Rails 3.0 Released

An anonymous reader writes "After two years of gestation, 4 betas, 2 release candidates and thousands of commits by 1600+ contributors, the result of the succesful merge of the Merb and Rails frameworks (and teams) is now out and ready to transport your web applications on all new shiny tracks."

Comments

Too many changes?

[p0]

I find it a bit hard to keep up with rapid changes to Rails. But that's my problem anyway. I think the changes and additions in Rails 3 are wonderful and the team did a good job on this. Congratulations and thank you!

Re:Too many changes?

[Anonymous Coward]

2.3.x is still supported, actually they're working on 2.3.9 as we speak.
It's true that the Rails eco system moves forward at a good pace, but that's a good sign to me. it means ideas are brewing and accepted.
A sign of good health :)

Re:Too many changes?

[ojustgiveitup]

They've been working on Rails 3 for more than a year now... not really so rapid. For instance two versions of Ubuntu have come out since then.

It's a nice framework

[Anonymous Coward]

I've avoided Rails for years due to the community's reputation. So against my better judgement, I decided to build a project on the Rails 3 Beta, thinking that some of frameworks new features made it hard to ignore.

And you know what? It's a really nice framework. Nice enough that in the future, I'll probably be using Ruby on Rails instead of PHP or Python when the project allows.

But I do wish the community would grow up.

Re:It's a nice framework

[ojustgiveitup]

Could you give some examples from your own experience where the community has been problematic or not "grown up"? I've been using Rails for awhile now and have yet to run into anyone besides people trying to get good stuff done for their clients or companies, just like everyone else. What I *have* run into is a willful ignorance on Slashdot surrounding Rails, and more seriously, Ruby, which is a great language and really very similar to perennial Slashdot favorites Python and Perl.

Re:It's a nice framework

[Bogtha]

This is something I wrote a while back: These are not the actions of people who care about writing the best code possible, these are the actions of people with egos chasing features and attention.

I haven't kept up with Rails development, precisely due to attitudes like these, but hopefully the injection of Merb will bring with it an injection of - yes I'll say that word - professionalism.

Re:It's a nice framework

[Anonymous Coward]

perhaps you should consider choking to death on a sack of dicks.

Yeah, how dare he say that the Rails community is immature!

Re:It's a nice framework

[Anonymous Coward]

Wait, wait wait... somebody says that the Rails community is immature, and you respond with "I know you are, but what am I?"

Seriously?

Re:It's a nice framework

[Jane Q. Public]

First, I apologize for getting you mixed up with the person who wrote that Rails had implemented PUT and POST backward, which simply isn't the case. That's what I was mainly referring to when I wrote that you were wrong. But do have another issue with the things you wrote.

You equated one or maybe a few specific people with the "Rails community". David Heinemeier Hansson might be the original author of Rails, but he is not -- even remotely -- the "Rails community", nor is 37 Signals. And you made that error not once, but twice.

First, you describe how GET was often used for unsafe operations (a good description of that is available HERE). However, using the link_to method as described is hardly "standard practice". In fact it is anything but, regardless of whether DHH and 37 Signals have used it that way. In general, link_to was designed simply for navigating among web pages. The fact that it allows GET to be used for unsafe operations is unfortunate, but the fact is that I know few people who would ever actually use it that way. As someone else mentioned in one of the replies to that post, any framework can be abused. That is generally the fault of the developer, not the framework.

Further, the "rails developers" you accuse of being immature for complaining about it consisted of -- who else? -- David Heinemeier Hansson. Not the "rails community". If you were not aware of this already, then let me inform you: that was 5 years ago and since then the "rails community" itself, on more than one occasion, has derided DHH for his frequent immature behavior.

Your last point, about the word "professional", was again a reference to DHH personally and not "the rails community". Further yet, what he was referring to was the way the word "professional", like some other phrases, has been abused... he was not insulting professionals. In fact he made no references at all to "professionals" or "professionalism".

In summary, you are guilty of accusing a whole multitude -- thousands of people -- of being immature, almost entirely because of the actions of one person. Remind me again... who is being immature here?

Great release

[jgeiger]

A lot of the changes have made the code much more modular. You don't need to include everything if you don't need it. This also allows you to plug in other database adapters if you want. One of the nice routing changes allows you to call Rack or Sinatra applications from within your Rails application. I'm really looking forward to using this going forward.

Re:Just upgraded from 3.0.0.rc2

[Anonymous Coward]

When RC2 was released they said that they had to work on the ORM layer to speed things up before final release, less than a week later and the final release is here without any significant speed-up...