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NIH Orders Halt To Embryonic Stem Cell Research

sciencehabit writes "Responding to a court order issued a week ago, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) on Friday ordered intramural researchers studying human embryonic stem cells (hESCs) to shut down their experiments. NIH's action — probably unprecedented in its history — is a response to a preliminary injunction on 23 August from US District Judge Royce Lamberth. The judge ruled that the Obama policy allowing NIH funding to be used to study hESC lines violates a law prohibiting the use of federal funds to destroy embryos."

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  1. Buy one get one? by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The judge ruled that the Obama policy allowing NIH funding to be used to study hESC lines violates a law prohibiting the use of federal funds to destroy embryos."

    What if the scientists just charge for the research, but present an itemized bill that throws in the embryo destruction for free?

    I'm mostly kidding, but isn't there some decent way to weasel around this?

    1. Re:Buy one get one? by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There shouldn't be a need to weasel around this. I admin to being a Christian, but I refuse to allow the beliefs of anybody to get in the way of scientific research. These projects are important and the religious right needs to get off their damned high horse and let progress happen. These are the same people that years ago would have protested the use of antibiotics thinking that they would interfere with the divine will of their respective deities.

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    2. Re:Buy one get one? by Haffner · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While this would seem like a no-brainer, "Circumvent this law for the good of society, RIGHT NOW!" type moments, I have to say that the regulators obeying their legislative and judicial overlords is probably in the best interest of the country.

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    3. Re:Buy one get one? by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, what these people are saying is that "obey the laws we agree with, disobey the laws we don't agree with".

      Nope. What I'm saying is, in any system of laws, there are usually ways to obey the letter of a law while violating its spirit. These loopholes are, in many cases, eventually closed.

      If we accept that, for example, many people don't pay as much in taxes as the spirit of the law says that they should by finding ways to get deductions or shelter income -- all things allowed within the letter of the law -- why couldn't we also accept that scientists might obey the letter of a law preventing them from doing research while violating the hell out of the spirit of it?

      I'm sorry if my position is too nuanced or irreducible to a false dichotomy for you, but, there it is.

  2. Lets be fair then, by Kenja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everyone who is against stem cell research should be unable to ever benefit from the results of said research.

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  3. Re:Libertarian Approach by geckipede · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's missing the point entirely.

    This is more or less the same debate as over early abortions and chemical contraceptives, it's about when your genetic material becomes an independent and legally protected person. Unless you're suggesting that the libertarian approach is to let people sell their children thus making the question irrelevant, you need to set some defined boundaries of personhood and embryohood.

  4. Re:When Religion Meets Science by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why must your beliefs mandate that another individual fund (via mandatory taxation) research they view as fundamentally unethical?

    I think the answer has to simply be: that's where we've chosen to draw the line in our Constitution.

    That is to say, we've set it up so that (in theory), the majority doesn't get to take your individual rights away, but they do get to decide what we collectively spend money on. (And in that context, I don't consider anyone to have a right to not have their tax dollars spent on something the majority agrees with, excepting, of course, when it abridges another individual right.)

    Overall I think that strikes a pretty good compromise between a government that can't do anything (even when it should) and a government that can do too much. It's not perfect, but it beats any alternative we've tried so far.

  5. Re:Sickening by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not necessarily that. The belief that a fertilized embryo is a human isn't necessarily linked to religion (and I'm not sure how anyone can assume that link). I'm personally not religious, but I do hold that belief.

    We're not talking creationist "maybe some guy in the sky created everything but we can't prove it" sort of ideology here. We're talking about a BIOLOGICALLY IDENTIFIABLE marker in the stage of the creation of a new life: the fertilization of of a cell and the forming of a unique DNA sequence. To me as a non-religious person that is actually a much less vague point of definition as to use birth as the marker is too variable - a baby can be born at 5 months into the term or 10 months into the term and still survive in some cases. Some say viability outside of the womb, but the reality is that NO baby is self-sufficient outside of the womb (all of them need additional assistance from others). Even if you take it down to the level of "able to survive with external assistance outside of the womb" then you have a situation that will vary depending on the technological environment present. A baby born in a well-equipped modern NICU can survive MUCH earlier than one born into a 3rd world backwater.

    In short, completely aside from religion, fertilization seems to me like the most obvious point to declare a human life as started without getting into judgement calls and gray areas. Now, that may make certain research topics difficult, but that's the way things are. Experimentation on live humans would likely allow much faster progress too, but we as a society have agreed that the ethical implications of such research outweigh any potential gains.

    Indeed I find it much LESS scientific of a matter when many people's definitions basically boil down to condition that "it's not a human if I can't hear it complain", which to me is more of an emotional definition than a scientific one.

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