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Germany To Roll Out ID Cards With Embedded RFID

An anonymous reader writes "The production of RFID chips, an integral element of the new generation of German identity cards, has started after the government gave a 10-year contract to the chipmaker NXP in the Netherlands. Citizens will receive the mandatory new ID cards starting from the first of November. The new card allows German authorities to identify people with speed and accuracy, the government said. These authorities include the police, customs and tax authorities and of course the local registration and passport granting authorities. There are some concerns that the use of RFID chips will pose a security or privacy risk, however. Early versions of the electronic passports, using RFID chips with a protocol called 'basic access control' (BAC), were successfully hacked by university researchers and security experts."

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  1. perfect bomb triggers by vinsci · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The new card allows German authorities to identify people with speed and accuracy, the government said.

    Unfortunately, they will also make perfect bomb triggers, when the target walks by.

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    1. Re:perfect bomb triggers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Won't happen.

      The chip is based on the ISO14443-A standard and you can only communicate with it over at most 15 cm distance (about 6 inch). Under normal conditions the range goes down to roughly one inch. You have to walk very close to the bomb to set it off.

      A bomb will also have a hard time to identify you. The chip has an ID that is public readable, but for privacy reasons this ID is a random number that is only valid for a single transaction session.

      Also the article is wrong. The pass will not use the BAC protocol but the much improved PACE protocol. That's state of the art crypto. It's still broken by design because you can do a simple man in the middle attack over the air, but it is a lot better..

  2. Re:time to buy by drewhk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All of my IDs and cards fit nicely in a metallic business card case. It's cheap, small, looks nice and blocks radio.

  3. On the BAC thing... by Wdi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is the standard required by US immigration for foreign biometric passports.

    And only with these you can take advantage of visa-waiver (minus ESTA, minus new tourism support fee) entry into the US.

    So either your passport supports this, or you can make an appointment weeks in advance at a select US consulate in a city only a few hundred kilometers away if you want to travel.

  4. Re:Who woulda thunk it by Urkki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, and the government is out on tracking everybody! Really if they want to track you they will no matter what. If I have to choose between a RFID chip in my ID card or a tinfoil hat and wallet. I'll take the RFID chip cause the chance of it being useful exceeds the chance of the government bothering to track everything I do.

    No, the thing is, without this kind of technology, they can choose a number of individuals they have resources to track at the same time. With this type of technology, they can track everybody at the same time. With modern storage capacities, a future government can retroactively check what you have been doing through your life.

    And it becomes a slippery slope. It starts with tracking terrorist suspects, proceeds to solving other crimes, and ends with tracking people who disagree with the current party in power and threaten their next election win, and after that all bets are off. Just hope you never visited a house where some opposition activist lived back then...

  5. Re:right, before Zee Germans get there by Tom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, they look to the government for guidance still. It's in the character. They still don't have real freedom of speech there.

    So it is only "freedom" if it is identical to your version of freedom ?

    Please, cut down the arrogance a few notches, you'll notice the rest of the world likes you a lot better if you don't go around all the time assuming that your way is the one and only true path to whatever.

    Our freedom of speech (I'm german) is as real as yours. We just have some priorities differently. For example, we don't allow people to threaten abortion doctors with murder under the cover of "free speech". Our version of your "free speech" is called "freie Meinungsäußerung". That has three parts: Free, speech and opinion. What it means is you can freely express your opinion. If you leave the area of expressing your opinion - and "we'll kill you" isn't an opinion anymore - you may run into trouble.

    And no, we don't look for the government for guidance. In fact, our current government is such a joke, anyone who does look to them for anything except satire is retarded. However, what we do is not share the ridiculous paranoia about the government that is visible in the US. We don't think anything done by the government is automatically evil and to be mistrusted. We view the government as an entity much like many others - capable of both good and evil.

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  6. Mythbusters - RFID by object404 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Adam Savage's talk on the 2008 Hackers on Planet Earth (HOPE) conference on why Mythbusters was forced to not do the "how easy it is to hack RFID tags" episode is very, very interesting.

  7. Re:identity cards, not passports by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, but you have to remember that Americans have a lot fatter asses than they have in Europe.

    I wouldn't be so quick to jump on that bandwagon. Although this is an older site, I can't imagine things have changed drastically in 5 years. The page was also updated in Dec of 2009:

    http://www.malehealth.co.uk/weight/18962-now-were-fatter-americans

    Two out of three US men — 67% - are overweight or obese. Finland, Germany, Greece, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Malta have now all exceeded this figure. England and Wales are not far behind.

    The EU is so worried about it that it has launched its own campaign against obesity. 'The time when obesity was thought to be a problem on the other side of the Atlantic has gone by,' said Mars Di Bartolomeo, Luxembourg's Minister of Health.

    The tubby top ten:

    Greece (78.6% of blokes are overweight or obese)
    Germany (75.4%)
    Czech Republic (73.2%)
    Cyprus (72.6%)
    Slovakia (69%)
    Malta (68%)
    Finland (67.8%)
    Slovenia (66.5%)
    Ireland (66.4%)
    England and Wales (65.4%).

    Frankly, I don't think urban sprawl has anything to do with obesity in a significant way. I think it has to do with fat/calorie content of restaurant food (especially so in the US), and the fact that 'eating out', which used to be the odd occurrence here, has become more the norm for a high percentage of homes. Way too much fast food, or even regular restaurants that don't have healthy menu's. We also spend far more time isolated in our homes, on the internet, and watching TV.

    On a side note, I eat out a couple of times a week but I adapt my intake to compensate for shitty food that I might eat on occasion. I also spend 6-10 hours a week in the gym doing heavy lifting and I bicycle for 8-16 miles on the weekends. I live in the the deep south where obesity is even higher than the 'norm' for the U.S.

    I sometimes feel like a stranger in my own land given the looks I get in public at times.

  8. Re:right, before Zee Germans get there by cpghost · · Score: 3, Interesting

    However, the fundamental liberties encoded in the German Basic Law (it's not a Constitution in the US sense) have eroded substantially in the last decades, because, unlike the U.S. with is very reluctant to amend its Constitution, Germans love to modify their Grundgesetz regularly... mostly to make it worse, i.e. take one more liberty away.

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  9. Re:right, before Zee Germans get there by rcamans · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is illegal to threaten anyone in America with murder or any other form of harm. You have been reading and believing too many anti-American rags. (all rags published in Europe, for example).
    Cut down your own arrogance a few notches.

    Your government (Germany) has been maximum evil overlords more than once. Why do you have the idea that they have changed? Maybe they have learned to be less obvious about it, and not get caught?

    The American gov sucks big time, and will abuse any power that they can get their hands on, legally or illegally.
    Your gov is the same.

    The only difference is the morals and ethics of the people currently in the gov with access to these powers.
    American gov employees are low on the morals scale.
    I am sure Germans are similar. I think there is something about working for the gov, and military, that reduces morals, and attracts people with low morals, like our Bill Clinton, and a recent top gov official in Germany?

    Comparing bad to bad just wastes time and energy. They are all bad. Get over it. Stop crowing that your bad gov is not as bad as ours.

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