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FCC To Open Up Vacant TV Airwaves For Broadband

crimeandpunishment writes "Get ready for 'super Wi-Fi.' If the FCC works out the last details of new spectrum rules, they'll open up the so-called 'white spaces'... the vacant airwaves between broadcast TV channels ... for wireless broadband connections. If the plan goes through, it will lead to Wi-Fi with longer range and stronger power. The stumbling blocks have included concerns about interference with TV signals and wireless microphones, but the FCC plans to vote next week on rules meant to resolve those issues."

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  1. Re:FUCK THE WORLD by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Slashdot,
    I'm killing myself. My wife left me today.

    Thank god. I'm personally tired of all the useless comments from that guy named "Anonymous Coward" anyway.

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  2. Good idea, with guarded concern... by scharkalvin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm glad the FCC is leaning toward unlicensed use of the spectrum instead of selling it to some M$ like concern. I hope they put enough common sense regulation in place to allow the spectrum to be used without mutual interference with itself. Digital TV is somewhat more imune to interference than analog, but the new wifi devices do need to be self configurable to avoid assigned TV channels.

    1. Re:Good idea, with guarded concern... by hedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      2 to 25 is plenty for most of the country. Around here, we'd have to more or less triple the stations to use that up. Probably have to go to HD to do it.

      As much sympathy as I have, why should most of the country suffer for what is an east coast centric problem? I get that there are a lot of people over there, but it got old a long time ago having to suffer for problems which are way over there.

      It shows a distinct arrogance to screw us once again over an issue that doesn't affect us.

  3. The important question is... by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...to whom will we have to fork over the hefty monthly charges to use our "public" airwaves?

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    1. Re:The important question is... by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Microsoft, Google, ATT, Verizon, and other internet/cellular/wireless companies.

      No more free ride like now (where I can see ~40 channels without charge). By the way I got rid of cable when I realized I was oly watching 5 of the shows. Kinda silly to spend ~$800 a year for just five cable shows. It's cheaper to rent the Season sets on DVD.

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  4. What open frequencies? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

    >>>Digital TV is somewhat more imune to interference than analog

    False. I've switched to DTV and it's amazing what will block it. I turned on a vacuum cleaner and said goodbye to 50-mile distant channel 6 disappeared. In the old analog world it would have simple added some "fuzz" on the screen but still watchable. And when we have storms, we lose the DTV where the old analog signal never disappeared. DTV can no longer be relied upon for areas with bad weather (think Tornado Alley from Texas to Minnesota) (or Hurricane Alley from Florida to Maryland).

    And what open frequencies?

    No joking but here is a list of all the channels currently in used along the Mid-Atlantic (near New Jersey). Where the hell does the FCC think Wifi devices are supposed to operate? I suspect what will actually happen is the teen girl next door will turn-on her device directly over top the Baltimore or Philadelphia station I'm trying to watch and make it disappear.
    6
    7
    8
    9
    10
    11
    12
    13
    14-21 (reserved for police in NY City and state)
    24
    26
    27
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    29
    31
    32
    33
    35 (reserved for radioastronomy)
    37
    39
    41
    43
    44
    45
    48
    49
    50

    Plus dozens of low-power "neighborhood" transmitters that serve local communities.

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  5. Re:TV signals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Data still takes bandwidth, and we can't get more than 19.39 Mbps into a single 6 MHz channel (at least with 8VSB). So until we switch to another modulation scheme (and obsolete all the new ATSC equipment) we're stuck at 19.39 Mbps. We can pack more program streams into the transport stream but with MPEG2 which is currently mandated we can only do that by reducing the quality of existing streams. (Not the programming quality, that's an entirely different subject.) MPEG4 can help significantly but that would once again obsolete a bunch of fairly new equipment.

    Two points need to be made:

    1. Most of the time channels could share a single transport stream, but it will be quite difficult to get competing media corps to do that.
    2. The UHF spectrum is ideally suited to the current business structure of the media corps and the wide spread use of receivers (TVs) means a lock-in on the UHF band for years to come.

    In a decade or so we can probably implement MPEG4 (or whatever standard has been established at that point) for over-the-air broadcasts, but right now a bunch of people just bought new TVs and want them to last for 5 - 10 years. Moving to an entirely IP based broadcast methodology would require a number of safe guards in the end-to-end distribution to ensure that people who rely on TV broadcasts for emergency information will not lose information due to a DOS.

    Take this with a grain of salt. I'm in the broadcast equipment industry and keeping thing status quo does make my life easier.

  6. You can have my Mr. Microphone by jjeffries · · Score: 5, Funny
    when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

    Hey good lookin, we'll be back to pick you up later!

  7. Re:Gravity? Thermodynamics? by Yamata+no+Orochi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The stumbling blocks have included concerns about interference with TV signals and wireless microphones, but the FCC plans to vote next week on rules meant to resolve those issues.

    Why can't those politicians vote on something more useful, like repealing the law of gravity, or laws of thermodynamics? I'm sure its likely to be equally successful.

    What are you talking about? "Rules to resolve issues" doesn't sound anything like anyone implying magical physics-breaking measures, it sounds like regulations on exact frequency and signal-strength, which there would obviously be anyway. Sensationalist much?

  8. Re:TV signals by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >>>Imo, TV signals are a waste of bandwidth...

    Not really. They stream ~20 Mbit/s of video to approximately 0.5 million homes per city/market. That's over 6000 gigabytes of television/news per home, or 3,000,000 terabytes total. Show me any internet or cellphone that can do the same, and at $0.00 cost per year. You can't. - (Imo, only a fool pays for watching Supernatural or CSI or whatever else you enjoy, when it's available for free.)

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  9. Re:A question not deemed important by Daa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are no "buffer" bands, analog TV used 2 carriers in the 6MHz channel and you could find some free space as long as you didn't mind the interference with either the audio or video. DTV uses all of the 6 MHz with almost no channel edge gap and is spread spectrum like wifi so there are no gaps to sneak into. In the major metropolitan areas the reality is there will be NO free channels for TVBDs. Which means that a lagre percentage of the US population will gain no benefit form the TVBD devices because they will have no channels to use them on.

  10. Phased Arrays Yet? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Phased array antennas can detect the 3D position of the source of a signal, distinguished from other transmitter locations sending on the same frequency. It's how humans with eyes can tell there's two blades of grass in front of them, not just "it's green out".

    A phased array could make frequency segregation unnecessary, and vastly increase bandwidth without interference. By doing so, it would completely destroy the entire basis of the FCC, except as certification that phased array devices work properly.

    How far along has phased array tech come for either stationary devices like base stations, relocatable ones like notebooks, or low power ones like phones? Products with these features are long overdue, and mobile telecom will be revolutionized by them.

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    1. Re:Phased Arrays Yet? by s122604 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "By doing so, it would completely destroy the entire basis of the FCC" -- I think that is a tad premature...
      Google adaptive beam-forming, this is what you are referring to. It is used in the electronic warfare field, and a crude version of it has even made its way into some lower power consumer equipment like N-band routers...Creating an adaptable phased array directional enough to null out, to the point of non-interference one of two powerful/closely located transmitters is no easy, or cheap task.

      Also, we aren't talking about a 2.4GHZ router. On the low end of UHF, there is also a significant size/portability issue governed by physics/antenna theory that won't be solved even if you figured out the economic issue.
      The idea that adaptive beamforming is going to come to every piece of consumer VHF/UHF equipment and make the FCC irrelevant is wildly optimistic

  11. Re:Beware of 'the public' by ShadowFalls · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just tell them to make sure they waterproof it first.

  12. Re:TV signals by russotto · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Most of the time channels could share a single transport stream, but it will be quite difficult to get competing media corps to do that.

    And you have to either throw away HD, or switch to MPEG-4 (obseleting receivers, etc). A single 19Mpbs transport stream can't hold two decent-quality 720p MPEG-2 channels, so either you go with 480p or you overcompress to the point that it looks worse than 480p.

  13. Cognitive Radio by erice · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is tentative step toward cognitive radio.

    They are reusing channels that are allocated for television but not actually in use for that purpose in particular areas. TV is pretty easy to work with. There are few, powerful, transmitters and they transmit all the time. In TFA, some even suggested using GPS and a database to figure out which channels are available.

    That's pretty crude. In a fully cognitive radio system, the device listens for transmitters on a range of frequencies. If it finds open spectrum, it sets up shop. This can be tricky as it has to distinguish vacant channels from ones that are occupied but with a weak signal. Also, the owner could simply be off line. When the licensed transmitter comes back, the cognitive radios must vacate.

    Still, the potential is huge. In principle, *all* licensed bands could be reused by cognitive radios. At any given time and space, a great deal of valuable spectrum is simply wasted. The licensee, if they even exist in this area, isn't using the channel and no one else is allowed. Cognitive radio would open up those regions to the rest of us.