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Lexmark Sues 24 Companies Over Toner-Cartridge Patents

eldavojohn writes "Remember back in 2003, when Lexmark tried to use the DMCA to stop aftermarket toner cartridges from being produced? Well, they're now suing 24 companies for infringing on 15 patents they have on toner cartridges. The article also notes that Lexmark has been filing lawsuits over patent infringement on formulas for their inks."

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  1. Lexmark on Linux by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 5, Funny

    I called their tech support after trying to get one of their printers to work on Linux. This was before I found out that they use a non-standard and proprietary way to communicate between computer and printer.

    The tech asks me if I'm using Windows XP or Vista. I say I'm using Linux. He's says "Windows Linux?" "No, just Linux." "Oh, okay, Windows 98." From there he proceeded to give me help based off the idea that I was running Microsoft Windows 98 Linux Edition.

    1. Re:Lexmark on Linux by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or, if you're Linus Torvalds, Windows Me.

  2. Re:Lexmark still sells printers? by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, Lexmark still sells printers and yes, their printers still cost less than their ink cartridges. And yes, their drivers are as crappy as ever.

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  3. Same problem as software: compatibilty by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I usually ignore stories about hardware patents, but this one highlights a problem that exists in software patents: interoperability is essential.

    Microsoft can develop a wonky filesystem (FAT), and use their market power to force it on everyone. When they finally realise that 8-letter filenames is a broken idea, they add a fix, patent the fix, and sue people who use the fix.

    That fix isn't patentable because it's valuable, it's simply valuable because it's patented. It's an arbitrary idea, not necessarily better than any other solution (of avoiding the problem in the first place!), but it becomes a must-have because it's the idea Microsoft chose to implement.

    Same with Word. Microsoft patents a few features in their file format and they're essential. You develop your own file format and patent some features, and they just get avoided by Micrsoft and nobody cares about your patents. How good your patents are, or how they compare to Microsoft's patents, is of no consequence.

    And so it is with Lexmark. They make cartridges in a certain way. Might be good, might be wonky. You can patent a better idea, but it's useless because you're not looking for "best", you're looking for "compatible".

    swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help with developing these arguments is very welcome.

  4. Re:Formulas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think you are correct. See below exert:

    How do I protect my recipe?
    A mere listing of ingredients is not protected under copyright law. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a collection of recipes as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection. Note that if you have secret ingredients to a recipe that you do not wish to be revealed, you should not submit your recipe for registration, because applications and deposit copies are public records. See FL 122, Recipes.

    Source: U.S. Copyright office

  5. Re:Formulas? by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What amazes me more is that you can patent the business model of making incredibly shitty, slapshod products with pickup rollers that invariably break by the 250th page.

    Next they'll have a business model patent on convincing companies like Dell to throw their reputation down the toilet by rebranding the aforementioned shitty products and selling them with their own brand name slapped on.

  6. Re:Complete the limerick ... by digitig · · Score: 5, Funny

    There once was a seller of toner
    Who said to a purchasing moaner
    "If you like it or not
    This lock-in we've got
    Will give all the lawyers a boner."

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  7. New Title: 24 Reasons Not To Buy A Lexmark by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, that's what it boils down to.

    Can't beat the competition - sue them. What this tells me is that Lexmark doesn't have a good enough value proposition on their replacement toners. If they offered even close to equal value to the knockoffs, or the knockoffs had a bad rep for damaging people's printers, there wouldn't be a problem.