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European Parliament All But Rejects ACTA

An anonymous reader writes "European Parliament today adopted Written Declaration 12/2010 which basically tells the Commission to all but drop the negotiations. From the article: 'Citizens from all around Europe helped to raise awareness about ACTA among Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) by collecting, one by one, more than 369 [of the MEPs'] signatures. With Written Declaration 12/20103, the European Parliament as a whole takes a firm position to oppose the un-democratic process of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), and its content harmful to fundamental freedoms and the Internet ecosystem.'"

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  1. About Fucking Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    EU has been impressing me lately. They seem to actually care about good governance sometimes. That's one hell of a lot more than I can say about the USA and the "land of the free".

    1. Re:About Fucking Time by jvillain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The EU blows hot and cold but there are times that I am very grateful that they have the back bone to stand up to the US. Our prime minister has taken over from Blair as the one who gets on his knees and blows who ever is in the White House.

    2. Re:About Fucking Time by Hylandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      EU has been impressing me lately. They seem to actually care about good governance sometimes. That's one hell of a lot more than I can say about the USA and the "land of the corporate free reign".

      Here, let me fix that for you...

      - Dan.

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    3. Re:About Fucking Time by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The USA is the land of the free. The free are very happy there, and they have a ready supply of serfs to keep them that way.

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    4. Re:About Fucking Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      without any of the obligations...

      Taxes? pass them on to customers.
      Service? Who do they draft?
      License fees? pass them on to customers.
      Liability? We bought laws to protect us from our own greed and sins.

      All the *priveleges* without any of the responsibility.

    5. Re:About Fucking Time by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The EU parliament does. But make no mistake, it is the brain of dinosaur. The bureaucracy below is an example of wasted resources and corruption.

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    6. Re:About Fucking Time by dotwaffle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Opera is based in Norway. Norway isn't part of the EU.

    7. Re:About Fucking Time by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We are wiser to stick with the precepts of Natural Law, with few excursions. Does nature give to human beings a monopoly over their ideas? No. Therefore neither should humans have a monopoly in Man's Law - let ideas by liberated after a reasonable time (say one decade).

      I'm used to your posting complete nonsense, but this is hilarious. Natural law means that the strong prey on the weak. Predators feast on whatever they can catch. If you really believe that this is a good way to build a civilisation, then I presume you won't object if someone stronger than you decides that the world would be better off without you in it. Or is that one of your 'few exceptions'? In which case, you are one of the 'Libertarian Communists' that another poster referred to recently - you want a strong society to protect you and a weak society to protect everyone else.

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    8. Re:About Fucking Time by Teun · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Your posts of today mainly show how incredibly ill informed you are yet you voice a strong and by consequence wrong opinion.

      Norway is not part of the EU and they won't be until they in about a century from now run out of oil and gas.

      Opera is a well respected but very much niche browser, in the EU and even in Norway, supporting it in this manner would be a bad investment.

      It's only since this year that the EU parliament has some real legal teeth and they love to use them against the somewhat old fashioned/conservative European Commission.

      Because members of the EU parliament are at home often little known they tend to be more independent than their national counterparts.

      Today's action demonstrates this independence and has next to nothing to do with 'EU vs US'.

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    9. Re:About Fucking Time by X.25 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not convinced the EU did this for good reasons, or for their OWN corporate overlords (like they did when they sued Microsoft in order to protect the EU-based Opera).

      EU sued Microsoft in order to protect Opera?

      Whatever it is you are smoking, I'd like some. Thank you.

    10. Re:About Fucking Time by uniquename72 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So America can't join.

  2. So, can I sigh in relief now? by Scorch_Mechanic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now that the EU has "all but rejected ACTA", how likely is this to impact the enactment of this blatantly evil trade agreement in the US of A? Speaking as a concerned citizen of the US, can I breathe a little easier now, or is there more that still needs to be done to grind this horrible blight on the internet out of existence?

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    1. Re:So, can I sigh in relief now? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

      In my understanding yes the parliament now have more power to reject the commission, but it can't really stop what the commission is doing until there's a proposal on the table. This is as I understand it mostly a statement of intent that they will, because the way it's been handled.

      What is likely to happen is that the commission will propose something, have it rejected, revise it again, get rejected again ad infinitum. They've been known to fight wars of attrition - or failing that - slowly giving in to demands until it finally passes with a small margin.

      Long story short, I believe eventually they will pass some form of ACTA, but hopefully most of the bad bits will be gone by then.

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    2. Re:So, can I sigh in relief now? by lordholm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, the EP must approve (almost) all international treaties that the commission negotiates, the ACTA treaty is among these.

      Now, the EP have several options if they really want to force their will through. These include:

      1. A vote of no confidence, which would get the commission sacked.
      2. Try the old methods of Tiberius Gracchus and veto everything that comes out as a proposal from the commission or the council.

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  3. Re:369? by Kirijini · · Score: 5, Informative

    Really? They couldn't be bothered to count more than 369 signatures?

    There are 736 Members of the European Parliament. 369 is a majority.

  4. Further details... by petaflop · · Score: 5, Informative

    The 369 signatories (377 now) are all MEPs (members of the European Parliament). 369 is significant because it is a majority of the eligible votes.

    The linked page is just one of the relevant pages - you have to follow the links on the left to get at the rest. Here's a couple of interesting pages:
    http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Written_Declaration_12/2010_signatories_list
    http://www.laquadrature.net/en/ACTA

  5. Re:Wait, what? by butterflysrage · · Score: 5, Funny

    quick! to the Liberation-mobile!

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  6. All but a formal final rejection by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    WTF does "all but drop" mean? If you look at it grammatically, it means "to do everything but drop", which is the opposite of what the submitter implied.

    "All But Rejects" in the headline indicated to me that the European Parliament had expressed its disapproval in every way short of a formal final rejection.

  7. Re:Wait, what? by JohnBailey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A democratic institution representing the desires and best interests of it's electorate?
    What gives?

    Too many people to effectively bribe.

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  8. Re:Are Canada and Mexico next? by Ironhandx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That analysis isn't quite right as Stephen Harper(current PM) has done a fair bit of boat rocking with his far right agenda etc. That asshole has undone some 30+ years of relative progress in just a few short years.

    He is very willing to bend over for any US agreements however. Mostly because he's busy pointing at the US(the southern US in particular) as an example for Canada to follow, as though thats a good idea. He slacked up on that part however after their economy collapsed and ours mostly just dipped and leveled out rather than collapsing.

  9. Now just watch by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now let's all just watch the commission ignore the requests of the parliament. Unless it's really not important at all, of course.

    Power in the EU is not with the parliament, but with the commission. Even after the treaty both executive and legislative power remains with the commission, and they threw in a part of the judiciary to match.

    1. Re:Now just watch by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

      Power in the EU is not with the parliament, but with the commission.

      This used to be the case, but is not true anymore, for almost a year now.

  10. Re:This isn't over? by Halo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Repeating the standard pub arguments about politics is not the same as "insightful", mods.

    The whole ACTA thing is already being negotiated behind closed doors. It's unlikely that anyone is trying to bribe MEPs at this point since the European Parliament is not directly involved in the negotiations itself, and the European Commission is trying its best to keep them as far as possible from the negotiations. Not to mention that it's pretty hard to bribe that many individual MEPs with so many different political backgrounds and nationalities so as to block a written declaration from passing. It would be one of the most expensive and idiotic strategies ever.

    And of course MEPs do this because it advances their agenda: they don't want to be kept out by the European Commission from negotiations like this only to be presented with a fait accompli later on. Well, that combined with the fact that several of them also don't like the inclusion of patents in it, and all the stuff about cutting people's Internet access for copyright infringements is also not very popular there.

    Note that I'm not saying that it *is* over now. However, that is unrelated to any alleged bribery or selfishness.

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  11. Re:Just empty talk by Jesus_666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nope. The EC has exactly two tries.

    1. The EC submits the draft.
    2. If the EP accepts, it's passed. Otherwise...
    3. The EP rejects the draft and gives the EC a list of things they want changed.
    4. The EC submits a new version of the draft.
    5. If the EP accepts, it's passed. Otherwise...
    6. The EC can try to reconcile with the EP and figure out a shared draft. If this fails...
    7. The draft is dead and can't be resubmitted.

    I think the EC could try to start a war of attrition with the EP but that could end with the EP just veoting anything looking remotely like IP legislation until the EC shuts up.

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