World's First Voice Call From a Free GSM Stack
zycx writes "As Dieter Spaar has pointed out in a mailing list post on the OsmocomBB developer list, he has managed to get a first alpha version of TCH (Traffic Channel) code released, supporting the FR and EFR GSM codecs. What this means, in human readable language: He can actually make voice calls from a mobile phone that runs the Free Software OsmocomBB GSM stack on its baseband processor. This is a major milestone in the history of the project."
I thought the GSM voice codecs were patented by Philips, as described in this page about an otherwise Free implementation of GSM FR.
Pardon me, but what does this really mean? Does this mean that we could develop our out cell phones, a kind of born unlocked? Would this allow us to create our own devices that include GSM without relying upon the industry providing us feature sets we don't want or need?
Is this really historic, or just a really nerdy, geeky milestone?
In other words: What will this do for me?
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Sounds like a pretty impressive feat. Shows that talented, dedicated individuals collaborating in a small group are still by far the most effective way to create software. All that "process" and "management" BS can do is decrease the performance of talented people. And with untalented ones, the final product will always suck, no matter what "process" or "management method" is used.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
If you've any other links, I'd like to add them here:
http://en.swpat.org/wiki/GSM
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What this means, in human readable language: He can actually make voice calls from a mobile phone that runs the Free Software OsmocomBB GSM stack on its baseband processor.
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this is slashdot in 2010 the nerds have gone all to 4chan...
So basically what the article is saying is that these guys have the bragging rights for developing an open source GSM transmitting platform? Congrats I guess, but seeing as how GSM has been around for quite a while and is actually nearing the end of its life cycle, the applications for this platform is limited. Good news for hobbyists and tinkerers though. Will be interesting to see what sort of stuff comes out of the woodwork.
ok, so.... he can make a phone call. Big Deal! Let me know when the call is free (not just the software)
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its maker and model are sort of embedded in its IMEI and there are blacklist (not just for stolen handsets, but also for models with critical radio flaws
Thanks for pointing this out. But every time I searched Google for gsm imei blacklist plus some other keywords, there were so many results about stolen handsets that I couldn't find any related to radio problems. Can you provide a reference or other keywords that would help me learn more about how carriers manage their IMEI blacklists?
Not only Free and Open Source Software, you also beat a lefthanded iPhone hands down with TWENTY minutes of call time!
Codec patents are not legal everywhere.
I can't think of any company whose customers all have the finances to emigrate from software patent countries.
According to the all-knowing Wiki: "phase I of the GSM specifications were published in 1990"
So, depending on your point of view:
- it's taken 20 years to implement something that had a published standard and worldwide, cheap hardware examples used by millions of people every day.
- the standards took 20 years for an outsider to be able to implement them independently.
And we're still only talking alpha code with specialised hardware.
... perhaps the first patents expired.
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You can bet your sweet ass that ass soon ass this software stack gets stable and usable for normal people there will be swarms of lawyers from the big telecoms attacking this project.
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Congralations to the team!
You mean the GPL? That would be free software for the end user, no restrictions. If you become a distributor, then there are certain reasonable restrictions. So long as you don't distribute the code, you can do anything else you want with it anywhere, any time. Certainly that doesn't qualify as 'many limits', nor does it even apply to the user.
Users are better served by the GPL. Distributors (particularly commercial distributors) arguably are better served by BSD/Apache-like licenses such as you reference.
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A new era of phreaking is just around the corner, with commodity hardware, free software, and the will to continue to hack service networks. We're not there yet, but it is looking more and more like we may get there. Not a modern day equivalent of the good ol' blue box yet, but we'll keep trying.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
Why emigrate yourself when your phone (or other device) can become an immigrant, even if illegal?
Because this is illegal, you know. You're out of pocket $200 for a product that got confiscated at the border.
The customs are a bunch of idiots who cannot recognize an op-amp from an ADC if they'd've stepped on a DIP one pins-up, barefoot. If they weren't, they wouldn't be working as low-level drones. Just get an offshore friend to take the thing apart and ship it declared as spare parts (send the plastic housing shell as a separate shipment, so the recognizable parts won't attract undue attention to the important parts), or get somebody to carry it in a luggage as a personal possession when traveling in. Works virtually every time.
"He can actually make voice calls"
But did he actually make a call?
Or is this all theoretical?
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