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Recycling an Android Phone As a Handheld GPS?

imblum writes "So my dad's antique handheld GPS unit just went toes up and I was considering replacing it for him with an old Android Smartphone. All he really needs it for is hunting and camping (no navigation), so I don't want to pay for cell or data service. I found the program Mobile Atlas Creator to download map files onto the SD card, and an app called Maverick Lite to view them. Now all I need is to decide on an Android phone. I was considering a Samsung Behold II ($100-200 on Craigslist), but thought it would be nice to get some input from the Slashdot community. It seems like I can get a lot more functionality for the money out of an old Android than I could from a big name handheld GPS. Does this plan sound reasonable? Is there anything I'm overlooking?"

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  1. Why? by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're talking about spending $100-200 on an Android phone, and you can get a real dedicated GPS receiver for $90 that requires no effort to set up, no purchase of an additional flash card, has a warranty, etc.

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    1. Re:Why? by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 4, Informative

      Huh? You're not paying for the right to use the GPS chip, any more than you pay your carrier for the (ahem) "right" to use the audio chip.

      I take it you've never been a victim...errr, customer of Verizon. My dad has them, and he actually has to pay an extra monthly fee to be able to move pictures and video from his phone to his computer. It's the craziest shit I've ever seen. I don't care if they have better coverage than T-Mobile, at least I'm on a carrier that gives me complete control over what I do with my phone.

  2. Used GPS are cheap by winkydink · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just bought a used Magellan explorist 500 ion Amazon for $7. Why bother with hacking an android phone?

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  3. Cell phone GPS not the same... by Gazoogleheimer · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a reason why 'real' GPS units cost more, despite not necessarily having as many fancy 'features' that often end up being unnecessary.

    Cell phones rarely have WAAS. Cell phones usually also use the cellular system to receive the phase of the GPS satellite transmission to aid in reception--but--if you don't have any service, the accuracy can get pretty deplorable (well, compared to say my GPSmap 60CSx that usually locks within fourteen to sixteen feet)...the battery life isn't as good, cell phones are horribly made, and the chipsets and antennae are simply much, much, much better in a dedicated unit. Pick up a used GPS--that's a real GPS--and it will be much better suited to hunting and camping rather than looking for the closest Starbucks. Real GPS units have rubber gaskets for a reason.

    1. Re:Cell phone GPS not the same... by PipsqueakOnAP133 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know you're trying to be funny, but I've been in a situation where I had to find out how worthless all the "GPS-capable" smartphones in my hiking group really were. For the discussion at hand, it doesn't matter if it's an Android, WinMo, or Apple. They're the same: absolute crap.

      You're looking at a few crappy metal traces which are shared with all sorts of other radio gear compared to an actual hard-core ceramic patch antenna.

      Want to see quick numbers? Let's go to sparkfun.com:

      Cell phone class antenna: GPS-09131
      Gain: 2.6dBi

      Mini wussy GPS helical antenna: GPS-09871
      Gain: 18dB (typical, they claim)

      Old school generic ceramic GPS antenna: GPS-00177
      Gain: 26dB

      A group of us got lost in the hills hiking. Given that most phones depend on cell tower assistance for GPS, all of them couldn't tell us where we were. So after wandering into the next park's guest station, they drove us 45 minutes back to our starting location. Next time, I'm bringing an old WinMo2003 handheld with a GPS CF card because it actually has the right kind of antenna. (as well as WAAS support, etc)

      Android phone as a GPS in the woods? Hell no.

    2. Re:Cell phone GPS not the same... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah. You have a fundamental misunderstanding what antenna gain means. As a passive device, an antenna can not provide "gain" in the sense you are thinking of. Antenna "gain" is merely its directivity minus its insertion loss. I do not doubt that the insertion loss may be lower on a dedicated unit. Still, "gain" is not a good thing.

      Gain is approximately directivity. Directivity tells you how "pointy" your beam is. A high gain antenna will allow you to measure fainter signals, assuming you are aiming at them exactly. A "low gain" antenna has a comparable beam in all directions, meaning that you do not need to aim your device at anything in particular.

      As for the actual question at hand: try a symbian phone such as the e71x, e71, Nokia Nuron, or any other recent low-cost nokia smart phone. Nokia's Ovi Maps application allows you to download entire continents of maps over your computer, and offers turn-by-turn directions. Or better yet, get a real GPS. It will cost you an extra $25, and will make your dad's life easier.

  4. durability by KnightBlade · · Score: 4, Informative

    A GPS device in my experience is much more durable than a smartphone. Smartphones are delicate devices. My GPS has been dropped tons of times, been left in the car in hot weather and cold winter, even sprayed with water on a couple of occasions. It still works. I doubt a smartphone would do that. On the other hand you could use the android for more than just navigation. You could have apps installed that don't need an internet connection, music, videos and what not. Although most new GPS devices do play mp3s.

  5. Outdoor GPS more ruggedised by fantomas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Depends on how your dad uses his GPS and what he needs to do with it, but Android smart phones aren't generally designed for rough conditions.

    I've got a Garmin eTrex and an Android phone. The Garmin is way more ruggedised than the touch screen smart phone (Motorola Milestone). I don't think the Milestone would cope with pouring rain, snow, getting knocked about in rucsacs, dropped in puddles, sat on, etc, and still function in bad weather at night when I really need to know where I am: it might be life or death. "Smart phones" with a few exceptions are much too flimsy for outdoor use in severe conditions.

  6. Motorola Droid, not so good as GPS by richardkelleher · · Score: 3, Informative

    I took my Moto Droid to France and Spain this spring for just that purpose. By definition there was no phone network in Europe, it only works with Verizon. I downloaded maps using MapDroid and planned to use it for GPS and email in wi-fi zones. The wi-fi email tool worked ok except the phone has a hard time hanging onto a wi-fi connection. As a GPS it was worthless. I find that if the phone network is disabled, the GPS takes forever to find it's location (sometimes it failed completely). If you are planning to not have a phone network connection, don't bother with this one.

  7. Re:Battery life might be a concern. by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 5, Informative

    I did a reasonably extensive amount of research into how to do this, and I'm pretty confident I know the answer.

    1. Get OruxMaps - it allows you to use maps without an active internet connection.
    2. While connected to wifi, download the tiles from google terrain (or one of the other map sources available). If you know exactly where you're hiking, you can get zoomed in maps for say a 20 mile square around the center of your hike with amazing resolution.
    3. Put your phone in a plastic bag, and only take it out if you actually don't know where you are (I find that I almost always do).

    In terms of battery life, I was using my android phone as a camera too, and checking GPS every few hours to verify I was in the right place, and it lasted for three days taking down the battery by 40%. Make sure to turn off the cell tower seeking and such or else you will drain the battery really fast. Airplane mode probably won't allow you to receive GPS, unfortunately, but you can at least turn off wireless, data connections, etc.

    If you aren't going to be gone very long, and you want a cool log of your trip, you can have OruxMaps poll the GPS in "power saving" mode, which as far as I can determine seems to mean connecting, and then dropping to low power (non-receiving) mode for 10-20 seconds before polling the satellites again. Then you can tell it to make a "track", and it will record your hike -- average speed, immediate speed at each point, speed distribution, altitude map, total distance, and other cute information.

    Hopefully someone will mod this up high enough that the submitter can see it... this is the part of ask slashdot that always confuses me. Hopefully a few hundred other people came up with the same solution, so at least one of us is actually noticed =)