parents endlessly until they relented and bought me a waterbed too. It didn't help.

    I learned about self-hypnosis, lucid dreaming, and "mental imagery" when I was 17 years old. One style of self-hypnosis calls for relaxing the physical body, then relaxing the mind. I was fascinated by the prospects of "internal senses".

    I tried to relax in chairs and on the bed (such as for a "nap") as best I could, but the only relaxation I experienced was fleeting. I'd feel good for a half a second, then I'd notice feeling good and I'd pop out of the relaxation and be stuck in my overly tense body once again.

    Some of the web pages on dreaming (1999 or so) and books that I read talked about a "drifty-dreamy" hypnagogic state between sleep and wakefulness. I tried to relax as best I could in bed. I always passed out before I noticed anything.

    I left for college the next year, and developed something like lupus (lots of inflammation). I thought I had an RSI, but the P.A. and M.D. at the campus health center said there was nothing wrong with me that a little exercise wouldn't fix. I didn't believe them, so I started my own search for answers.

    Many years passed, and I eventually I ended up in the hands of a capable Osteopath who specialized in hands-on therapy. I told him my story: head trauma when I was 17 y.o., swelling and pain in forearms, etc. He did his thing, and over a course of about a year he gradually helped my body's structures move back into their proper place.

    Other disciplines look at a bone that's out of place as if it's a problem. One maxim from early Osteopathy was that "muscles move bones, and nerves control muscles". So rather than directly popping a bone back into place, a skilled osteopath will evaluate a patient to see what causes a structure to be malpositioned.

    The good doctor likened a case such as mine to peeling an onion: stored trauma comes off a layer at a time.

    One night after a few months of regular treatments, I opened my mouth to brush my teeth and noticed that the constant clicking noise in my jaw (TMJ) was no longer present. I opened and closed my mouth a few times in disbelief. The clicking had been with me for about four years at that point...

    I also noticed that I no longer had to "try" to relax in bed before I passed out - most nights I quickly fell asleep.

    Good sleep comes from having a balanced body, and hands-on therapies are one way to restore balance. There are others that I've found useful, but that's a much longer post.

    Attention Insomniacs: Watch for my replies in this thread & story - I'll try to get some more information online shortly. I just want to get this comment posted while the story is still fresh. :)

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    1. Re:I used to have trouble falling asleep by daveime · · Score: 4, Funny

      And after carefully reading the instructions, and inflating to the correct PSI, they lived happily ever after. The End.

    2. Re:I used to have trouble falling asleep by nacturation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      About 3.5 years ago I had a rather intuitive insight, and pulled a proverbial needle out of a haystack. That is, the intuition suggested I do something that I hadn't ever done before. I followed the suggestion & met the girl.

      Did you trim the haystack so that she could find your needle?

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    3. Re:I used to have trouble falling asleep by YourExperiment · · Score: 3, Funny

      tl;fa

  5. Can't sleep by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clown will eat me.

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  6. Good research, bad conclusion by dj_tla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is an interesting study, but the conclusion it appears to draw is erroneous at best.

    Take this quote, from one of the study's investigators: "During sleep, our neurons are busy doing very complicated processing, including, this study shows, generating sleep spindles to protect us from being awoken from noises in the environment."

    EEG is such a broad average that it tells us very little about what the brain is doing, just like looking at the NASDAQ doesn't tell you very much about how one company or a group of companies are doing. To suggest that our brain is "generating sleep spindles" is myopic; sleep spindles are a symptom of what the brain is doing during sleep: replaying memories temporarily held in the hippocampus and consolidating then into cortex.

    The correlation between producing lots of "sleep spindles" and having relatively good memory makes sense in this light, as does being hard to wake up during sleep, as a brain that's attending to memory consolidation won't be as sensitive to external stimuli (just like when you're concentrating while conscious). But to suggest that sleep spindles function to protect us from noises in the environment makes no sense at all. Evolutionarily, it's more advantageous to wake up when you are being attacked, or are otherwise in peril. If anything, this research would suggest some kind of limiting factor to the overall intelligence of a society that deals with the environment in that way.

  7. Try not by laron · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do. Or do not. There is no try.

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  8. Oh... God help me by RulerOf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do. Or do not. There is no try.

    On behalf of everyone here at Slashdot, I would like to personally thank you for putting Yoda and masturbation into one line of text.

    This awful image in my head.. MAKE IT STOP! :-(

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