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Rupert Murdoch Plans a Digital Newspaper For the US

Hugh Pickens writes "The Guardian reports that Rupert Murdoch plans to launch a digital newspaper in the US geared specifically to younger readers and to digital outlets such as the iPad and mobile phones. The paper, as yet unnamed, will pool the huge editorial muscle of Murdoch's combined holdings within News Corporation, which include the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post and the financial wire service Dow Jones, as well as his newspapers in the UK and Australia. Earlier this month, Murdoch said of the iPad: 'It's a real game-changer in the presentation of news,' adding 'We'll have young people reading newspapers.'"

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  1. Game changer by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Rupert Murdoch: Dragging us into the 20th century.

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    1. Re:Game changer by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obviously his company & friends are getting worried that their grip is failing to bend the hearts and minds of American young'uns to their liking, at least like it used to (PDF).

    2. Re:Game changer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is it that you assume only FOX News spews propaganda?

      I didn't see that anywhere in his message. Why do you assume that he assumes that only FOX News spews propaganda? Or do you think that as long as other people do it too, it doesn't matter (how old are you)? Or do you feel every post about Fox (or Google, Microsoft, Apple, BP, whoever) should end with a line saying "The following other companies, governments or organisations also do bad things..." with a long list?

    3. Re:Game changer by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Hi, I'm Wally, the Murdoch Digital News Pay-wall Wallaby. According to other news sources - ones that you shouldn't waste your time reading - I'm an endangered species. So please give Master Rupert some of your money because I don't want to be Wally the extinct wallaby."

    4. Re:Game changer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look closer at the links he provided us with:

      - A google search he did for "Murdoch's Propaganda Machine")
      - An anti-FOX News site called outfoxed

      They're links relevant to Murdoch, yes. In comments on an article relevant to Murdoch. Funny how that works. So do you feel he shouldn't comment on any perceived shortcomings of Murdoch? I haven't looked yet but do you feel that your own comments give equal coverage to every other person when commenting on any one person/company/etc? It doesn't seem too likely.

    5. Re:Game changer by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why is it that you assume only FOX News spews propaganda?

      Although the AC answered, for the record I am well aware that the research demonstrates that Murdoch's channels (much more than Fox, WSJ, Sky etc) are certainly not the only active and passive participants in blatant propaganda. Not to mention the echo chamber amplification of such rhetoric.

    6. Re:Game changer by zblack_eagle · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's kind of funny how "Conservatives" like to preach that "Liberals" don't understand Economics 101, yet in their supposed worship of the (theoretical) free market they're quite happy to ignore instances of market failure, such as natural monopolies, externalities and the like.

    7. Re:Game changer by cgenman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does anyone else do it to the same degree as FOX news? Has another TV channel cut around a speech to make a conservative look like they're saying something that was the exact opposite of the point of the speech? Does Martin Bashir cut off the mic his guests if they say things he doesn't like? Does MSNBC give its reporters an explicit ultimatum to promote a particular point of view or risk your job?

    8. Re:Game changer by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And does any other individual have the ability to spread his lies to 1/3 of the worldwide population? Rupert Murdoch is a fucking menace.

    9. Re:Game changer by DaHat · · Score: 2

      But there you see the key difference between FNC & MSNBC... FNC clearly draws a line between it's reporters & commentators

      Don't believe me? Look back to the 2008 presidential debates. Did you ever see Beck, O'Reilly, or Hannity (ie commentators) acting as a moderator or questioner during any debate? I do seem to recall Olbermann & Mathews doing so though while nearly simultaneously rooting for specific candidates. Nothing of that kind was seen from FNC reporters.

    10. Re:Game changer by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is interesting because 99% of people I ask say no to that question, and instead reply that almost all new channels are guilty of it. I once tried to do a survey of people on a forum of the perceived bias of various news outlets and although there was surprisingly little interest (only about 8 people responded) no one claimed fox was alone in spewing propaganda, and no one disputed that they were the worst for it. I personally have yet to find a general news organisation that I am even comfortable with reading/watching and would claim that all media outlets spew propaganda. So you can add me to the quoted statistic here and make it 98%, or 98.9% or whatever depending on the size of your sample.
      I have recently been evaluating http://www.opednews.com/ for bias and it seems ok but I wont be sure until I have read it for a few weeks straight. The layout on their site bothers me but that is something I may have to deal with.

    11. Re:Game changer by fwarren · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt they are "factualy accurate". I have been close to three or four news stories in my life. So far I have never seen the news get any of the details right. If I had to make a judgement, I would say they got about 20% of the details right. They report on things they don't know. They don't check up on the facts.

      Example I work for a compnay where a bank we had some loans with accused us of over-infating the value of the company to get a larger loan. Well, beause as some time we talked to the bank on the phone, they went to a Federal Judge and got a warrant for Wire Fraud.

      So the FBI storms the building, I help their crew pull all the data they need from our computer systems. 80 computers, and they only one they take was a computer in a meeting room which had a hard drive go out on it the day before. Since it was the one computer I would not allow them to pull data off of (duh, it had a broken hard drive) they siezed it. News that night runs a story that over 100 computers were siezed.

      2 weeks later the news covred a story where they said that the FBI had analyzed our financials and found such and such out. Two days later I got a call from the Lab at the FBI asking which version of the accouting software we used that we were running and what were the passwords.

      If that is the general quality of reporting and getting the facts right. I am afraid that every time I turn on the TV and watch the news, or read a newspaper I actually get dummer.

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    12. Re:Game changer by Nutria · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am afraid that ... I actually get dummer.

      Looks like you actually are getting dumber!

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    13. Re:Game changer by Stevecrox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm finding the Guardians website is pretty good for UK news, they actually seem interested in doing investigative journalism. More than a few times the seem to have covered things the BBC and other newspapers won't touch.

      You will never find a news organisation which isn't biased. I'd suggest using multiple sources with biases you can determine. I used to use the Guardian, BBC and The Times. The Guardian because its left wing, BBC because their biases are insanely obvious and the Times because it's right wing.

      Most people don't perceive a bias if it matches their own. It's why Fox News can exist in the first place.

    14. Re:Game changer by H3xx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (Plus if you google Rupert, he's beaten to first place by a ginger wizard.)

      This only means he's good at staying out of the public's eye (and out of the scope of their wrath).

      Most people get angry at people like Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh and others for saying ignorant, racist, elitist things on the airwaves, while those who really influence public opinion the most never get a second look.

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  2. "We'll have young people reading newspapers." by DWMorse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We'll have young people reading newspapers."

    Not till you tear down that Pay wall, Mr. Murdoch.

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    1. Re:"We'll have young people reading newspapers." by LambdaWolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My thoughts exactly. Murdoch seems to be hell-bent on capturing some revenue per reader on a subscription model, regardless of how poorly this is doomed to work on the Internet. No matter how good the content is or even how low the price is, no paywall-based news site will be more attractive than the convenient "point browser at URL, get page" model of Murdoch's many competitors.

      Really, it's the same mindset as the RIAA/MPAA companies who are ignominiously featured on Slashdot so often. They have a pre-Internet business model that allows them to get paid per copy of their product, and rather than accept that it won't survive a new technological environment where anything can be copied and transmitted around the world for free, they keep trying to hammer their outdated but profitable square peg into its new round hole with awkward technical and legislative "solutions." The good news about Murdoch's new project is that, unlike DRM and the DMCA, paywalled newspapers are easy to just ignore.

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    2. Re:"We'll have young people reading newspapers." by PrecambrianRabbit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They don't want to read their news. They'd rather hear it (radio) or see it (TV, streaming videos).

      I'd be really curious to see statistics on this. I'm probably on the upper end of the youth demographic, and the only way I get news is by reading it. I think TV news is mostly a waste of time, radio is too inefficient compared to quickly scanning an article, and streaming video is the worst of the two -- most of the "stories" delivered by video are just fluffy human interest pieces, or clips that have some spectacle to them. (Of course, this is all my personal experience, and I don't believe I'm necessarily typical. Hence, I'd like statistics.)

      Naturally, I don't read printed newspapers, I read their websites. At least, the ones not behind a paywall.

    3. Re:"We'll have young people reading newspapers." by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Really, it's the same mindset as the RIAA/MPAA companies who are ignominiously featured on Slashdot so often."

      Funny thing is that Murdoch turned his Aussie fiefdom into an empire during the 80's by curcumventing the similar mentality of the Fleet St unions who refused to allow newspapers to modernise their printing presses. He did it by setting up his own modern digital printing presses in direct competion with the old clunky mechanical stuff the unions had under their control. Now the worm has turned and it's Murdoch who is desprately clinging to the old clunky methods and crying foul about others who are modernising the industry.

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  3. If there's one thing Murdoch knows, it's kids. by Spazntwich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Check out the youthful demographics Fox News attracts...

    And he's sure to only increase the popularity of his empire with our generation as he attempts to sue Skype for having the same three letters in it as his other news organization that nobody under 25 has heard of.

    1. Re:If there's one thing Murdoch knows, it's kids. by DrScotsman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And he's sure to only increase the popularity of his empire with our generation as he attempts to sue Skype for having the same three letters in it as his other news organization that nobody under 25 has heard of.

      Not that I don't think the lawsuit is stupid, but wow, what a pointless diss. Rupert Murdoch owns a company in the UK that some North Americans haven't heard of - so what? We've certainly all heard of it over here.

      By the way, BSkyB isn't a "news organization", although they do have a news channel or two.

    2. Re:If there's one thing Murdoch knows, it's kids. by bertoelcon · · Score: 2, Informative

      You read it here first folks. Rupert Murdoch: World Class Pedophile.

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  4. Everyone who thinks this will work... by mooingyak · · Score: 5, Funny

    raise your hand. What, no one can hear me? IF YOU THINK THIS WILL WORK, RAISE YOUR HAND! Is this thing on?

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    1. Re:Everyone who thinks this will work... by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm raising my hand. Rupert Murdoch is a billionaire for a reason. He's right more often than he is wrong. And he has the resources to back this venture.

      No. He was right more often than he was wrong 20+ years ago at the time he made decisions that caused him to became a billionaire

      A lot can change in 20 years.

      The world we lived in underwent major changes when the internet and online news became popular.

      We are in a completely different world today, and Murdoch is very much living in the old world. So he may be right less often about things; doesn't mean Murdoch is dumb, it just means he has an incomplete/lacking understanding of all that has changed.

      Less complete understanding of the present makes it a bit harder to understand let-alone predict and be right about the future

      His thinking about iPad may be more hope than realistic expectation.

      It's true the iPad presents an opportunity for him to sell electronic digital content.

      But then again we have similar things available on computers and web sites..

      News Corp's best chance at selling any news subscriptions for the iPad will be if it becomes more convenient for people to buy/read his content than other free sources, which is doubtful to be true for long.

  5. Tiered content by hessian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good idea:

    For the people who can read newspapers, there's the full story loaded with factual detail.

    For the rest, there's a blog-style two-paragraph campy tongue-in-cheek story that's easy to read.

    He can charge money for the real content, then have his editorial staff of college hipsters convert it into a blog for $8/hour.

    Smart, this guy -- he's good at spotting markets and catering to them. I doubt he holds any of the opinions featured in his newspapers.

    1. Re:Tiered content by quax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I doubt he holds any of the opinions featured in his newspapers.

      I don't think you've paid much attention to R. Murdoch before, have you?

    2. Re:Tiered content by dbIII · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually from his Bowyer Lectures two years ago (ABC Radio may still have the mp3s or transcripts) he's a way to the left of Obama on social issues. Fox News is aimed squarely at a market, and remember that just because you employ a cocaine ravaged reactionary ex-DJ doesn't mean you agree with everything he says - it's about ratings!
      While Murdochs views on health care and education are progressive he still would break the net and get money from the broken bits if he had the power to do so. If enough people with power listen to him that may happen.

  6. Re:What's left unsaid by dnaumov · · Score: 2, Informative

    Professional journalism costs money. News at 11.

  7. Re:Great by localman57 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does Fox News, BTW, ever cover the fact that Murdoch is married to a former member of the Chinese Communist Party?

    Probably not. When you grow up you'll discover two things: First, it's not a good idea to crumb on the boss's wife. Second, you don't have to agree with someone's political stances in order to love/marry them. It's even easier when you attach "former" to those political stances.

  8. Re:Geez... by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 3, Funny

    He actually bought the word "digital"! It seems you've used it without permission...lawyers with lasers on their heads are on their way, please do not resist.

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  9. the gamechanger by AffidavitDonda · · Score: 3, Funny

    Murdoch said of the iPad: 'It's a real game-changer in the presentation of news,'

    Hmm, sure, yes, the thing has something like a screen. Actually it is a screen. That would allow us to add those new thingies the PR guys talked about all the time. I think they call it "animations". And we could change those news during the day, not like this old printed stuff, with only one print a day. Sure, people would have to pay for it a little bit more, since they get more news. But those kids a surely used to pay for services they get from the internet...

  10. Unlimited Content by pez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Murdoch is in a tough spot. The internet has given us access to nearly every piece of content that has ever been created, or is currently being created, in near real-time. In addition, automated editing tools are improving by leaps and bounds every year, with recent apps like Flipboard (and others), obviating the need for professional human editors.

    So it's difficult to see how this slight re-working of an old model is going to work in a world where the game has changed in such fundamental ways.

  11. "paid-for" by Dracos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The paywall pretty much guarantees failure. Young people generally have a long list of things above "news" on which they choose to spend their small amount of disposable income. I applaud his astounding failure in advance.

  12. Re:Good luck... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can someone persuade Murdoch to buy FaceBook? I can't think of a better way of killing it...

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  13. Re:What's left unsaid by ScottForbes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Granted, professional journalism does cost money, but what does this have to do with Rupert Murdoch?

  14. Who wants to pay for "Short and snappy"? by gregrah · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From TFA:

    According to the LA Times, it will publish customised content that will be tailored both to the digital medium and the tastes of the target readership. Stories will be short and snappy, the Times's source said.

    As a young person (does 26 still count as young?), I find the whole premise insulting to my intelligence. The internet is full of short, snappy, and FREE content. Why would I want to pay for more crap? For me to consider paying for an online publication, it would have to be informative, and probably confined to a niche in which I have a strong personal or professional interest.

    I predict failure of epic proportions.

    1. Re:Who wants to pay for "Short and snappy"? by gregrah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      TheGratefulNet:

      While I find Fox News just as reprehensible as you or any other rational human being - I really can't agree with the tone of your postings all over this thread. I find it very reminiscent of the sort of "right wing" comments I see over the internet. You know, the "Obama is a SOCIALIST", and the "LIBERAL FASCISTS want to take away our freedom" type comments. In short - by omitting the "why" part of the argument and jumping straight into attacks (with various negative keywords emphasized in capital letters), you are creating noise.

      Noise - no matter which side it comes from - makes it harder for people to think rationally. And when people can't think rationally, it makes it impossible for democracy to function as originally intended.

  15. Problem: young people don't read newspapers by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Young people don't read newspapers. Not in the way Murdoch's thinking, at least. They don't start on page 1 and read through to the end. And they don't compile a list of subjects and read consistently on those subjects for months at a time. They get a sudden interest in a particular subject, search for stories about that specific subject right now, skim them and maybe read a few of the most interesting ones, then go on to other things until another subject piques their interest. This is why Google's so popular: it makes it easy to do exactly that. If Murdoch doesn't accept that, he's simply going to be passed over yet again.

  16. Re:Great by haruchai · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think you're missing the point - that's exactly the kind of sensationalizing the far right has been so good at doing in recent years. Has everyone already forgotten the fuss about Obama's schooling in Indonesia?

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  17. Re:What's left unsaid by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    professional journalism, in the mainstream, died decades ago.

    what we now have is packaged spin, nothing more.

    THIS is why people go outside (of the mainstream) to fetch real news and viewpoints. we're pretty tired of the crap that passes for 'news' from the establishment, these days.

    indie is the only hope we have left; certainly NOT big-news machines!

    the smaller the site, the more likely it is that they're NOT on someone's payroll, spouting out their masters' views for a fee.

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  18. Everyone has bias, so what? by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's kind of like claiming that a desert and an ocean both have some amount of water in them.

    While technically accurate, it does nothing to advance the discussion.

    Some sites (such as Fox) are 100% bias. But if you are watching Fox for "news" then you are probably not interested in sites that provide only 50% bias.

    CNN will provide a low level of bias ... when they get around to covering the NEWS instead of the "freak of the week". Seriously, was the airplane steward guy the MOST IMPORTANT THING HAPPENING? It was if you go by total coverage time.

    Instead of complaining about bias (and doing so in a non-productive fashion) how about complaining about having to go digging for NEWS? And offering suggestions as to how to find NEWS stories instead of "biased opinion" or "freak of the week"?

    1. Re:Everyone has bias, so what? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I get my news from 2 places:

      - jon stewart, daily show (seriously)
      - fark.com (half serious)

      the commentary 'by the people' is far more educational and revealing than any paid mouthpeace in a cute dress.

      go where there is a lot of left AND right discussion and you'll see a spectrum of the total truth (if there is such a thing).

      the news is in the people; not the anchorperson, anymore.

      find the discussion boards that relate to current events and start there.

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  19. Indie is useful. by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because you get people who KNOW the material that they are covering.

    They may be over estimating the importance of what they cover, but they KNOW what they're covering.

    Compare that to the "news readers" on the other news shows. Could they even find the countries they're talking about on a map? Or in the USofA, can they find the state they're talking about on a map? There are some good ones but the majority were hired because they're "photogenic" rather than informed.

    I'll take informed over photogenic any day.

  20. Re:Great by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Marxism-Leninism and its offshot Maoism may be dead as a political force, but Communism is still very visible as a critique of contemporary culture. Slavoj Zizek, for example, seems to be everywhere I turn these days in aesthetics, economics and social phenomena, and I'm amazed at how many young people in Europe are not only reading his books, but downright enjoying them (rare among contemporary philosophers).

  21. What's the point? by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Murdoch's product is best suited for housebreaking puppies or wrapping fish. Neither of which work well with an iPad.

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  22. Professional Journalism? by DesScorp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    professional journalism, in the mainstream, died decades ago.

    And if your definition of professional journalism is "unbiased writing", then it never existed in the first place.

    Too many people believe in this mythical golden age of journalism, when all reporters were unbiased and pure of heart.
    Which is bunk, because it never existed. Pulitzer prize winning reporters for the NY Times were nothing but flacks for Joseph Stalin (especially Walter Duranty). Walter Cronkite reported that America couldn't win in Vietnam on the eve was what was the biggest military victory for the US in the war. Had Dan Rather not gotten caught, he'd still be anchor at CBS today.

    Reporters have had bias as long as there have been reporters.

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    1. Re:Professional Journalism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      As far as Cronkite goes- in the end we lost didn't we? Military victories were all pointless since we did nothing to reform/repair the broken political system in Vietnam. He didn't say we couldn't win battles, we couldn't win the war. Are you in the revisionist camp that thinks if only it weren't for the bad publicity we would have won? We didn't lose because we "quit" too soon- we would never have won since our basic strategy was flawed and it wasn't about to change no matter how many more body bags we thew on the pile.

    2. Re:Professional Journalism? by dangitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Reporters have had bias as long as there have been reporters.

      That's true, but it's not really the issue here, is it? There have always been biased reporters, but Fox News is a network designed from the ground up to trash journalistic principles and function as a propaganda outlet.

      And yes, that's nothing new, either. It's just rather disconcerting, when so many people treat it like it is a serious news outlet. In fact, many are so deluded that they think it's the only one telling them the truth.

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  23. oh, good idea by AnAdventurer · · Score: 2

    Except us "younger" readers know two things. 1) "Reading" on the internet makes our heads hurt. 2) Us "younger" readers know Rupert is a "douche".

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  24. Haven't you noticed his travelling show? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's a brief rundown of what I think he's been trying to achieve with all the noise over the past three years. He's pushing hard to have government run media sites (eg. BBC) cut back (with some success) and pushing hard to have index sites like google tied up in court after weird new IP laws are drafted. That will leave nothing but blogs and his paywall sites. He can play this game since he doesn't really have anything to lose with his newspapers - they already bleed money.
    I suppose the business model is:
    talk to governments about IP laws and brang google as pirates, then take the money google would normally get.
    The Murdoch press and media already had a HUGE beatup over google collecting wifi information and had some success in changing public and government opinions about google. He's also been speaking everywhere he can get anyone to listen about how the net is a denizen of theives and we should all be restricted to paid content or jobs will be lost - or something along those lines, check your local Murdoch paper for details. He has more influence than anyone here would like, understands the net more than many here (he had an ISP in 1993 FFS and has always listened to experts) but doesn't care if he breaks it so long as he can get money from the pieces.

  25. Only one by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is only really one existing "free market" and that is the "black" market..in anything. Very successful, despite a lot of effort to try and eliminate it. Pick a goods or service demand which has to be met in the "black" market because it is "illegal" otherwise..and it is over all successful, and there is usually a lot of competition, and even if some of the "marketeers" try to eliminate their competition, that usually fails in general terms.

    All other markets are regulated in some form or another and can't be classified as free markets.

    Just an observation, not making a judgment call on anyone's business.

  26. Younger readers? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    I suppose "younger readers" can go on the list with "military intelligence", "plastic silverware" and "Microsoft Works".

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