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75% Use Same Password For Social Media & Email

wiredmikey writes "Over 250,000 user names, email addresses, and passwords used for social networking sites can easily be found online. A study of the data collected showed that 75 percent of social networking username and password samples collected online were identical to those used for email accounts. The password data was gathered from blogs, torrents, online collaboration services and other sources. It was found that 43 percent of the data was leaked from online collaboration tools while 21 percent of data was leaked from blog postings. Meanwhile, torrents and users of other social hubs were responsible for leaking 10 percent and 18 percent of user data respectively...."

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  1. Passwords by geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as passwords remain the central method of authentication, this will continue.

    1. Re:Passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      My password is IAMGAY. That way, even if it got found out I can be confident no one will want to use it, because that would mean they are gay.

    2. Re:Passwords by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shame this isn't ten years ago. You coulda got some VC funding for that idea.

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    3. Re:Passwords by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My password is IAMGAY. That way, even if it got found out I can be confident no one will want to use it, because that would mean they are gay.

      What if they are gay? ;)

      Your comment reminds me of the best password policy I've ever heard: offensive gibberish. If someone's password is suitably embarrassing odds are quite good that they won't share it with anyone.

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    4. Re:Passwords by jDeepbeep · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So... being gay is both offensive and embarrassing?

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    5. Re:Passwords by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Funny

      hunter2

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  2. "Leaked"? by Pojut · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So wait...how exactly did they get hold of passwords?

    1. Re:"Leaked"? by KnightBlade · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While I was studying Info. Sec. at my univ, my professor at the time told the class about this research they had about passwords. They were going around gathering statistics by asking random people questions about their passwords- length, number of special characters, if they used the same passwords, the number of times they changed them and so on. He said what amazed him was that one in every 5-6 people would just tell them their password and ask is that good enough?

    2. Re:"Leaked"? by BergZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's pretty amazing just how much of the world is based on trust isn't it?

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    3. Re:"Leaked"? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's pretty amazing just how much of the world is based on trust isn't it?

      And it's equally tragic that it can't.

      I don't think it's so much that people automatically trust each other, although that's certainly the case sometimes, it's more like it never occurs to too many people, unfortunately, that what they divulge could cause problems in the wrong hands.

      For many years now, when someone asks me for information, my first thought is not to give the information, but to consider why I don't want to give it to that person. And I don't consider myself particularly paranoid with respect to what I share.

      It gets tiring after awhile. Modern life in the 21st century requires a level of vigilance regarding information that probably never existed outside of the military, national security apparatus, law enforcement or some elements of business before a couple decades ago.

      "Loose lips sink ships" was a common saying during World War II, but nowadays everyone must practice that level of vigilance over their own information all the time merely to be safe from criminals.

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    4. Re:"Leaked"? by Securityemo · · Score: 3, Informative
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    5. Re:"Leaked"? by plover · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not so much about trusting a person. Although that's an exploitable component for social engineers, social engineering is fairly rare, and it doesn't scale well. It's really about the machines in which we place that trust, and how those machines can be hacked. That's the easy part to scale up.

      Hackers (specifically criminal types) operate on statistics. They don't care so much "which" websites they break open, they care about breaking into "some" sites and harvesting what can be found there. They also harvest the easy stuff: cleartext passwords, cleartext account numbers, etc. They won't run a deep password cracker on a million accounts, but they might run a simple /usr/dict/words kind of scan.

      Of course once you've broken a thousand passwords on socialsite.com, you can try correlating those to majorbank.com and amazon.com and all the other potential sources of money. Again, you don't care if 900 out of a thousand fail, because you can still effectively steal from the 100 that remain.

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    6. Re:"Leaked"? by socz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And today we know *way* too much, in way too much detail, ...

      That sounds like an argument for why porn should NOT be put on bluray and in HD!

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  3. Use Password Hasher by mbuimbui · · Score: 5, Informative

    Use firefox extension's password hasher (http://wijjo.com/PasswordHasher). Then you only need to remember one password but can use it for a variety of sites. If any one site's passwords get leaked, you dont have to go around an update your password for all other sites.

    1. Re:Use Password Hasher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And if you ever need to sign in from a computer that doesn't have firefox, and that extension, installed.....you are stuck.

    2. Re:Use Password Hasher by tool462 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In Tinfoil Hat Land, if you don't have FF installed, then it's likely not a computer you control*, and if it's a computer you don't control, then should you really be entering your password**?

      * It must be a machine at work, friend or family member's house, public terminal like a coffee shop, public library, etc.
      ** If it's not your computer, you don't know who that computer has "been with". There could be key-loggers, cookie-trackers, syphilis. Who knows!?

    3. Re:Use Password Hasher by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So I guess Chrome, Opera, Iron, Seamonkey, and dozens of other web browsers are completely insecure?

      I know IE6 is a nightmare. I don't really pay attention to IE7 or IE8 because I don't use them. I know Chrome involves some privacy issues, and I suppose there is something that has to do with selective script management. From what I hear, however, Opera and Iron are supposed to be pretty damn secure. Also, SeaMonkey is supposed to be pretty decent. I can't talk about Safari because, like IE, I really don't care about it at all.

      Of course, you prefixed your post with "In Tinfoil Hat Land..." so I suppose you were being somewhat sarcastic. But I am curious, do you really think FF is the only secure browser out there?

  4. Problem is lack of importance by sarbonn · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The problem is that a lot of people don't perceive email or social networking sites to be all that important, yet EVERYONE wants you to create a password for practically everything you do. I don't need a password to sign onto a site to look at stereo equipment, yet they force you to create one on some of those sites. On gaming sites where all I do is talk about games, I don't need 50,000 passwords for the different ones cause I don't care if someone steals my password there.

    I don't care that I don't have all that much concern for facebook's password. If someone takes my account, it would be unfortunate, but is it really the end of the world?

    Places where it might cause me economic misfortunate, well, those I care about, but everyone out there thinks that their site is so important for passwords.

    Some places, it's important. Others, not so much.

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    1. Re:Problem is lack of importance by jim_v2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's why I use three different passwords. One is for sites I don't care about...like registering for a forum that I only need once. The second is for things that I'd like to be more secure, like forums I visit often, Facebook, my person blog, etc. The third is for critical things like email, online banking, shopping sites like Newegg and Amazon, etc.

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  5. Yup, Probably true by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll give a bit of a hint here, I do the same thing, just with a slight variation:

    Mostly-Trusted media sites get the same password (obviously vastly different user names)
    Slashdot, Fark, Broadband Reports, etc

    Then I have my pseudo-trusted sites with their own password group:
    Demonoid, imageshack, probably others.

    Non-trusted sites get a random junk password each access = reset password
    ie: low accountability not tied to a company name with 2-3 visits/year

    My email gets its own password of 10+ characters

    Work gets its own password of whatever the hell rules they implement this week. Tech support has to deal with LOTS of reset requests since I don't write it down, but they have a different password for every freaking service and every freaking service has a different password lifetime setting.

    So aside from work, I really only have 3 passwords or so, but it helps break up the damage should one be compromised. Compartmentalized is probably the best description.

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    1. Re:Yup, Probably true by happyslayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Same basic process, though different criteria for me:

      • Junk sites (one-time login for news, quick downloads, register-to-see, tech mailing lists) get the same low-end password. If I can't foresee any information that I care about going to that site, then it gets a basic throwaway. (I also misspell registration details so i have an idea if advertisers are getting that info).
      • Slashdot, forums, etc: Also low-grade. Sorry, but if someone gets their rocks off posting crap as me, I can live with it. I've got enough First Life points to keep me busy.
      • Personal email: Since I don't trust the email systems that are in the hands of others, I don't put anything on there I care about. (If someone wants to know that I'm asking my prof how to fix some code, more power to them--it'll bore them to tears.) Hence, it gets a medium-grade password.
      • Online stores: Medium grade for one-time purchases, high-grade for repeat business.
      • Own email system, bank, etc: High grade password, randomized (at least to the rest of the world) that it passes the basic dictionary-attack. For example, I somehow remember old phone numbers and bank accounts from 20 years ago (none of which are in use); add a couple of 1337-speak letters and you're in business.

      Like the parent, it's really a matter of compartmentalization and damage control. If you don't own the system, it's not completely trustworthy. If it's your system, it's only modestly trustworthy. If you're doing something criminal/embarassing/stupid, it's better to leave all notes at the bottom of the Marianas trench.

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  6. Password Hashing (pwdhash) by bradgoodman · · Score: 4, Informative
    Password hashing let's you enter the same password for several sites, but changes it (i.e. hashes it) along with the domain name of different web sites - which means you are actually using a different password for every site

    Furthermore, since the passwords are seemingly random characters (not words, or anything sensable) - they are generally quite strong.

    "pwdhash" is the foremost system for doing this - there are several browser extensions and other tools for automating it

    See: http://cynix.org/tools/superpwdhash

  7. As it turns out.... by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently 75% of the passwords tested were hunter2.

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  8. Dilbert by KnightBlade · · Score: 5, Funny

    When it comes to passwords, this dilbert comic comes to mind- http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2007-01-17/

  9. The danger of too many password requirements by Kepesk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hah, my worst enemy is a system where a password has to have:
    - at least two uppercase letters
    - at least two lowercase letters
    - at least two numbers
    - at least two symbols
    - at least 12 characters
    - no characters that repeat
    - nothing that's in your personal records
    - nothing from the dictionary that's over three characters
    - nothing from a FOREIGN dictionary that's over three characters
    - at least three characters different from your last 10 passwords

    No joke, I used a system for years that had those exact password requirements. Worse yet, I had to SUPPORT this system. Sometimes it would take a half hour for me to help someone figure out a new password.

    There is a danger in creating a password system with two many requirements, because I know very few people who used that system who didn't have their password on a sticky note on their monitor.

    1. Re:The danger of too many password requirements by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I like Bruce Schneier's take on this problem:

      "Simply, people can no longer remember passwords good enough to reliably defend against dictionary attacks, and are much more secure if they choose a password too complicated to remember and then write it down. We're all good at securing small pieces of paper. I recommend that people write their passwords down on a small piece of paper, and keep it with their other valuable small pieces of paper: in their wallet."

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  10. It gets even worse... even different passwords by rsborg · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ... don't necessarily help.

    Facebook's founder knows the importance of social media:

    Mark used his site, TheFacebook.com, to look up members of the site who identified themselves as members of the Crimson. Then he examined a log of failed logins to see if any of the Crimson members had ever entered an incorrect password into TheFacebook.com. If the cases in which they had entered failed logins, Mark tried to use them to access the Crimson members' Harvard email accounts. He successfully accessed two of them.

    So in this case, the victims didn't even have the same password, but accidentally used the email password for Facebook. Combined with a malicious site (which Facebook was for them) this can lead to leaked passwords.

    The best solution to this is to use a password manager like 1password, roboform or KeepassX. I find 1password useful because it matches my password with the domain, preventing inadvertent entries. It's also a boon if you are developing with dozens of test and staging sites which change passwords often.

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  11. firefox has that hash function by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but there's no reason why you can't have your own hash function in your head

    take a root password, say "penguin"

    say you are creating a password for slashdot

    so your password for slashdot is "penguinslashdot"

    but for gmail its "penguingmail"

    this is an extremely simplistic algorithm. i'm just using it as an example to show you: remember a PASSWORD GENERATING ALGORITHM, not a password. then you have a unique password for every site, but you don't have to remember 500 different passwords

    a REAL algorithm could be something like "the first letter of my root password plus the third letter of the website name's ascii character value plus 3 divided by my home phone number as a kid plus the second letter of my root password plus... etc"

    or whatever

    the actual password used for each site can be quite variable and the algorithm can still be hard to guess even with a hacker who knows three or four such passwords

    the point is: you don't need to remember a password, you need to remember a password creating ALGORITHM, in your head, that only you know, which is infinitely more secure, but no harder to remember

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  12. Counterbalance by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

    What if they are gay? ;)

    That's why his usernames are all something along the lines of "IAM_NOT_GAY"

    It's a sort of psychosexual firewall. Only someone who can embrace being gay and not gay at once may pass.

    Or Pat.

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    1. Re:Counterbalance by WillDraven · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, as a bisexual I am uniquely suited to compromise this persons account.

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  13. Re:Same password by SQLGuru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use a set of passwords for varying levels of trust.

    Highly secure passwords (usually site specific and follow good password rules) for banking, email, computer accounts, etc.
    Medium secure passwords (usually follow good password rules but passwords may be used for more than one site) for trusted shopping sites (i.e. Amazon, etc.)
    Medium-Low secure passwords (may not follow good password rules but still reasonably secure against dictionary attacks) for social media and for one-off shopping sites.
    Low secure passwords (probably only stops low-motivated hackers, passwords re-used at multiple sites) for throw-away registrations and communities that have very little tie to my personal information

    It's really more for convenience than security, but in areas where I need the security, I'll put up with the hassle.