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North Korea Looking For Friends On Facebook

crimeandpunishment writes "North Korea has apparently decided this social networking thing is worth doing. Just days after launching Twitter and YouTube accounts, it appears to have added Facebook to the list. It probably won't get too many friends in South Korea, which has already blocked access to the North Korean Twitter account for containing 'illegal information' under its security laws...and says the Facebook page could suffer the same fate."

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  1. North Korea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...is Best Korea.

    1. Re:North Korea... by Suki+I · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot the AWESOME visual! (Safe for work outside of the Koreas)

  2. Re:Rather stupid... by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    no different than most other face book users .. Except replace 'national identity' with 'personal identity' and 'governments hostile' with '3rd party organisation that has agendas other than making it easy for you to post pics of fluffy bunnies and Like This'

  3. Zynga by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Kim Jong-Il heard about Farmville and thought that sounded fun-.

    1. Re:Zynga by Suki+I · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Kim Jong-Il heard about Farmville and thought that sounded fun-.

      Really? I heard he was going to use it to better train his farmers.

      You can virtually feed a nation with a Farmville farm. Another high point, the traffic girls have a place to vent too.

    2. Re:Zynga by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Kim Jong-Il heard about Farmville and thought that sounded fun

      Mr Kim, or as he prefers to be called "the dear leader", doesn't need Facebook to play games with farming or people's lives. He has control over millions of real people, all of whom can be forced to participate in whatever macabre social experiment he chooses to conduct, except that here in the real world there are no saves, no continues and you get only 1 life. The continued existence of the North Korean Worker's Party and the monstrous state that it has produced is one of the greatest ongoing travesties of social justice in our time. It is hard to imagine any other place on earth where the ordinary citizen is worse off than in North Korea. At least in Somalia and Sudan the people have some inkling of what the outside world is like and whether or not they are being lied to. The people of North Korea, on the other hand, have been so thoroughly brainwashed and controlled that the outside world essentially does not exist for them or at least not in any way that is meaningful. Even Cuba is practically a paradise by way of comparison to North Korea. Mr Kim and his father are disgraces to the entire human race, in the same league as Hitler and Stalin before them, and history will forever damn their names, just as surely as Hitler and Stalin are damned, when Korea is eventually re-united under a freely elected and democratic government of by and for the people of Korea. In the meantime the rest of the free world should do whatever it can to hasten that day.

    3. Re:Zynga by lwsimon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Re-uniting Korea is going to be a nightmare. The South's infrastructure cannot handle the hordes of starving people form the North, and those people will never, ever be able to live productive lives in a free society - they simply don't know how.

      Reunification will cause an immediate economic collapse like the world has seldom seen, followed by at least one generation of chaos as the brainwashed masses slowly die off from old age.

      Of course, it needs to be done - but it is going to *suck*.

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    4. Re:Zynga by Per+Wigren · · Score: 3, Insightful

      [North Korean] people will never, ever be able to live productive lives in a free society - they simply don't know how.

      Most East Germans managed to adapt pretty well after the reunification, although North Korea is probably a bit worse than the GDR was. I don't think that Koreans are THAT much different from Germans. But yeah, it isn't going to be easy.

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    5. Re:Zynga by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As another poster pointed out, "a bit worse" is an understatement. East Germany was much better off relative to West than North Korea is to South. Here's a post I made about this on another forum:

      In the long run, sure. But even if DPRK were to collapse tomorrow, it's just not feasible for the two countries to fully reunite within several decades, at least. The comparison to West/East germany was already made, but maybe some numbers will make the scale of the problem sink in better. Raising the taxes in the south by a few percent isn't going to do it.

      Population
      East Germany: 16m
      West Germany: 63m
      3.9x higher population
      GDP per capita (couldn't find the raw numbers)
      West Germany has ~2.5x GDP

      Population
      North 24m
      South 48m
      2x higher population
      GDP per capita
      North 555
      South 19,300
      South is 35x higher. Thirty five times!

      From a pure humanistic point of view it would probably be better if the united Koreas were together but half as rich as the South used to be than for both to continue as-is, but I don't see that happening. There were twice as many West Germans for every East German as there are South Koreans to North Koreans, and the productivity and education was also much closer. The huge disparity in Koreas means that southerners could just adopt a northerner with their disposable income, but actually bringing them up to a comparable level would be a mind-boggling task.

      To be honest, I don't know what could be the other option. If it collapsed on its own without our involvement, the best bet would probably to leave them be and hope somebody more moderate gets into power and then slowly open up the trade and travel until the country reaches parity. If, on the other hand, there was an armed conflict and we (as in, everybody who isn't DPRK) rolled in to Pyongyang, my guess would be to install a puppet government and have them implement reforms while we pump in aid (insert your favorite development path), again, until there isn't such a huge difference. The population question would probably be the most difficult -- do we restrict travel, only let people into the north, allow working or student visas?

  4. no points by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As much as I disagree with just about everything NK stands for, South Korea isn't winning an points in my book by blocking access.

    note: before any westerners point out that blocking access will only spike curiosity and make those in SK more interested it the account, I would like to point out that Korean culture values authority far more than ours, and from my own experience living there, the children in south Korea had little to no interest in the North.

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    1. Re:no points by hedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except that this isn't like Germany or even Iraq, in both those cases there was still a considerable amount of shared culture. Even if the East Germans had become so accustomed to getting the same reward for busting their asses as for sitting on their asses, there was still a considerable amount of shared culture and language to reunite to.

      Unfortunately in this case, there's been very, very little mixing of the nations people in the last 50 or so years, whereas with the Germanies there was at least minimal mixing over a nearly 30 year period of time that the Berlin Wall stood. Most likely the best we could hope for in the near term would be fore Kim Jong Il and his cronies to be ousted or otherwise leave power and for a period of time where there was at least some modest mixing of the people. As it stands now there's more in common, by far, between the Americans and Canadians, or the various groups withing China and India than there is between the Koreas.

    2. Re:no points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Points taken, but the two Koreans are also much more alike than the Germans or Iraqis in other regards. Ever since the Silla dynasty unified Korea in 676, the Korean peninsula (or at least a big portion of it) was under a common ruler until 1945. There are no isolated minority culture, no minority languages, no nothing. It's just a big swath of Koreans from the Yalu River to the island of Jeju.

      Contrast that with the Germans, who managed to found a unified nation only in the 19th century.

      50 years of brutal oppression cannot take everything away. We still speak the same language, eat the same food, and observe the same holidays (at least some of them). The notion of shared cultural heritage runs strong in Korea, along with the feeling that it's our "destiny" to be unified again. You may say it's not sensible (there are certainly many people who feel that way), but you cannot deny that the feeling is there.

  5. north korea is best korea! by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    has most facebook friends! has most tweets!

    south korea only has glum relatives and miserly business contacts. north korea has loving adoration and sworn allegiance bonded in blood and exaltation for the perpetual people's struggle and revolutionary apparatus! like it! like it! like it!

    our great shining leader tweets 5,000 times a day with 3 million followers 24 hours a day no time for sleep! the people's struggle provides as sleep! each tweet a pearl of wisdom his grateful followers pore over for eternal wisdom in philosophy, economics, military strategy, acupuncture, home economics, and closet organization! retweet! retweet! retweet!

    the imperial aggressor america and her boot linking sycophant japan will suffer under the boot of the full force of the people's glorious tweeting and facebook friending struggle!

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  6. Re:Rather stupid... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

    no different than most other face book users ..

    It has a completely meaning when North Korea 'cancels' the account of one of its citizen.

  7. I can't wait until the first photo tagging by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

    of North Korea drinking it up with China and Cuba on a Friday night. Or better yet, people will start tagging goatse as NK.

  8. illegal information... by igotmybfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is a ridiculous concept

    1. Re:illegal information... by nanoakron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      like holocaust denial in Germany?

    2. Re:illegal information... by aBaldrich · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would be illegal misinformation.

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  9. Hmm... by trytoguess · · Score: 4, Funny

    Facebook is telling me NK's page no longer exists... thought it's twitter and youtube is still around. Also, what do people make of NK identifying itself as male, and being interested in men?

  10. Re:Rather stupid... by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Their citizens can get on the Internets?

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  11. I'd befriend them by siddesu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But then they'd get access of all my friends and activities.

    With all the kidnapping they've done in Japan, Korea and elsewhere, who knows what is the real purpose of that page.

    I'd say collecting information on potential targets is high on the list.

    / puts on the multi-ply tinfoil hat.

  12. What happens... by ghettoboy22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you un-friend Kim Jong-Il?

  13. The Accounts In Question by pgn674 · · Score: 4, Informative

    uriminzokkiri (uriminzok) on Twitter

    YouTube - uriminzokkiri's Channel

    Facebook | Uriminzokkiri

    Looks like the original Facebook "people" account they made was removed (probably by North Korea when they realized it didn't make sense to have a "people" account), and replaced with a "page" thing. I noticed the original account's username was uriminzokkiri, and the new one is uriminzokkiriLike, so maybe North Korea changed accounts primarily because they want the Like button? Lots of guessing here.

  14. Re:Hi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Parent Anonymous Coward was making a reference to a popular meme which revolved around the 2chan and 4chan communities where angry [South] Koreans were waging electronic warfare (e.g. DDOS attacks, spamming, etc.) because of anti-korean jokes that were popular at the time.

    Unfortunately, this had the opposite of the intended effect and caused a more explosive anti-korean reaction - including the use of hundreds of different custom created images where everyone wanted it to be known that "North Korea is Best Korea". It reached its peak during the anti Bieber explosion of 4chan antics where the board members successfully destroyed the Bieber world-tour campaign's Internet contest to see where he would [definitely] go on his world tour (as well as many other humiliatingly hilarious things also).

    So your horrible attempt at humor was in actuality, massive fail. Plus that originally became popular from Full Metal Jacket.. a movie that took place in Vietnam.. not Korea.

  15. Re:Rather stupid... by jonfr · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. Only the military can get to the internet, and people connected to the leader of North-Korea. Everyone else can use the North-Korea intranet that they have if that person is lucky.

    The rest has nothing but media owned by the government, that is spewing out propaganda about South-Korea, U.S and others.

    North-Korea does not have official connection with the internet.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_North_Korea

  16. Re:Rather stupid... by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "lets just put our national identity on servers owned by governments hostile to us"

    It's not like they're uploading critical information (i.e. classified materials) to facebook. The worst the US could do is to deface the page. Of course if they were going to do that then they could have already set up a fake north Korean page and filled it with lies. Of course, there's no point in doing either of these things because there's nothing to be gained. It's not like the US needs to change the public view of North Korea.

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  17. "Trading" With North Korea - Against US Law? by GumphMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is trading with the DPRK legal in the United States? If Facebook/Twitter/etc. knowingly continued to provide a service the DPRK regime would they be in violation of US law?

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  18. Re:Rather stupid... by e4g4 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I highly recommend The Vice Guide to North Korea for some insight into what their citizens can and can't do.

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  19. Re:Hi! by Securityemo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Defending yourself against senseless memetic attacks (or just trolling) online generally is very hard. The best tactic I've found is a form of social judo, where you misdirect the attackers attention/distort the meme to something that isn't relevant to you, or makes them identify with you and anulling the dehumanizing effect of the internet - either be as unreal or real as possible. The most direct example would be a pre-prepared sockpuppet personality/mask with false weaknesses, but that obviously isn't applicable here. If you where a group of nationalists trying to stem a meme/raid like that, you'd basically either need to make the flow point at something(s) about your national character that isn't important, or make the attackers (honestly) identify and sympathise with aspects of your culture. Since we are talking about young males who like to think they are clever here, acts of war and political guile spiced up with true accounts of misery would probably do; if you can't hide your weaknesses you must bluntly admit to them. Think "getting respect from boys with daddy issues". "Attacking in force" is only doable if you can do something (harsh) to them IRL that would make them snap out of it .
    All such machinations must be done indirectly, like it was all a big joke that you just made funnier or more clever, or it's a "forced meme." Also, truly horrible memes and information (like jokes about children and napalm) are repeated not because it's funny but because it's horrible, as a way to draw attention to them; the laughter is that of hysteria. This, and the fact that the hysteria often is completely juvenile and immature is probably the sole source for people mistaking behaviour like this for some sort of utter evil, when in reality it's just schoolyard shit-talking sped up 10x. Now, people like this are often mixed up with people who actually have a coherent point about the issues - but they are easily recognized, not being, as you so well describe it, senseless.

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