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China To Close 2,000 Factories In Energy Crackdown

Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology has published a list of 2,087 steel mills, cement works and other energy-intensive factories required to close by September 30 after discussions with provincial and municipal officials to identify industrial operations with outdated, inefficient technology. The goal of the factory closings is 'to enhance the structure of production, heighten the standard of technical capability and international competitiveness and realize a transformation of industry from being big to being strong,' the ministry says. The current Chinese five-year plan calls for using 20 percent less energy this year for each unit of economic output than in 2005 but surging production by heavy industry since last winter has put in question China's ability to meet this target. In addition to the energy-efficiency objective in the current five-year plan, a plan announced by President Hu Jintao late last year called for China to reduce its carbon emissions per unit of economic output by 40 to 45 percent by 2020, compared with 2005 levels."

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  1. Meanwhile, here in the West... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The $€£ is still king.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile, here in the West... by cosm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The $€£ is still king.

      Even if this was intended trolling (I don't think it is), it is an insightful point. For as much as American's rag on China as a country and their countless instances of unethical this and that, parent is correct in that here the $€£ really is king. We do not seem to have any vision when it comes to things like alternative energy, reducing our energy consumption, and industrial efficiency. Many, many businesses just keep chugging along, consuming more and more and more energy to make more and more and more money. Read the comments here for a better glimpse. Exponential growth is not sustainable.

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    2. Re:Meanwhile, here in the West... by AlecC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the West, the $€£ is king; in China, to a large extent the Party is king. Many of these factories will be extremely inefficient and would have bell closed or replaces long long ago in the West, but have been kept going in China because of the effect on local jobs - especially local party jobs. The power that says that 2000 factories must close because of central policy is the same power that kept them open regardless of whether it was in most people's best interest to do so. Central control works both ways: when the centre is right, it can get things done very fast. But when it is wrong it can get things don, or not done, with equal efficicency. For all its defects, when the market is working properly it is remarkably efficient.

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    3. Re:Meanwhile, here in the West... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't flatter yourself. There are materials that have been banned in manufacturing in the USA and are completely legal to import from elsewhere. Take, for instance, my friend's cookware company. They were not allowed to manufacture a part of the handle for their frying pans because it contained lead, so instead, they shipped off their manufacturing to China where the lead was no problem, and they also managed to get some cadmium yellow into certain handles. It was okay to import and sell since none of the cooking surface was exposed to the lead/cadmium, but it just goes to show.

      And by the way, being environmentally clean costs money. I don't get how you claim that products are going to be cheaper when they're "green." There's a lot more to it than buying machines that can produce "green" products.

    4. Re:Meanwhile, here in the West... by mitgib · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is more plausible is China no longer wishes to buy our bonds. We are seeing this in many countries already, shifting their holdings to the Euro. as fewer are willing to purchase US Treasuries, the higher the interest rate will need to be offered to attract buyers, which in theory would cost the tax payer more, but reality shows it is just the largest ponzi in existence.

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  2. Re:economic growth through government regulations! by nlvp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or they're saying they don't like where the economic optimum will take them (i.e. inefficient factories burning massive amounts of energy in a period of rapid growth in energy demand), and would prefer to pre-empt the energy crisis this would create by intervening now.

    The alternative is to leave these factories alone. What happens then?

    1) China can't increase energy production fast enough to meet demand.
    2) Energy prices increase.
    3) New, more efficient factories gradually enter, taking over the business of the inefficient factories as they are forced out by rising energy prices.
    4) Meanwhile, the increased energy prices affect the rest of the economy, slowing economic growth and raising prices for consumers.

    This way is better, because they're creating room for the competition without waiting for the energy price to do it for them. This will reduce the consequences of future energy shortages on the rest of the economy, and accelerate the adoption of more efficient technology in heavy industry.

  3. Re:So who will be the next China? by delinear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And no doubt you expect it to 'lead' by eliminating the pesky 'free' part, just as China does.

    Well, signing up to initiatives like Kyoto would at least be a start.

  4. Stupid to leave this to the Chinese. by miffo.swe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its very shortsighted of us in the west to give this whole area of development to the Chinese. As they get more efficient and starts getting good at using alternative energy we in the west will still fight about oil, coal and other forms of non renewable energy.

    The future lies at the feet of whom have energy in wast amounts. If China wins this race, they win in the long run. I wouldnt be surprised if we end up paying royalties to China for their technology instead. Some politicians cling to the idea that the west will supply the brains and the rest of the world will pay.

    Our greed comes back to bite us over and over.

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    1. Re:Stupid to leave this to the Chinese. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and they even (gasp!) signed the Kyoto protocol the US took a dump on.

      They signed Kyoto because, being a non-Annex I party, they didn't actually have to do anything!

  5. That's exactly right by stomv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but China could have simply raised the tax on energy to push those inefficient industries out of business -- either because they rely on cheap energy (concrete) or because they're being out-competed by more efficient factories elsewhere (outdated, inefficient technology). Places with the $€£ could most certainly increase the tax on various energy sources to generate the same factory-closing result. It would have other results as well (everyone consuming less energy, a redistribution of wealth, etc etc) which may or may not be attractive for a given populace.

    So yeah, the implementation of their policy reflects statism vs. democracy. The policy goal itself (reduce energy to GDP ratio) could certainly be attained by a democratic nation with democratic policies -- using taxation or carbon pricing.

  6. Re:THAT'S a country that takes its plans seriously by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Guess there are some real advantages to a oligarchy over a democracy.

    I'll pass.

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  7. Re:Playing Civ by need4mospd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed with one exception: In Monopoly, the bank can't win.