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European Parliament All But Rejects ACTA

An anonymous reader writes "European Parliament today adopted Written Declaration 12/2010 which basically tells the Commission to all but drop the negotiations. From the article: 'Citizens from all around Europe helped to raise awareness about ACTA among Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) by collecting, one by one, more than 369 [of the MEPs'] signatures. With Written Declaration 12/20103, the European Parliament as a whole takes a firm position to oppose the un-democratic process of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), and its content harmful to fundamental freedoms and the Internet ecosystem.'"

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  1. About Fucking Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    EU has been impressing me lately. They seem to actually care about good governance sometimes. That's one hell of a lot more than I can say about the USA and the "land of the free".

    1. Re:About Fucking Time by jvillain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The EU blows hot and cold but there are times that I am very grateful that they have the back bone to stand up to the US. Our prime minister has taken over from Blair as the one who gets on his knees and blows who ever is in the White House.

    2. Re:About Fucking Time by Hylandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      EU has been impressing me lately. They seem to actually care about good governance sometimes. That's one hell of a lot more than I can say about the USA and the "land of the corporate free reign".

      Here, let me fix that for you...

      - Dan.

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    3. Re:About Fucking Time by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The USA is the land of the free. The free are very happy there, and they have a ready supply of serfs to keep them that way.

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    4. Re:About Fucking Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      without any of the obligations...

      Taxes? pass them on to customers.
      Service? Who do they draft?
      License fees? pass them on to customers.
      Liability? We bought laws to protect us from our own greed and sins.

      All the *priveleges* without any of the responsibility.

    5. Re:About Fucking Time by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The EU parliament does. But make no mistake, it is the brain of dinosaur. The bureaucracy below is an example of wasted resources and corruption.

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    6. Re:About Fucking Time by Nursie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's some mighty fine cynicism there. But I can't find much to pick at. Opera seems a bit small-fry for that sort of a concerted effort though. Hmmm.

    7. Re:About Fucking Time by dotwaffle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Opera is based in Norway. Norway isn't part of the EU.

    8. Re:About Fucking Time by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Add the Australian prime ministers to that list... all in return for US led trade agreements that only end up shafting ordinary Australians whilst greasing the palms of a select few. Let's hope future elections have more independents - hung parliaments are the only thing preventing the UK/Aussie Prime Ministers from getting down on both knees at a time, it seems.

    9. Re:About Fucking Time by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We are wiser to stick with the precepts of Natural Law, with few excursions. Does nature give to human beings a monopoly over their ideas? No. Therefore neither should humans have a monopoly in Man's Law - let ideas by liberated after a reasonable time (say one decade).

      I'm used to your posting complete nonsense, but this is hilarious. Natural law means that the strong prey on the weak. Predators feast on whatever they can catch. If you really believe that this is a good way to build a civilisation, then I presume you won't object if someone stronger than you decides that the world would be better off without you in it. Or is that one of your 'few exceptions'? In which case, you are one of the 'Libertarian Communists' that another poster referred to recently - you want a strong society to protect you and a weak society to protect everyone else.

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    10. Re:About Fucking Time by Teun · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Your posts of today mainly show how incredibly ill informed you are yet you voice a strong and by consequence wrong opinion.

      Norway is not part of the EU and they won't be until they in about a century from now run out of oil and gas.

      Opera is a well respected but very much niche browser, in the EU and even in Norway, supporting it in this manner would be a bad investment.

      It's only since this year that the EU parliament has some real legal teeth and they love to use them against the somewhat old fashioned/conservative European Commission.

      Because members of the EU parliament are at home often little known they tend to be more independent than their national counterparts.

      Today's action demonstrates this independence and has next to nothing to do with 'EU vs US'.

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    11. Re:About Fucking Time by CowboyBob500 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't agree with Syria and Israel being allowed to join, but to be fair, part of Turkey actually is in mainland Europe. Granted, a very small part, but a part nonetheless.

    12. Re:About Fucking Time by X.25 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not convinced the EU did this for good reasons, or for their OWN corporate overlords (like they did when they sued Microsoft in order to protect the EU-based Opera).

      EU sued Microsoft in order to protect Opera?

      Whatever it is you are smoking, I'd like some. Thank you.

    13. Re:About Fucking Time by uniquename72 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So America can't join.

  2. So, can I sigh in relief now? by Scorch_Mechanic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now that the EU has "all but rejected ACTA", how likely is this to impact the enactment of this blatantly evil trade agreement in the US of A? Speaking as a concerned citizen of the US, can I breathe a little easier now, or is there more that still needs to be done to grind this horrible blight on the internet out of existence?

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    1. Re:So, can I sigh in relief now? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

      In my understanding yes the parliament now have more power to reject the commission, but it can't really stop what the commission is doing until there's a proposal on the table. This is as I understand it mostly a statement of intent that they will, because the way it's been handled.

      What is likely to happen is that the commission will propose something, have it rejected, revise it again, get rejected again ad infinitum. They've been known to fight wars of attrition - or failing that - slowly giving in to demands until it finally passes with a small margin.

      Long story short, I believe eventually they will pass some form of ACTA, but hopefully most of the bad bits will be gone by then.

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    2. Re:So, can I sigh in relief now? by lordholm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, the EP must approve (almost) all international treaties that the commission negotiates, the ACTA treaty is among these.

      Now, the EP have several options if they really want to force their will through. These include:

      1. A vote of no confidence, which would get the commission sacked.
      2. Try the old methods of Tiberius Gracchus and veto everything that comes out as a proposal from the commission or the council.

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  3. Re:369? by Kirijini · · Score: 5, Informative

    Really? They couldn't be bothered to count more than 369 signatures?

    There are 736 Members of the European Parliament. 369 is a majority.

  4. Further details... by petaflop · · Score: 5, Informative

    The 369 signatories (377 now) are all MEPs (members of the European Parliament). 369 is significant because it is a majority of the eligible votes.

    The linked page is just one of the relevant pages - you have to follow the links on the left to get at the rest. Here's a couple of interesting pages:
    http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Written_Declaration_12/2010_signatories_list
    http://www.laquadrature.net/en/ACTA

  5. Re:Wait, what? by butterflysrage · · Score: 5, Funny

    quick! to the Liberation-mobile!

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  6. Re:All but ? by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Officially, negotiations are ongoing. In reality, the majority of those that would vote on it have pledged to vote no, if true, ACTA will never go though and become law. So the issue is 'all but dropped' in that the negotiations are still open, but no one on either side expects them to go anywhere.

  7. All but a formal final rejection by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    WTF does "all but drop" mean? If you look at it grammatically, it means "to do everything but drop", which is the opposite of what the submitter implied.

    "All But Rejects" in the headline indicated to me that the European Parliament had expressed its disapproval in every way short of a formal final rejection.

    1. Re:All but a formal final rejection by blackraven14250 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They did do everything short of a formal final rejection. They can't do the final rejection, since they require a finalized proposal first.

  8. This isn't over? by Spliffster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a European I am glad to read this. However, I am no sure if this is over yet. The cynic in me says: there wasn't enough money flowing to some representatives or some representatives want to advance their own agenda a little bit more. I guess it is time to negotiate behind closed doors a little bit more until we reach an agreement.

    1. Re:This isn't over? by Halo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Repeating the standard pub arguments about politics is not the same as "insightful", mods.

      The whole ACTA thing is already being negotiated behind closed doors. It's unlikely that anyone is trying to bribe MEPs at this point since the European Parliament is not directly involved in the negotiations itself, and the European Commission is trying its best to keep them as far as possible from the negotiations. Not to mention that it's pretty hard to bribe that many individual MEPs with so many different political backgrounds and nationalities so as to block a written declaration from passing. It would be one of the most expensive and idiotic strategies ever.

      And of course MEPs do this because it advances their agenda: they don't want to be kept out by the European Commission from negotiations like this only to be presented with a fait accompli later on. Well, that combined with the fact that several of them also don't like the inclusion of patents in it, and all the stuff about cutting people's Internet access for copyright infringements is also not very popular there.

      Note that I'm not saying that it *is* over now. However, that is unrelated to any alleged bribery or selfishness.

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    2. Re:This isn't over? by Halo1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would be one of the most expensive and idiotic strategies ever.

      That didn't stop Obamacare in the US. I think you underestimate the willingness of politicians to jerk the populace around in return for some short-term gain. 8*)

      As far as I'm concerned, the mass hysteria about Obama's health care reform is incredibly sad and hilarious at the same time. Then again, I'm from socialist Europe and probably a communist nazi (whatever that may be), so what do I know...

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  9. Re:Wait, what? by JohnBailey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A democratic institution representing the desires and best interests of it's electorate?
    What gives?

    Too many people to effectively bribe.

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  10. Re:Source? by sammyF70 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try this and search for ACTA in the title. The document in question is here (pdf). Note that the status is ONGOING but that tomorow is the lapse date.

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  11. Re:Are Canada and Mexico next? by Ironhandx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That analysis isn't quite right as Stephen Harper(current PM) has done a fair bit of boat rocking with his far right agenda etc. That asshole has undone some 30+ years of relative progress in just a few short years.

    He is very willing to bend over for any US agreements however. Mostly because he's busy pointing at the US(the southern US in particular) as an example for Canada to follow, as though thats a good idea. He slacked up on that part however after their economy collapsed and ours mostly just dipped and leveled out rather than collapsing.

  12. Re:good by game+kid · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was about to say "don't forget office sex with your pantsuited, bespectacled busty redhead secretary", but you already used your three wishes. :(

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  13. Re:369? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The target was 369, a majority. The current total is 377.

  14. Re:369? by mounthood · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are 736 Members of the European Parliament. 369 is a majority.

    It won't be when Microsoft gets done with it.

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  15. Now just watch by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now let's all just watch the commission ignore the requests of the parliament. Unless it's really not important at all, of course.

    Power in the EU is not with the parliament, but with the commission. Even after the treaty both executive and legislative power remains with the commission, and they threw in a part of the judiciary to match.

    1. Re:Now just watch by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

      Power in the EU is not with the parliament, but with the commission.

      This used to be the case, but is not true anymore, for almost a year now.

  16. Re:Wait, what? by daem0n1x · · Score: 3, Informative

    The European Parliament is usually a reliable entity with good sense. That's why there are so many rulings that allow the hateful non-elected European Commission to go over their heads in many issues. I wouldn't be surprised if the EC just ignores the Parliament and signs an agreement with the US to apply ACTA here.

    After all, it's presided by a jerk called Barroso, that went from Maoist troublemaker in the 70s to free-market right-wing super-bureaucrat. He avidly supported the invasion of Iraq when he was the Portuguese Prime Minister and licked Bush's ass until his mouth turned brown. Strangely he was rewarded a job as head of the Commision in spite of being a spineless ass-licker that embarrassed and ashamed us Europeans, and specially us Portuguese.

    Another ass-licker, Tony Blair, nearly won the job of President of European Council, but this time the outrage was too much for the Euro Dickhead Bureaucrats to sweep under the rug.

  17. Re:good by Nursie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it Christina Hendricks? 'cos I would totally take back the other wishes. All of them.

  18. Re:Just empty talk by Jesus_666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nope. The EC has exactly two tries.

    1. The EC submits the draft.
    2. If the EP accepts, it's passed. Otherwise...
    3. The EP rejects the draft and gives the EC a list of things they want changed.
    4. The EC submits a new version of the draft.
    5. If the EP accepts, it's passed. Otherwise...
    6. The EC can try to reconcile with the EP and figure out a shared draft. If this fails...
    7. The draft is dead and can't be resubmitted.

    I think the EC could try to start a war of attrition with the EP but that could end with the EP just veoting anything looking remotely like IP legislation until the EC shuts up.

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  19. Re:Wait, what? by dachshund · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But what was he doing? Studying & living blissfully in a relatively expensive place, financed by his family at home in the position of public authority, on a curse leading to a diploma which will be useless (just for a paper; while cheating) - but with a position in a public institution at home virtually assured after his return.

    Minus the cheating bit, your description could really apply to any somewhat privileged middle-class Western individual. In that sense it probably covers you, me, and the vast majority of Slashdot posters as well.

    It sounds like your issue with this gentleman is the fact that he's enjoying his status on the backs of his own less-fortunate countrymen, while blaming their problems on someone else. But don't kid yourself that you're somehow morally superior to the guy. Those of us who are lucky to be born into a wealthy country are basically doing the same thing, we're just doing it on the backs of some other country's less-fortunate folks (and many of our own countrymen too).