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Rogue Employees Sell World Cup Fans' Passport Data

An anonymous reader writes "Reports are coming in that the Information Commissioner's Office has started investigating FIFA, the world football governing body, over allegations that details of thousands of World Cup fans' — including their passport data — were accessed by one or more members of staff and then sold on the black market. It is alleged that the details of more than 35,000 English fans — who visited Germany for the 2006 World Cup — had their passport and allied data sold to ticket touts for marketing purposes."

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  1. Make the punishment fit the crime by humblecoder · · Score: 4, Funny

    When they catch the people who did this, they should be forced to listen to those vuvuzelas at high volume until their ears bleed. That'll teach 'em.

    1. Re:Make the punishment fit the crime by socsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On a serious note, if it's the second scenario supposed in TFA.... Keeping that sort of personal data for that long without any proper use for it shows either a heavy degree of incompetence or a desire to use it for their own promotions and that they are sour that "rogue" employees beat them to selling the information.

    2. Re:Make the punishment fit the crime by ooshna · · Score: 2, Funny

      Probably to ensure that known violent football hooligans do not get tickets? I seem to recall reading some time ago that some of these violent hooligans were flat out banned from traveling to, let alone attending football games because their primary intent is to get drunk and brawl with rivals. And by brawl I don't mean a couple of drunks engaging in fisticuffs but mass fighting on a scale that we in the U.S. would call a riot.

      That's b/c if any fight gets larger than a few people here in the U.S. a gun will almost always become involved.

  2. Why would FIFA have this data? by Kevinv · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why would FIFA even have passport data at all? At what point to they collect passport data from attendees? What happens if you refuse to show them your passport?

    1. Re:Why would FIFA have this data? by therblig · · Score: 4, Informative

      I believe it is because there are temporary and lifetime bans handed out to dangerously unruly football fans in Europe. The passport information is to help enforce these bans.

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    2. Re:Why would FIFA have this data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would FIFA even have passport data at all?

      I believe it is because there are temporary and lifetime bans handed out to dangerously unruly football fans in Europe. The passport information is to help enforce these bans.

      According to the article they have a lot more than just passport data on fans, and it isn't just hooligans, its EVERYBODY!

      Too bad this seems to be so normal that the article and most people on Slashdot seem to be taking this collection of data as NORMAL!

      It's bizarre. If I ever go to a sports game and somebody asks me for my passport, date of birth, driving record or any other personal peace of information I'm going to tell that person to "fuck off" and save my time and money on something useful (like beer or prostitutes).

      If somebody is a criminal, or a "football hooligan" then they should just be placed on the "no fly list" or no-enter-country list. None of this guilty-before-proven-innocent bullshit, like with the trend of suspects of minor crimes being put into permanent fingerprint and DNA databases, things just go too far.

      It's funny too because with these kind of rules, you'll notice that politicians, the rich, and celebrities are generally excluded, like with the U.S. watch lists (the un-redacted TSA manual can be found on Wikileaks), and the (former) law in Britain that required anybody who had contact with children be put on a database of potential child abusers (the law was worded more tactfully than I put it). Look up the references yourself here. These things were pointed out in other Slashdot stories.

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    3. Re:Why would FIFA have this data? by jhol13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The data of those who are not banned need not be collected. But alas, it was.

    4. Re:Why would FIFA have this data? by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The data was collected because there was no other way to identify the hooligans.

      No, the GP's right. You could enforce it just as easily by keeping a blacklist of names and passport numbers and simply use it as a comparison - without actually storing the number you're checking.

  3. Re:One more reason just to kill scalpers. by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um, I really don't see whats so bad about "scalping" tickets. If people are willing to pay more than the listed price, let them. Now, granted, selling personal data is bad, but scalping isn't. Its simply the free market at work, if I've got something I bought at $5, why should I -have- to sell them at that price? If someone wants to spend $10, $20, $50 on them, let them.

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  4. Re:FUD...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hippocrates much

  5. The Guardian covered this last week by jayemcee · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/05/fifa-passports-claims The most interesting bit is that Sepp Blatter's nephew is involved with the company at fault.

  6. Re:One more reason just to kill scalpers. by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...Then they should be priced double that. The only reason scalpers exist is because there is an imbalance between what people are selling something for and what they are worth. Why should I be outraged that Bob's Arena is selling Justin Bieber tickets for $40 but people are willing to pay $80 for them? And it isn't like these are any sort of vital resources like gas, oil or water. I really see nothing to be outraged about, should I also be outraged that some people go to garage sales and get baseball cards worth $100 for $5?

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  7. No Primary Key by Itninja · · Score: 3, Informative

    What exactly does my passport data reveal about me? Here's what (with US passports anyway):

    - My name (for common names, no big deal)
    - My birthday (kinda private, but I give i
    - My gender
    - My birthplace
    - Where I got my passport (issuing authority)
    - Date validity (when I got it and when it expires)

    That's it.

    My name is not exactly a secret (I give it to total strangers all the time). Plus, it's a common one in the US, so (obviously) a lot of people have it.
    My birthday is kind of personal, but there very little someone could do with it without having more data.
    My gender is easily guessable once you know my first name.
    My birthplace lists only the country, and not the city. Useless.
    My issuing authority is even less specific: 'US Department of State'.
    Date validity is also useless.

    It's not as if my passport lists my SSN, home address, credit history, or anything else that can be used to steal my money or identity. Perhaps they have a lot more personal info in other countries' passports, but not in mine.

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    1. Re:No Primary Key by jimicus · · Score: 2, Informative

      It'll also have a passport number, which means there's quite enough on there to produce a fake passport. It may or may not pass muster at international borders, but it'd almost certainly be adequate ID at a bank.

      Clue: Anyone who wants to purchase 30,000 valid passport details almost certainly has the resources to get their hands on genuine blank passports from the country of their choice and print them appropriately. The only clue that the passport they produce would be fake would be the photograph, and even that may not be a problem if Fifa are reading the RFID chip on the newer passports.

  8. Re:One more reason just to kill scalpers. by shentino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm curious if scalpers sell more or less tickets than the original vendors would have sold had they used the scalper's prices to begin with.

    The question is, do the scalpers inflate the prices artificially by monopolizing the supply?

  9. Re:One more reason just to kill scalpers. by lul_wat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because you can be a cunt, doesn't meant you have to be.

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  10. Re:One more reason just to kill scalpers. by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's because nobody likes leaches that jump in the middle of a transaction and grab money from both sides. Such people contribute nothing and so should gain nothing.

    If the tickets were an unlimited resource, few would care, but more typically the scalpers descent and snap up all of the tickets leaving people no choice if they want to see the event.

    The original seller may well have an interest in the affordability of the event. For example, it's strongly in their best interest to not have fans give up on getting tickets ever again and lose interest.

  11. Re:One more reason just to kill scalpers. by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another factor is the sold-out cred. The optimum price (defined purely economically) will tend to leave a few unsold seats. There is a lot of cred in the entertainment world to selling out an event. Not selling out is seen as a sign of flagging popularity.

  12. Re:Why is your passport # needed to buy a ticket? by thegarbz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe FIFA uses this to enforce international bans on some of the "special" fans. Think the English team in Euro Trip.

  13. Re:One more reason just to kill scalpers. by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, one of these products is necessary and the other is not. However, you haven't demonstrated how the ECONOMICS of the situation are different in any way whatsoever. Your argument is a red herring.

    The argument is that scalpers monopolize the ticket supply, which is like oil sheiks selling the oil at inflated prices. Your response is that because one product is necessary and the other isn't the entire comparison is absolutely insane.

    So, I'll start the argument again. I assert that ticket scalpers monopolize (a significant portion of) the ticket supply. This is unfair to consumers who are now forced to pay inflated prices for tickets that the manufacturer (performer, artist, musician, whatever) originally sold. Now, because musicians/artists/etc. provide services that are largely advertised through word of mouth (i.e. your friend tells you about this great new album) I also assert that keeping ticket prices at the original level determined by the artist is vital for the success of the artist. Selling out a concert generates revenue from ticket sales and through future word of mouth advertising. Scalpers raise the price of the tickets and thus reduce the number of people willing to buy the tickets. This harms the future revenue potential of the artist. Thus, scalpers are unfair to consumers and harmful to content producers.

    Please, when responding to my argument don't go off on some stupid ass tangent about necessary products.

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  14. Re:Current security is inadequate by jimicus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Security in the real world is seldom an absolute.

    While you're absolutely correct that there's room for improvement, there will always be fraud. The bad guys aren't going to jack it in and take a respectable job just because you've made their life a little harder. Developing a layer to reduce that fraud costs a lot of money - it's easy to devise a theoretical solution, it's rather harder to ensure it'll work reliably with the millions of card users worldwide without significantly impacting on legitimate transactions. It's not something you can throw together in a week or so.

    And when you've finished you'll have reduced one sort of fraud, which may well have an impact on others - the bad guys aren't going to retire simply because you've made their job harder.

    So, questions have to be asked. Questions like "How much does this sort of fraud cost?" and "Are there cheaper ways of achieving the same end?". Given that fraud costs a lot of money, I guarantee you these exact questions are being asked.

  15. Re:One more reason just to kill scalpers. by sjames · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You haven't been paying attention. PLENTY of people object to one or more aspects of the stock market. Some object to the entire class of people who inhabit it.