Yes, 5,000 would be a problem. The police wouldn't be prepared for that. They would have to call in reinforcements from other towns first. Even 500 people drunk enough could become dangerous if the situation gets out of control.
The bill in this case would be the taxpayers burden in Germany. That's what we pay taxes for (one reason), the police protecting our health and property. They could try to get some money back from the illegal party goers. At least those who don't follow police orders to leave the place. The police can give this kind of order. In case of public danger they can tell you to leave a certain area.
But the main point here is, that the call for a new law is just utter nonsense. We have enough laws to cope with such situations. There where illegal parties long before facebook and nobody asked for new laws. If such events didn't run out of control, nobody cared. If they did, most likely somebody called the police and they handled the situation depending on actual events and based on existing laws.
Actually you have the option to allow somebody to enter your private property or to send him away (and call the police if he doesn't go). Even if you invited him. The few events I remember where parties really went mad was, when parents let have the kids the house (or where away for other reasons) and the kids simply lost control.
Anyway: As pointed out by Asic Eng, around this time of the year we have to cope with less popular politicians using the opportunity to get media attention.
Maybe that's right. But police, once they have the address, has more option than blindly raiding the house. They could scan the network and see from where it's used and maybe even intercept the packages.
That would mean one more step for the police. And anyway, the main question was, if it's making police work impossible, what it doesn't, since police with evidence that a certain IP was clearly used for criminal activity would get the address and other data necessary to carry on their work.
I don't think this ruling applies to normal police work.
from the order:
"the imprimatur of this court will not be used toadvance a “fishing expedition by means of a perversion of the purpose and intent” of classactions."
The police can still get the address of the suspect and than do some their job by observation to collect evidence. I think if they can proof, that the suspect is at home every time the IP was used for some criminal activity, this would be enough.
While "explaining the unexplained" may be a reason for some people to believe in god, in my opinion that is a minority. Most deeply religious people don't care about the "unexplained" and wouldn't even come up with any of the questions that where driving science and modern society for centuries.
Most religious people simply seek a omnipotent protecting father figure that shields them against plain everyday peril and distress. Something where they can take refuge in cases of illness or poverty. And something that gives them the hope, that they may see again those who they have lost in some "paradise" after death.
I mostly agree with you and I'm not opposed to nuclear energy. And if things in the Arab world spread from Northern Africa, oil will become even more of a problem anyway.
But there are a few more problems about the highly toxic waste produced in nuclear plants. First of all it's by far not everywhere easy to find a storage place. Here in the more densely populated Europe and especially in Germany it's near impossible to find such a place that's not within a few kilometres of a city.
Then there are questions of security. For a very long time to come. We have seen this problem in Russia and other countries. Governments change, borders change. Can we be sure, that such storage facilities will only be accessed by nice guys? There is always the risk of somebody taking even small amounts of this waste to built a dirty bomb.
My main hope here is, that scientists in near future will find a better way to handle all or at least the most dangerous of those substances. Maybe if fusion energy would be available, we could bash the stuff with some extra accelerated neurons to make something harmless out of it. Maybe even something useful. (I know that this is most likely nonsense from a scientific view. Just meant as a kind of abstract picture)
Starting with WWII every single war of the 20th/21th century was won with the help of computers and communication. Its not about propaganda, but to allow rebels to exchange important strategical information.
That's just envy. If you work in a field that in centuries didn't come up with anything better than "I think therefore I am" (somehow obvious, isn't it?) then to beef about other peoples success seems to be a common retreat...
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so now we all can start to ask their webmaster about the important details. how many emails will he get?
Most likely he was in something like historical linguistics or etymologies, so the only files on his laptop where some texts for his book and he didn't have the money to make a publisher print it anyway.
Still a bad loss, since at least he wanted to show them to his old parents when he visits them next Christmas.
I don't believe the sun does much over deep ocean.
The algae in the ocean need the sunlight. They're the largest source of oxygen on the planet (nope, not the rainforest). So the sun is doing a lot over the oceans.
Maybe if they would've hired Ivan Doroschuk for that, it would have worked. The "Safety Dance" video comes quite near to how I imagined the Tom Bombadil chapter while reading LOTR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
Yes, and then I would add a few things that would point directly at me, only make them so stupid and easy to find, that it looks as somebody else has put them in to point at me...
And then insert something, that adds up to 23 in some way, to give some food to the conspiracy theorists as well.
That's a kind of vicious circle and the whole "Who did it?" discussion is just aimless.
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Yes, 5,000 would be a problem. The police wouldn't be prepared for that. They would have to call in reinforcements from other towns first. Even 500 people drunk enough could become dangerous if the situation gets out of control.
The bill in this case would be the taxpayers burden in Germany. That's what we pay taxes for (one reason), the police protecting our health and property. They could try to get some money back from the illegal party goers. At least those who don't follow police orders to leave the place. The police can give this kind of order. In case of public danger they can tell you to leave a certain area.
But the main point here is, that the call for a new law is just utter nonsense. We have enough laws to cope with such situations. There where illegal parties long before facebook and nobody asked for new laws. If such events didn't run out of control, nobody cared. If they did, most likely somebody called the police and they handled the situation depending on actual events and based on existing laws.
Actually you have the option to allow somebody to enter your private property or to send him away (and call the police if he doesn't go). Even if you invited him. The few events I remember where parties really went mad was, when parents let have the kids the house (or where away for other reasons) and the kids simply lost control. Anyway: As pointed out by Asic Eng, around this time of the year we have to cope with less popular politicians using the opportunity to get media attention.
What's Facebook?
Maybe that's right. But police, once they have the address, has more option than blindly raiding the house. They could scan the network and see from where it's used and maybe even intercept the packages.
That would mean one more step for the police. And anyway, the main question was, if it's making police work impossible, what it doesn't, since police with evidence that a certain IP was clearly used for criminal activity would get the address and other data necessary to carry on their work.
I don't think this ruling applies to normal police work.
from the order:
"the imprimatur of this court will not be used toadvance a “fishing expedition by means of a perversion of the purpose and intent” of classactions."
The police can still get the address of the suspect and than do some their job by observation to collect evidence. I think if they can proof, that the suspect is at home every time the IP was used for some criminal activity, this would be enough.
While "explaining the unexplained" may be a reason for some people to believe in god, in my opinion that is a minority. Most deeply religious people don't care about the "unexplained" and wouldn't even come up with any of the questions that where driving science and modern society for centuries.
Most religious people simply seek a omnipotent protecting father figure that shields them against plain everyday peril and distress. Something where they can take refuge in cases of illness or poverty. And something that gives them the hope, that they may see again those who they have lost in some "paradise" after death.
erad ot kaerb siht ythgim rehpyc ytrid tsilairepmi
I mostly agree with you and I'm not opposed to nuclear energy. And if things in the Arab world spread from Northern Africa, oil will become even more of a problem anyway.
But there are a few more problems about the highly toxic waste produced in nuclear plants. First of all it's by far not everywhere easy to find a storage place. Here in the more densely populated Europe and especially in Germany it's near impossible to find such a place that's not within a few kilometres of a city.
Then there are questions of security. For a very long time to come. We have seen this problem in Russia and other countries. Governments change, borders change. Can we be sure, that such storage facilities will only be accessed by nice guys? There is always the risk of somebody taking even small amounts of this waste to built a dirty bomb.
My main hope here is, that scientists in near future will find a better way to handle all or at least the most dangerous of those substances. Maybe if fusion energy would be available, we could bash the stuff with some extra accelerated neurons to make something harmless out of it. Maybe even something useful. (I know that this is most likely nonsense from a scientific view. Just meant as a kind of abstract picture)
Starting with WWII every single war of the 20th/21th century was won with the help of computers and communication. Its not about propaganda, but to allow rebels to exchange important strategical information.
Or they would show a close shot of the remaining samples in some dark corner. And the stuff, now with air and moisture, starts to GROW!
I would like to have a mammoth wool sweater
That's just envy. If you work in a field that in centuries didn't come up with anything better than "I think therefore I am" (somehow obvious, isn't it?) then to beef about other peoples success seems to be a common retreat...
Coin edged? So you think it's a UFO that crashed there?
At least enough to understand, why "double your previous bet" in the "best roulette system in the world" doesn't work...
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so now we all can start to ask their webmaster about the important details. how many emails will he get?
If I find spelling errors on their site, can I charge them for my proofreading?
It doesn't explain anything at all but will give you epilepsy after two viewings.
That's just to give the music enough time to burn holes in your brain...
fellow teacher would have given back the laptop, but never his scientific work
Most likely he was in something like historical linguistics or etymologies, so the only files on his laptop where some texts for his book and he didn't have the money to make a publisher print it anyway.
Still a bad loss, since at least he wanted to show them to his old parents when he visits them next Christmas.
I don't believe the sun does much over deep ocean.
The algae in the ocean need the sunlight. They're the largest source of oxygen on the planet (nope, not the rainforest). So the sun is doing a lot over the oceans.
I could accept Biohackers, but the next step would be Bioscriptkiddies...
Maybe if they would've hired Ivan Doroschuk for that, it would have worked. The "Safety Dance" video comes quite near to how I imagined the Tom Bombadil chapter while reading LOTR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
Yes, and then I would add a few things that would point directly at me, only make them so stupid and easy to find, that it looks as somebody else has put them in to point at me...
And then insert something, that adds up to 23 in some way, to give some food to the conspiracy theorists as well.
That's a kind of vicious circle and the whole "Who did it?" discussion is just aimless.
In Soviet Russia Mac Donald's writes you...
Who will get the catering contract? MacDonalds or BurgerKing?