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MIT Unveils Oil-Skimming Robot Swarm Prototype

destinyland writes "Today MIT reveals a swarm of autonomous floating robots that can digest an oil spill. The 16-foot robots drag a nanowire mesh that acts like a conveyor belt to soak up surface oil 'like paper towels soak up water,' absorbing 20 times its weight and then harmlessly 'digesting' the oil by burning it off. Powered by 21.5 square feet of solar panels, the 'Seaswarm' robots run on the power of a lightbulb, and with just 100 watts 'could potentially clean continuously for weeks' without human intervention, MIT announced. The swarm uses GPS data and communicates wirelessly to move as a coordinated group to 'corral, absorb and process' oil spills, and MIT researchers estimate that a fleet of 5,000 could clean up a gulf-sized spill within one month."

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  1. Yeah! by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Burning oil is well known for being harmless!

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    1. Re:Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And burned oil is well known for being far more dangerous than crude oil.

    2. Re:Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had watched the video in the article, you would know that they aren't actually combusting any oil. As far as the video showed, heating the nanofiber material releases the stored oil, which means reclamation I'm understanding correctly, and that's actually pretty cool.

    3. Re:Yeah! by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Interesting
      FTFA: http://web.mit.edu/press/2010/seaswarm.html

      By heating up the material, the oil can be removed and burnt locally and the nanofabric can be reused.

      Notice the URL - it's MIT saying this, not someone mis-quoting them.

      Also, good luck with that during hurricane season.

      Additionally, bad math alert. To clean up 5 million barrels in 30 days with 5,000 units, each unit would have to pick up 33 barrels a day. 16'x7'= 112 square feet. A barrel is 42 gallons, and there are 7.5 gallons in a cubic foot. So, 33 barrels is 1,385 gallons, or 184.5 cubic feet. Your skimmer will be towing a chunk of oil-soaked nanofibres half a yard thick - you're not going to be making much headway dragging that with only 100 watts (1/8 horsepower).

      It might start out okay, but as you collect oil, it will get worse, so take that 1 month and make it a year.

    4. Re:Yeah! by fyoder · · Score: 1

      From the article:
      "By heating up the material, the oil can be removed and burnt locally and the nanofabric can be reused."

      That's not entirely clear and the video doesn't add anything regarding delivery of captured oil to a 'local' repository for disposal. It looks like they're glossing over this part.

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    5. Re:Yeah! by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What, is this a global-warming remark? All that oil was destined for burning anyway. It's doing a hell of a lot less harm being burnt than it is choking off marine life.

      But nuance is dead in the climate-change "debate"; go figure.

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    6. Re:Yeah! by aGuyNamedJoe · · Score: 1

      Also, it seems unlikely the 100W skimmer is going to be doing much burning itself. So I presume it has to deliver the skimmed oil to some other location -- which takes time and power as well.

    7. Re:Yeah! by cynyr · · Score: 1

      1) it's a prototype, if you have a 50% cleanup duty cycle, you'll need 10k units not 5k.
      2) If you notice it doesn't drag the nano fibers, it uses a conveyor belt of them to move. By ensuring that the belt if hard to move in one direction, and easy to move in the other, should should be able to crawl your way forward.
      3) True, there seems to be some dubious math, but are you saying that is a reason to not let them test it out? hmm seems like the worse that could happen at this point is they flounder around in the oil, o be rescued by the observation boat.

      The thing i'm curious about, is how one turns one of those. It's not like they move fast and could use some sort of rudder...

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    8. Re:Yeah! by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      Last I checked burning oil didn't require energy.

    9. Re:Yeah! by Icculus · · Score: 1

      Well the how of the burning is significant. Think of the smoke produced burning oil in a Diesel engine des vs lighting a pan of it on fire in your garage. The combustion could be just slightly bad instead of extra bad. Otherwise, agreed. Better to turn it into smoke and CO2 than kill the sea critters.

    10. Re:Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All that oil was destined for burning anyway.

      Sure, as gasoline in someone's car, or as heating oil in someone's home, etc. This just means that even more oil is being burned, because those late-for-work drivers and those freezing-cold homeowners are still going to be burning gas or heating oil.

    11. Re:Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as i can tell, they aren't claiming it would work during hurricane season

      Additionally, bad math alert. The article doesn't say they could clean up the gulf oil spill in 30 days. What it says is that a team of 5000 could clean an area the SIZE of the gulf spill in 30 days. See the difference?

    12. Re:Yeah! by aGuyNamedJoe · · Score: 1

      Did you ever try to light it? Once it's going good, it's exothermic, no doubt. But spontaneous combustion while floating on water isn't as common as you might think.

    13. Re:Yeah! by xedd · · Score: 0

      I bet waves from a good-size storm would capsize or damage those things easily. Needs some redesign, IMHO.

      Nice idea, though!

    14. Re:Yeah! by tomhudson · · Score: 0
      They (MIT) state in their video a spill of 5,000,000 barrels. I'm using MIT's own figures. So no, the only bad math is theirs, not mine. Just like they think that it would be easy to heat the collected crude to the point of combustion. It's not, and they only have 100 watts (300 btu) to play with. You can't even light up a puddle of refined #2 diesel by throwing a lit match on it. How much worse a waterlogged mat? All you'll do is liquify a small area, which will then flow, and dissipate the heat.

      If it would burn on its own, there wouldn't have been a problem - the entire gulf would have burned off instead of spreading in a widening slick.

    15. Re:Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea and if they are burning the oil, they might as well use that to move these robots around. Why bother with additional solar panel and a meager 100w motor?

    16. Re:Yeah! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      It was bound to happen anyway. Better than having it in the ocean.

      Only problem I assume is that the oil isn't at the surface.

      Well, that and they don't have 5000 robots, and I don't see how they would "catch 'em all"(it).

    17. Re:Yeah! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Ok, so what you are saying that instead of nuking the well now we should nuke the whole gulf? :D

    18. Re:Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their wording has you a bit confused I believe. They don't mean that 5000 robots can clean up 5 million barrels in 30 days. They mean that 5000 robots can clean up the surface oil of a 5 million barrel spill in 30 days. There is a HUGE difference.

    19. Re:Yeah! by tomhudson · · Score: 1, Informative
      Here's the actual text from MIT:

      MIT researchers estimate that a fleet of 5,000 Seaswarm robots would be able to clean a spill the size of the gulf in one month

      Not "the surface".

      The video also makes the claim - that 5,000 could clean up a 5,000,000 barrel spill in one month. Not "the surface" of a 5,000,000 barrel spill.

      Stop getting your information from other mis-informed comments - read the mis-informed MIT article instead :-p

    20. Re:Yeah! by budgenator · · Score: 1

      They (MIT) state in their video a spill of 5,000,000 barrels. I'm using MIT's own figures. So no, the only bad math is theirs, not mine. Just like they think that it would be easy to heat the collected crude to the point of combustion. It's not, and they only have 100 watts (300 btu) to play with. You can't even light up a puddle of refined #2 diesel by throwing a lit match on it. How much worse a waterlogged mat? All you'll do is liquify a small area, which will then flow, and dissipate the heat.

      If it would burn on its own, there wouldn't have been a problem - the entire gulf would have burned off instead of spreading in a widening slick.

      FTA

      The Seaswarm robot uses a conveyor belt covered with a thin nanowire mesh to absorb oil. The fabric, developed by MIT Visiting Associate Professor Francesco Stellacci, and previously featured in a paper published in the journal Nature Nanotechnology, can absorb up to twenty times its own weight in oil while repelling water. By heating up the material, the oil can be removed and burnt locally and the nanofabric can be reused.

        I'm assuming burnt locally isn't necessarily the same as burnt onboard, and also note the absorbent wire repells water so it will only pick up oil. Heating the nanonwire absorbent may not be that energy demanding either, a laser can heat things quite efficiently especially if your need is for a higher temperature for a short time, lots of degrees but not many calories. I'd like to see a number of things operating in the real world to prove the concept.

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    21. Re:Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is missing here are rates. What is the rate of collection? What is the rate of burn off from the fabric?

      FTA "By heating up the material, the oil can be removed and burnt locally and the nanofabric can be reused."

      If the material is being heated to burn the oil, can it also be capturing or is this a 2 stage process. Does it have to float around absorbing oil to a certain threshold and then stop, burn off collected oil?

      I agree with others that using the oil as a fuel source adds complexity and weight. The solar/battery solution for propulsion and ignition is good.

    22. Re:Yeah! by Dr+Max · · Score: 1
      I believe the oil is heated up and burnt off the mesh on board the skimmer. So they don't need to tow the 33 barrels or have a nanofibre net that big. It would also allow it to run for a longer time unattended. .

      Also you would think 21.5 square feet of solar panels would generate more than a 100 watts, even if your saving power for night time running. .

      its a pity they cant generate some power from the oil burning to power the craft, or maybe its capturing a lot of the heat energy which is why the heating bill is so low.

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    23. Re:Yeah! by aGuyNamedJoe · · Score: 1

      And while most of the socks in the drawer are red, that one is blue!

      What? Are we into non-sequitur foo? ;D

    24. Re:Yeah! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Why would we want to burn the oil, when we could use it for our cars, especially when the OIL industry tried to make us believe there was a shortage starting...we could use this oil from the spill to actually help us instead of aimlessly burning it up! I prefer Kevin Costner's centrifugal machine where it splits the oil from the water and then can be processed further later on....I think we could figure a way out to build a fleet of these and not only be able to use them to filter out oil from water, but many other contaminants....such as the plastic particle reef in the pacific.

    25. Re:Yeah! by afidel · · Score: 1

      No, that's 2m^2 so ~10KWhrs or solar insolation at 0 degrees tilt in the gulf of mexico on average, take an "average" solar panel at 15% efficiency and you get 1.5KWhrs devide by 24 hours and you get 62.5W so they must be assuming ~24% efficient cells which are fairly expensive. An interesting approach would be to use microbes to break the crud into gasses and feed the gasses into fuel cell, more efficient but probably not as fast =)

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    26. Re:Yeah! by anguirus.x · · Score: 1

      Do you really need to make much headway when you're soaking the oil up?

    27. Re:Yeah! by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      The oil isn't sitting there in foot-thick icebergs - otherwise they could just throw a hook on it and tow it to shore. I guess you missed all those pictures of the red oily foam.

  2. Okay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what about a swarm of autonomous floating robots that can digest a swarm of smaller autonomous floating robots that can digest an oil spill

  3. "clean up a gulf-sized spill within one month." by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Informative

    sure, maybe, if you exclude all the sub-surface oil. And there's a lot of subsurface oil.

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  4. Who's gonna pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I don't see BP investing in alternative ways to clean their own mess up. We'll see what they do with these robots.

    1. Re:Who's gonna pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't see it because you're not looking, asshat.

  5. burn where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm confused to how/where those small robots will burn off the collected oil. And I'm wondering whether, if they burn it off in/at the robot, whether the generated heat can't be used as an extra power source.

  6. That's a lot of oil to burn by TheLink · · Score: 1

    Isn't that a lot of oil to burn? If we don't actually mind burning oil you could power the robots with some/all of the oil they collect instead of using solar power.

    Next thing you need is an electronic sensor that can smell and taste oil in the air and water. Then working as a swarm they can find oil spills, move to them autonomously and consume them.

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    1. Re:That's a lot of oil to burn by vadim_t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Solar is much simpler. You just need a panel and a battery.

      Burning oil is more complicated. You need an engine that can burn crude mixed with whatever it mixes with in the water (some rugged diesel engine maybe?), a pump, a tank to have the ability to move through clean water, an electric generator to power the circuitry, a battery as well (for starting the motor for instance). It's going to be heavy and complicated, more prone to failure, and harder to keep afloat. And definitely more expensive. And it'll still need to burn oil anyway, because it must collect more than it needs for itself (otherwise it wouldn't go anywhere), but that means the tank will become full at some point.

    2. Re:That's a lot of oil to burn by Dr+Max · · Score: 1
      solar is nice and simple, if it wasn't for night time it would be perfect.

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      I don't think you could get a very good explosion out of the crude oil, but it should burn hot enough to heat and turn a steam turbine. It has plenty of water when its in the ocean. it doesn't have to burn very hot. there aren't many moving parts. it makes sense to use the oils energy if your burning it anyway, but it wont always be on top of oil.

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    3. Re:That's a lot of oil to burn by TheLink · · Score: 1

      > Burning oil is more complicated.

      How so? MIT have allegedly already figured out how to collect oil to burn it.

      You could use a Stirling or Ericsson cycle engine or others. The heat sink is the ocean.

      They claim to only need 100 watts of electrical power, and they're willing to have 2 square metres of PV panels.

      There's about 37 megajoules of energy in one litre of crude oil. Assuming your engine has a 10% efficiency from oil to electricity, you need to burn 0.027 millilitres per second. 0.027 millilitres per second for one month is only 71 litres.

      If you assume a 5% efficiency, double that figure. The robot needs to gather 142 litres per month just to power itself. If their robot can't gather more than 142 litres of oil in one month I think they might as well forget it - the amount of oil spilled in the recent gulf spill is in the order of millions of litres.

      They said they only need 5000 robots to clean the spill up in one month, so I assume they are doing magnitudes better than 142 litres per month.

      BP's initial estimate of the spill rate was 5000 barrels (795000 litres) leaked per day. Later that went up to 30000 barrels per day (more than 4 million litres per day).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill#Volume_and_extent_of_oil_spill

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  7. Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A couple days after they are released, I'll finally have my Tricycletops.

    1. Re:Awesome by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      You'll need to get trilobots first.

  8. Re:F?AILZORS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like an engineered subliminal message. Is it? If so, fuck you scum.

  9. OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, each unit sops up some oil, using "nanowires". Then what? The oil then has to be transferred to some collection boat. That part isn't implemented.

    A fleet of semi-autonomous skimmers that deliver oil to a collection ship or a shore station would be useful. Operations like that are risky for small boats, as are operations near shore, near rocks and reefs, and such. So it's a good robot application.

    The "nanowires" just sound like the usual hype from MIT's PR operation (which has gotten out of hand enough to be an embarrassment for MIT.)

    1. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by hipp5 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Then what? The oil then has to be transferred to some collection boat. That part isn't implemented.

      The way I read it was that each bot disposed of the oil by burning it on-site. No need for central collection.

    2. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The math doesn't work. 16'x7' is 112 square feet. 33 barrels of oil (which is how much would have to be removed each day by a fleet of 5,000 skimmers) covers that to half a meter thick, and weights 4 tons. You won't be going very fast towing that with a 1/8 hp (100 watt) motor.

      So, skip the self-propelled aspect, just attach floaters to the absorbent, toss them in the sea, pick them up, pass them through a wringer to squeeze out the oil instead of heating it, rea-attach the floaters and toss them back in.

    3. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by slick7 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Why bother? According to BP the oil is gone and everything is hunkey dorey.

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    4. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

      As a few other people have pointed out, the idea is that each robot burns the oil as it collects it, it doesn't tow it around. Whether or not that is feasible is still up in the air, but your math is irrelevant as far as their design concept is concerned.

    5. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by hey! · · Score: 1

      The "nanowires" just sound like the usual hype from MIT's PR operation (which has gotten out of hand enough to be an embarrassment for MIT.)

      *sigh*. I wish that I was back up in the 'Tech on Boylston Street...

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    6. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Oh great, just what we needed. Pyromaniac robots.

    7. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Right. So the key here is downward scalability. In the proposed system concept, the oil/water separation process doesn't take energy input. You only have to put energy into the process when you've collected enough oil to make it worthwhile to bootstrap a process whereby you burn the oil you recover to power further separation.

      The alternative would be to build somewhat larger robots that had some kind of centrifuge separator. That'd work too, but only if you could drop the robot right on a nice thick oil slick. Otherwise you'd have to tanker the water/oil emulsion until you had enough oil to get net energy yield from running the centrifuges. That still might be a worthwhile system to build, but it would be operated differently. You might air drop the system onto a known oil slick, rather than waiting for large specialized recovery vessels to be moved to the site. It wouldn't work in an oil spill that was so vast you didn't know where most of it was.

      Of course, the first thing we should do is fix the incompetence and unconscionable negligence that led to the DWH spill and *killed eleven men*. We're talking belt and suspenders *but we have no pants*.

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    8. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      And I would suggest you get some facts - yo can't just burn waterlogged crude oil by putting a match to it, any more than you can burn a puddle of diesel fuel by throwing a lit match on it.

      So forget the idea of burning it on site - even if you divert ALL the energy to heating the mat, 100 watts won't do it - that's 300 btus. Nowhere near enough to get ignition started. The heat will just be conducted away as the crude turns to semi-liquid state before re-congealing.

      The design doesn't work.

    9. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

      I never said burning it on site would or wouldn't work, I just pointed out that that is what their design calls for. Towing it somewhere else was never part of the design and therefore whether or not it can do that is irrelevant.

    10. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by shawb · · Score: 1

      The article says the oil will be burned locally... basically all these robots would keep bringing oil to a collection point where it is removed by heating the fabric, and then burned by traditional means. I assume at this point the collection point will be a larger ship of some sort where it would be feasible to use the heat from burning the oil to remove oil from other skimmers. The numbers they used don't say that each skimmer would carry 33 barrels of oil at a time; what is realistically meant is that each robot can sop up oil at a rate that after a month of operation it would have collected 33 barrels. On a rough estimate, that works out to about 4 gallons an hour. That sound reasonable, and of course probably assumes constant running in conditions of maximum efficiency and ignores time losses in going out to heavier patches of oil and returning it to the collection points.

      This basically sounds like an advanced form of the skimmers currently being used. Rather than one large net that has to be dragged in, the "net" is made of several small robotic boats which carry the oil back to the boat for processing. Whether that oil is burned or stored would depend more on the ships used than the robot. But that's really not important to the students prototyping this robot... that's more for when the whole system is being implemented. This skimmer is just a proof of concept that would allow other people to move on with the other parts.

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    11. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by tomhudson · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, it's 33 barrels a day to arrive at the 5,000 robots can clean up 5,000,000 barrels in one month. Do the math. It's not hard - unless you're an MIT "scientist".

      Otherwise, each robot would have to collect 1,000 barrels at one time. That would represent a layer 45 feet high on their 16'x7' fabric. Do you really believe that a 1/8 hp electric motor could tow that much?

      Their math sucks. Their thinking does too,

    12. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waterlogged? Did you miss the part about the breakthrough material that absorbs oil but not water? Also igniting oil doesn't require power, just a spark.

    13. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Exactly my point. They cannot burn the oil, that would not work and damage the fabric. The video says you "heat up" the fabric and it releases the oil. So what is missing from the video is an expensive, energy hungry tender that these things have to go back to whenever they have soaked up the, maybe, half barrel they can hold.

      Suddenly this does not look too good anymore. It certainly does not look fast and "autonomous" goes right out the window with the tender.

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    14. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Waterlogged? Did you miss the part about the breakthrough material that absorbs oil but not water? Also igniting oil doesn't require power, just a spark.

      Did you miss all those videos of the red oil foam? As well as the fact that there's still going to be mechanical mixing of the two?

      Also, you can't even light refined diesel fuel with a spark. Make a puddle of diesel on the ground and throw a lit match on it. The match will go out. Room-temperature crude is a lot harder to burn than refined diesel.

    15. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by oldhack · · Score: 1

      You stick around slashdot, you'd think MIT is this giantic grant-sucking corporation.

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    16. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The person you're yelling at is an idiot, but so are you. I light refined diesel oil every day with a spark. It's a pretty hot spark, and it's atomized, but it's most certainly lighting. Otherwise my CFM-56's would get me to work. If the magic material works as advertised, which is plausible, it will absorb the oil out of the oil/water mixture. Further, there are catalysts which help burn heavier oils onboard. This thing might be possible, but I suspect the cost will be prohibitive.

    17. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by dominious · · Score: 1

      Then what? The oil then has to be transferred to some collection boat. That part isn't implemented.

      FTFA:

      The fabric, developed by MIT Visiting Associate Professor Francesco Stellacci, and previously featured in a paper published in the journal Nature Nanotechnology, can absorb up to twenty times its own weight in oil while repelling water. By heating up the material, the oil can be removed and burnt locally and the nanofabric can be reused.

      Yeah, we need someone to point out "FTFA" replies on /.

    18. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Exactly my point. They cannot burn the oil, that would not work and damage the fabric. The video says you "heat up" the fabric and it releases the oil. So what is missing from the video is an expensive, energy hungry tender that these things have to go back to whenever they have soaked up the, maybe, half barrel they can hold.

      Once the oil is released from the fabric, then you burn it. They don't need to hold the oil.

    19. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which part of "burn" didn't you understand. Also, the word you want is "weighs", and just in case, "heighth" and "weighth" are not words.

    20. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      They do need to hold the oil until they get back to the tender Ship and it is removed there. Burning the oil directly destroys the collector fabric.

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    21. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by khallow · · Score: 1

      They do need to hold the oil until they get back to the tender Ship and it is removed there. Burning the oil directly destroys the collector fabric.

      They plan to remove the oil from the fabric first, then burn it. Since the oil is no longer in contact with the fabric, the fabric won't be harmed.

    22. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      The robot moves around on the skimmer and not the other way around? Moving the robot is probably much easier =P

    23. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      If it has already started burning then?

      Because I can't see how anyone can claim how much energy 100 watts is.

      What if it got enough solar cells to produce 100 watts for 24 hours before using the stored energy within 0.2 seconds to ignite the oil?

    24. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      And which part of "It isn't that easy to burn" don't yu get?

      Why isn't the gulf a sea of flames? Because you can't just toss a match on crude and expect it to burn - you need enough heat to vaporize a portion of the oil - your 100 watt PV array isn't going to give you enough energy to start a fire - all that will happen is that you'll liquify a small (very small) portion, which will then flow away, conducting the heat with it.

      Try this - take a puddle of diesel fuel (a LOT easier to burn than crude) and throw a match on it. It'll put out the match.

      Crude is a LOT harder to burn than diesel.

      So this idea is dumb.

    25. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Let me guess - you're in the southern US or a similar warm climate, where they only sell #1 diesel. #2 diesel (also sold as home heating oil - its the same thing, which is why they add dye to diesel sold at the pumps) will put out the match every time. Crude oil is a LOT harder to light. You need a blowtorch. A spark just won't do it. It's like trying to set a cold lump of tar on fire with a spark.

    26. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      It's not "oil" - its more like tar. It's only self-sustaining under certain conditions - like you need to be able to enclose it with a chimney-like chamber so that the heat of combustion isn't dissipated too quickly, but heats up the rest of the lump. Otherwise you get very incomplete combustion, your mat turns into a lump of asphalt-like glop, and you need to incinerate it to get the tar out. Look at how the ships that burn it off are set up.

    27. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      power can be had, something like the SEADOG or the OPT would work well near shore, booms could channel any oil to the centrifuge for processing on a cheap semi-permanent basis. Something like the Pelamis WEC looks like it wound be towable and able to power processing on the open sea.

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    28. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever. The thing is setting crude oil on fire takes a fixed amount of energy, and once the fire is started you can burn an arbitrary amount of oil after that (just think of the well fires in Iraq).

      In your post 2 levels up you argued that burning oil required continuous electrical power (and more than 100W), which doesn't make sense.

    29. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      I'm not understanding why the Hive-ship tender has to be "Energy Hungry" it just follows the swarm. When a worker skim-bot is full it just returns to the hive,
        1. climbs the ramp and dumps it's oil into a tank,
        2. does diagnostics and reports for repairs if necessary,
        3. gets any batteries or fuel tanks topped off,
        4. enter the queue for redeployment.
      The hive ship is getting dry oil that's not even that crude anymore, the heavy residuals sank all ready and the volatiles evaporated all ready so what's coming up is somewhere between bunker fuel and karosene, so fueling the hive shouldn't be insurmountable.

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    30. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Bu the whole implementation of removing the oil is missing and will not nearly be as easy or "cool" as suggested.

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    31. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by khallow · · Score: 1

      My take is that they'll probably heat up the fabric (since my impression was that the fabric is less absorbent at higher temperature) and wring it.

    32. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      Hell, a full five gallon bucket of gasoline is hard to set on fire if you throw matches into it. Now if the fumes catch though, not so pretty.

    33. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      Hmm, try some of that sludge they burn in big boilers and such. It has to be preheated using an oil or gas burner to get liquid enough to catch on fire. And using a pump and atomizer to light #2 fuel oil is a little sketchy. Oil furnaces (residential) use a 100lbs per square inch pressure along with an atomizer and roughly 50-100k volt sparks from a transformer about the size of two adult fists, powered by a 110v AC current. And forced air to add enough oxygen. The flame is usually about 10-12" long and shaped roughly like a cone(although there are several different patterns according to manufacturer, such as hollow, semi-hollow, round, etc). Oil furnaces, while they work well, are not what you would call efficient for running a car or small robot skimmer. Maybe if they were steam powered and the oil burner was powering the boiler. But still, heavy and does not play well with sea water.

    34. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      No, what I said is that you have to have a large enough heat source to not only heat a sufficient quantity up, but maintain the temperature for long enough for it to actually burn. Think of laser pulses used for hair removal. They certainly are intense, but because they're of such short duration, you couldn't set anything on fire if you wanted to. Tar is hard to start burning - the usual way in industrial accidents is with an oxy-acetylene torch. But you can safely play that torch over the surface and the tar won't catch. You need to keep it there for a few seconds.

      Solids don't burn. Liquids don't burn. You need to have sufficient heat to volatize enough to not only burn, but be self-sustaining (think of trying to light a birthday candle - even when lit, some of them go out and you have to do it again). So unless your heat source is large enough, long enough duration, and hot enough, you won't burn anything - it'll just liquify and flow away - carrying the heat with it and stopping any possibility of a fire.

    35. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did someone just say PyRobots? I smell a sitcom!

    36. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Try heating a nanowire with a high enough voltage, it will get pretty damn hot, now have that in contact with a couple atoms thick layer of crude and you now have combusted crude. These kids are from MIT, they are most likely MUCH smarter than you, if they say their prototype works, it probably does =)

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    37. Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      now have that in contact with a couple atoms thick layer of crude and you now have combusted crude.

      No, you don't. The surface area of the atoms in question respective to the enclosed volume and their mean free path before coming into contact with another atom guarantees that the "fire" is quenched immediately. It never even gets statted, You oxidize a few particles, that's all.

      These kids are from MIT, they are most likely MUCH smarter than you,

      I seriously doubt it. BTW, only 65% of MIT graduate students have had sex. Obviously either MIT attracts people who are butt-ugly and lack soft skills, or there's a severe shortage of beer (it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to open a bottle).

  10. Vaporware? by ze_foster · · Score: 1

    Sounds like an advertisement for the next generation of vaporware projects. So what's its carbon footprint?

  11. Yet Another Unlikely Invention Saves The World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, if nothing else the Gulf spill has bought out the inventors/crazies. Since BP's Deep Horizon oil rig accident and subsequent spill, everybody and their redneck brother in law has come out of the woodwork with the silver bullet fix. Every bizarre and off the wall idea has been proposed as THE solution. From human hair to straw mats, from tankers turn skimmers to mutant man made microbes. Now, even MIT wants in on the madness.

    The irony of it all seems to be that after all the berating of BP's efforts, it seems that good old chemical dispersants, combined with natural factors like evaporation, microbial consumption, and wave action, has already turned the largest oil spill in U.S. history into a thing of the past. There is no need for oil skimming robot swarms.

  12. I do not follow the calculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    5000000 barrels and 5000 robots, that gives 1000 barrels for each robot and month??
    so in one day one single robot will take up approx 30 barrels: that is more than one barrel per hour
    day and night?
    Seems to me as some MIT miscalculation or am I missing something?

  13. Wow! by ironnation · · Score: 5, Funny

    SeaWow holds twenty times its weight in liquid, doesn't drip, doesn't make a mess, you burn it off. Made by MIT, you know MIT makes good stuff. Okay, here's some oil stains. Not only is that damage going to be on top, there's your plumes underneath, that's gonna get into your sand, see that. Now we're gonna do this in real time, look at this, it goes on a spill, I don't even have to control it, it just does the work. You following me, camera guy? It acts like a vacuum. SeaWow -- you'll be saying WOW every time. And if you call right now, cause you know we can't do this all day, you get 4999 more SeaWows, that'll clear up a spill in a month. Here's how to order!

  14. Anyone ever read "Watermind"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check it:

    http://www.amazon.com/Watermind-M-M-Buckner/dp/076532024X

  15. how does this compare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to Kevin Costner's machines? Anyone hear of any success of those?

  16. "Real Conditions" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how this will work under real conditions with 6 to 8 ft seas and wind churning up the gulf.

    1. Re:"Real Conditions" by shawb · · Score: 1

      Probably no worse than with standard skimmers in the same conditions.

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  17. Harmless? Not likely... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's see... they're tiny robots, they consume raw materials...

    Mark my words - pretty soon some bright lab jockey will come up with the idea of giving them the ability to build more of themselves using those raw materials. And we all know what'll happen next.

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    1. Re:Harmless? Not likely... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      We get artificial bacteria?

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    2. Re:Harmless? Not likely... by BraksDad · · Score: 1

      ... And we all know what'll happen next.

      Good thing we have sharks that can zap those buggers with their lasers. Hopefully the don't reproduce too fast.

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    3. Re:Harmless? Not likely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      16 feet is tiny? Women are getting ridiculous standards these days.

  18. re Hell No! It's not a 'thing of the past'! by jelizondo · · Score: 1

    has already turned the largest oil spill in U.S. history into a thing of the past

    You migh want to check out the consequences of the oil spill and the use of dispersants before making such comments!

    From a scientist a the scene: The oil spill's toxic trade-off

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    1. Re:re Hell No! It's not a 'thing of the past'! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that it is you who might want to check.

      As someone who plies the Gulf of Mexico on a near daily basis and catches and eats its sea food on a regular basis, I can tell you that there is little to no sign of oil anywhere. Even environmentalists who are searching the entire water column as they scream about the sky falling are unable to produce evidence of meaningful quantities of oil or dispersant.

      I'll admit that it seems down right miraculous but, the oil is no where to be found and the histrionics over it seem quite pathetic. These people would have us believe that, since they don't know what's happening, it must be bad. They are unwilling to believe that the dispersants have done exactly what they were designed to do, break down the oil and evaporate without a trace.

    2. Re:re Hell No! It's not a 'thing of the past'! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different AC here.

      It may take several years to see what the full effect of the oil spill is. I think it's probably premature to be making definitive statements about it now.

    3. Re:re Hell No! It's not a 'thing of the past'! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may turn out that unicorns cause the Depp Horizon explosion.

      But, until you can produce some hard evidence to the contrary, I'm going to stick with what we know and worry less about what may come along.

  19. Heed the words of Michael Crichton by MadGeek007 · · Score: 1

    Ready the electromagnets!

  20. Looks like BS: missing critical component by gweihir · · Score: 1

    It seems this thing (and the video) is pure fantasy: It does not show anywhere how in practice the oil is going to be removed and how much oil each robot can carry. In my view, that leaves an absolute critical component out and makes this whole thing a publicity stunt and nothing more. Especially its power consumption is a pure lie, as the stated ratings are never going to be enough to remove the oil from the mat. Think of a swarm of these things and a large tender with huge energy needs that they have to go back to every few hours. Then it becomes more realistic, but not anywhere near as pretty...

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    1. Re:Looks like BS: missing critical component by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a material absorption expert but you seem to be. How many joules are needed to remove 1 liter of oil from a mat?

  21. solar power? by Lust · · Score: 1

    Collecting and burning oil but using...solar for power? Seems odd. Maybe a mech eng can explain.

    1. Re:solar power? by Raptoer · · Score: 1

      The oil being collected is generally very heavy, but can vary in composition. Oil of that type cannot be used in any normal type of combustion engine. That limits you to engine that rely solely on difference in temperatures rather than ones that try to control combustion. You could run a sterling engine off of this, but you have to consider what happens between oil slicks in the same area. If the slicks are too far apart, your robots run outta energy and just sit.

      Solar energy on the other hand will always be there tomorrow. I don't know what conditions are required for these bots to get enough power out of their solar panels, but if it's cloudy and they can't do much you just have to wait a couple of days.

  22. New From Shamwow! by deathtopaulw · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It's the Nanowow! Holds 20 times its weight in oil! Doesn't drip! Doesn't make a mess!

  23. Why solar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why solar power when it can generate plenty of power while burning it?

  24. I already got one by pakuni · · Score: 1

    oh, wait... I have an oil powered solar collector. It seats seven and even has cup holders. It uses collected solar radiation to warm the seats and the beverages in the cup holders, but that feature only works during the day time.

    1. Re:I already got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your car doesn't burn crude oil, jackass.
      What do you think all those things called refineries are there for? To look pretty and make the air smell good?

  25. Re:but what will they do when they finish? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    IF those movies were about the inevitability of machines turning on us, that joke might have been funny!

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  26. Menace to navigation? by Max+Hyre · · Score: 1

    As shown, there's no provision for navigation lights.

    I believe under the maritime Rules of the Road [PDF], one of these would be classified as a ``vessel not under command'', in which case it should display two red lights, one above the other, at night, and two black balls ditto during the day. (Rule 27 (a)) I don't know whether these are large enough to require such displays, but hit one of them in a sailboat at good speed, and you could be in real trouble.

    Additionally, a radar reflector would be a Very Good Thing. Unfortunately, that might be impractical due to wind resistance.

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    1. Re:Menace to navigation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These things are intended for cleaning up oil spills. I should imagine in that situation you'd be keeping other boats away from the area anyway. In any case I'm sure this detail would be sorted out if it gets past the prototype stage.

    2. Re:Menace to navigation? by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      The dark black cloud this thing generates would mark it during the day.

  27. 5000 Autonomous Vehicles??? by offrdbandit · · Score: 1

    I don't think the designers appreciate the difficulties what they are proposing.

    First they suggest someone could/should have thousands of these autonomous vehicles sitting around (in an operational state) waiting for oil spills (with no auxiliary purpose).

    Second they ignore the sheer chaos that would ensue as thousands of small, low-profile vehicles travel in and around other vessels necessary to actually stop/control an oil spill. These things wont show up on radar. They probably can't be seen at night, and are likely difficult or impossible to avoid by the large ships that get called to such oil spill areas. So either you have to drastically rework ship traffic to avoid the robots, maintain exclusion areas around the robots, or banish the robots to areas away from essential ship traffic.

    Third, operating autonomous vehicles at sea is very difficult. Doing so on these scales is not only difficult, it's absolutely unheard of. Nigh impossible. Keeping small numbers of autonomous vehicles operational, launching them, and successfully recovering them is no easy task. The only way you can really hope to deploy autonomous vehicles in these numbers is if they are disposable and you have no intention of recovering them.

    Finally, what happens when a storm or, God forbid, a hurricane decides to stroll by? Are you supposed to send out crews to wrangle up the 5000 vehicles bobbing around the increasingly rough seas? Do you leave them to their fate/demise?

    This whole idea wreaks of idealistic nonsense and poor engineering.

  28. Sodium chloride available here by Max+Hyre · · Score: 1

    Remember that any technology looks best a) when in development, and b) to its originators. Take any and all numbers and promises and scale them back from 50 to 80%.

    Random thought: Put one in the water upside down---can it right itself? Because it's guaranteed that in heavy seas they'll be flipped over every so often.

    On the other hand, given that the waves could flip it back up, as well, on average you'd have 50% of them rightside up at any time. It might be easier to double the number of gizmos than to design them to be self-righting.

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  29. Point? by Burnhard · · Score: 1

    A superfluous invention. Why not just rely on Alcanivorax to clean up the mess? It's already there, it replicates itself in direct proportion to the amount of oil, it self-destructs when there's no oil left to clean up, is 100% bio-degradable and it costs nothing, doing the job in half the time.

    1. Re:Point? by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Well, some googling suggests that it's aerobic, and needs extra nitrogen and phosphorus.

      So, yeah, it'll happily munch on the oil, but it consumes oxygen, and it requires nitrogen, which is a recipe for an algal bloom for yet more deoxygenation. So not only everything gets to get poisoned by the oil while it's there, they'll also suffocate when the bacteria get to it. That sounds like an awesome plan.

    2. Re:Point? by Burnhard · · Score: 1

      Don't promote your hypothesis too widely. There are real-world observations in the Gulf of Mexico that falsify it.

    3. Re:Point? by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Glad to be proven wrong, then.

      Still, I don't see why not clean it up even faster. Not like the oil is doing any good floating there. And some googling suggests that the bacteria only eat hydrocarbons, so whatever remains after that still would need to be dealt with.

  30. Welcome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one welcome our swarm of autonomous floating overlords

  31. Solar Panels? Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm no scientist, but it seems like humans should have developed a way to capture and store energy created by burning fossil fuels by now. It's so disappointing to hear we haven't figured it out yet.

  32. MIT and solar powered nano autonomous robot swarms by viking80 · · Score: 1

    Can MIT come up with something else than "solar powered nano technology autonomous robot swarms". Is this the "Build a really cool solution, and then spend a decade looking for the problem it solves"
    Would be nice to see some innovation there. Are they not supposed to have the skills and intelligence to think outside the box and go in new directions?
    - a NON-autonomous robot
    - a FOSSIL powered something
    - some new MACRO technology.

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  33. Re: "clean up a gulf-sized spill within one month. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not if the spill comes from an oil tanker. Also they didn't mention which gulf they have in mind.

  34. MIT Can Reclaim 3% of the Oil, Not Bad by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    3%? I guess it's the best that MIT could do, given their comprehension of the problem to solve. And people still wonder why I think the Cardinal Red 'S' looks pretty good.

  35. Re: "clean up a gulf-sized spill within one month. by bob+frost · · Score: 1

    Indeed, and with the case at hand in the Gulf, thanks to those dispersants, quite of bit of the oil is now a sort of emulsified goo. It has a specific gravity just about equal to that of the ambient seawater (so it hangs in suspension) and even if it could somehow be made to surface, it won't burn. AFAIK, there are no credible plans to get rid of that stuff. I'd imagine that it prolly clogs up fish gills quite well, too.

  36. FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not power the bots using the oil they collect instead if just burning it?

  37. Better than Kevin Costner's Oil Extractor Machine by Csiko · · Score: 1

    The interesting aspect in the MIT approach is that they approach the problem with a set of relatively small devices. Due to the wavy water, the oil patches become smaller and distributed. With the relatively small MIT robots they can scent out oil patces the same size. Other approaches involve large machines which become ineffective for small patches.