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Throwing Out Software That Works

theodp writes "Just as the iPhone rendered circa-2007 smartphones obsolete, points out Marco Arment, the iPad is on the verge of doing the same to circa-2010 netbooks. Should this succeed, cautions Dave Winer, we may be entering an era of deliberate degradation of the user experience and throwing overboard of software that works, for corporate reasons. Already, Winer finds himself having to go to a desktop machine if he wants to view web content that's inaccessible with his iPhone and iPad. 'There was no bottleneck for software in the pre-iPad netbooks,' he writes. 'It matters. What I want is the convenient form factor without the corporate filter. It's way too simplistic to believe that we'll get that, but we had it. That's what I don't like — deliberate devolution.'"

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  1. Yeah nothing works anymore by Jarkov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah my 2006 Blackberry is really obselete now. Going online, checking my mail, instant messaging, and god forbid calling people has never been a worse experience. But I guess I don't have a fart button app, time to throw it out.

    1. Re:Yeah nothing works anymore by drolli · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same is true for my 2006 Nokia E61. Impossible how i could stand having the choice between several web browsers. Totally irresponsible how Nokia does not enforce the use of the preinstalled (not so good) e-mail client but allows me to install unsigned (or signed) alternatives. Totally irresponsible that there are several instant messaging clients. This hampers with my user experience. i have to make choices what works best for me. Thinking hurts.

    2. Re:Yeah nothing works anymore by joocemann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah my 2006 Blackberry is really obselete now. Going online, checking my mail, instant messaging, and god forbid calling people has never been a worse experience. But I guess I don't have a fart button app, time to throw it out.

      The fact is you are right, but don't miss the humor in all this.
      I think its hilarious that the guy posting this article made the *choice* to move to the iPad, and now blames Apple for the change in the market. Hello! Wake up dummy! You voted to support this with your DOLLARS when you already knew it would be this way --- oh and now its 'blame apple' time. And as far as I know all the netbooks are still available. Will your trend-wad friends not hang with you if you whip out your Acer instead of an iPad? Go get some REAL friends.

      As far as I can tell this article is no more than a mask to cover the buyers remorse for being weak enough to fall for Apple's marketing/buzz/trend campaign. Boo hoo.

      LOL.

    3. Re:Yeah nothing works anymore by Brummund · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what the heck is wrong with making a phone or pad that supports HTML, and not plugins?

      This is Slashdot, right, not the Flash Programmers Welfare Foundation?

    4. Re:Yeah nothing works anymore by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what the heck is wrong with making a phone or pad that supports HTML, and not plugins?

      What's wrong with making a phone or pad that supports HTML *and* plugins? Because there's no technical reason in the world to do that. Such products already exist. Those are shackles Mr. Jobs is putting on your wrists, not iFreedom Bracelets.

    5. Re:Yeah nothing works anymore by DavidApi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damn right. The web (Internet) was supposed to provide a platform that could be accessed by all devices, providing they adhere to the web standards. And that means HTML. Not Flash, or Silverlight, or even Java Applets.

      So bugger off and make your own proprietary network standard. Just don't go bitch about a company that's brought out a devive that DOES support just the standards. Hell, should I moan if I bring out a proprietary plug-in that isn't supported by device X? Or should I put my money and time into making something that works within the standard (or at least help stabilise the upcoming standard)?

      Next you'll be wanting to modify the TCP/IP protocol itself to suit your particular content - and then bitch at Apple for not supporting it in their products.

  2. Huh? by rrohbeck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPad causes all netbooks to disappear all of a sudden?
    It's your own damn problem if you bought an iPad. Should have bought a netbook.
    Writing this on my EeePC. I like a real keyboard.

  3. He has my sympathy by zill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It must suck to have Steve Jobs break into your house, smash your netbook, and force you at gunpoint to buy an iPad.

  4. Yeah, totally wiped out my netbook... by Thraxy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The iPad totally wiped out my netbook. I don't really need a keyboard, non-shiny screen for outdoor viewing, webcam, 3 USB ports, 2 GB RAM, 160 GB harddrive space and a Windows+Linux dualboot. What I really wanted was a digital picture frame I could poke...

  5. Re:Too scared to say that the iPad sux, I guess .. by FlyByPC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPad isn't crap. I'm by no means a fan of Apple, but the iPad is a very slick (if somewhat expensive) piece of hardware. Apps like Google Maps and some of the available games are very polished and work amazingly well. The problem isn't the iPad -- it's the Apple philosophy of our-way-or-no-way-at-all. Same for the iPhone; it looks like a very well-engineered piece of hardware (Grip-Of-Death issues notwithstanding), but it's horribly crippled by being tied to iTunes (which is, in my mind, has one of the worst user interfaces ever foisted on consumers -- made worse by the fact that it's rammed down our throats to use any Apple hardware.) I admire Apple's engineering, but their marketing policies have ensured that I would rather pay for a more open product (Samsung's Galaxy S series, for instance) than accept an Apple product for free.

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  6. Re:Whip out that gopher client? by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Often technology takes a step back to take a step forward. Remember when CDs-DVDs replaced floppies? Suddenly you either had to burn a -rw or waste a -r to copy files. Then USB drives hit the market and you had the best of both worlds, the size and the usability. Look at the Ipad as a stepping stone, once users see its flaws they will be ready to accept something that lacks those flaws.

  7. Re:iPad? Seriously? by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

    TV? It's junk. I'm sorry to say it. I had high hopes, but the thing is just an overpriced miniature theatre.

    In my village, we watch the puppet shows. They have all the entertainment we need. The music is better that the noise on the TV. We listen to the elders for their wisdom. And we hear about outside events from travelers. All together, it costs less than half what a TV costs.

    All this hype over these electronic devices mind boggling. I just don't get it.

  8. Re:iPad? Seriously? by Phat_Tony · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you tried sitting around on the couch browsing the web, watching video, and looking through your pictures on an iPad and on your netbook? Because the iPad is just way better at those things.

    I was in the market for a netbook, but I waited until the iPad came out to see what it was. You know what? It's really cool, but it doesn't meet my primary needs as well as a netbook. I often need to do things like commander whatever large monitor is available at someone else's house or workplace, plug it into my netbook, and edit a large spreadsheet. I also do a lot of typing, some with the machine on my lap, and the iPad just gets killed by netbooks. So I went with a Hackintosh Dell Mini 10v. For my needs, it kills the iPad. But I also recognize that my needs aren't everybody's needs, and I've played with the iPad, and for some things, it's a way better experience. Yes, netbooks can do nearly everything iPads do, plus much more, but iPads do certain things better. If those are the only thing you do...

    So if you don't "get it," seriously, have you ever tried doing the thing the iPad's good at on an iPad? Because I don't see how you could try it and not enjoy it, it's really smooth. I mean, the iPhoto experience on the iPad just kills my netbook.

    The "article" is an absurd troll. The popularity of the iPad is not going to destroy the netbook category. Macs and iPhones are both selling really well too, but no one's complaining that they're about to destroy all other phones or computers. iPads for some, netbooks for others. Get what you want, nothing to see here.

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  9. Re:Wait for Google then... by Kilrah_il · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem we see in all these opinion-pieces is that they look at the issue from the geek point of view. If a whole boatload of people are buying the iPad instead of a netbook it's probably because it works for them. Yes, people are stupid (No post is truly good if it's not condescending), but still - the iPad does what they need.
    For us geeks there are other alternatives, but does not mean there is a "deliberate degeneration of the UI". If anything, the iOS brought a UI that was more appealing to the average Joe.
    Just as in any profession, there are different levels of tools for different levels of users. I have in my house one simple screwdriver and it's enough for all my needs (opening the computer case and changing cards :) ). My dad has a full set of tools and about 20 different screwdrivers, because that's what he needs. Same thing with the iPad and other Apple hardware. They all cater for the average user not the ubergeek.

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  10. I Bought an iPad Two Weeks Ago by Petersko · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Things that tipped the decision into "spend":

    1. I'm going to Vegas. "Easy Vegas" app is good.
    2. I'm going to Vegas and I'm going to watch movies on the flight.
    3. Amplitube iPad Edition came out - and it's great.
    4. Instant on. No need to boot to check weatheror news, or to look up something I'm curious about.
    5. The Reuters app is awesome.
    6. Camera connection kit deals properly with Nikon raw format.
    7. The tools for photo management are really coming along beautifully. Photogene is a good tool for travel.

    Since then I've discovered some new things.

    1. The 10 hour battery life is both real, and awesome.
    2. I have gone to a site that required flash exactly twice, and I found the same content elswehere in a format I could view.
    3. I really like reading magazines on it (Maxim with Kaley Cuoco!)
    4. On the most difficult setting, the Scrabble app kicks my ass.
    5. I haven't turned my netbook on since I got it.
    6. The screen gets dirty when I eat cheezies and surf porn.
    7. There's a LOT of compatible porn.
    8. I've been expecting to have to buy a wireless keyboard, but so far I haven't "needed" to.

    Anybody want to buy a used netbook? It has crappy battery life and a screen that semi-sucks, but it has a keyboard.

    Do I give a crap that a bunch of nerds online think that it's underpowered compared to stuff that's 18 months away? Not even slightly.

    I'm as technical a guy as they come. My workdays are spent writing industrial scheduling and simulation software on Unix. But I'm past the age where I want to screw around with stuff when I get home. Give me something that works well and doesn't give me any grief.

  11. Re:iPad? Seriously? by digitallife · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hilariously I was exactly the opposite of this. I never even considered getting and iPad, as I saw no possible use i would have for it, and i had absolutely no desire to own one. I'm not even in the market for a computer, and I hate laptops.

    2 weeks ago i was in a store and had an opportunity to use an iPad for a little while. I was blown away. It was so intuitive, so easy to use and so *pleasant* to use. I didnt have to fiddle with a little trackpad or mouse nubby thingy. I didnt have to find some annoying way to position it on my lap without burning my balls or sitting in some strange uncomfortable position to give a flat surface for it. It just sat in my hands, and i pointed at what i wanted.

    The next day I bought one, and now i sit in the living room with the family to check my email and browse website, even play games. I stopped playing wow because of the iPad. I'm more social, play with my daughter more (she presses the button to turn it off and then starts playing her own games while I'm reading slashdot lol), and am generally extremely satisfied with it. Not only do I like it better than netbooks, but i like it better than desktops for casual usage.

    At work of course i still use a 30" monitor and 8 core machine, with a real keyboard :)