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NASA Looks At Railgun-Like Rocket Launcher

coondoggie writes "NASA is looking hard at a way to blast spacecraft horizontally down an electrified track or gas-powered sled and into space, hitting speeds of about Mach 10. The craft would then return and land on a runway by the launch site."

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  1. Re:Well, this is not a by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, I believe this critter was up and at it in the 70's at Princeton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_K._O'Neill

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  2. Let's hope NASA is better at math than TFA by Just_Say_Duhhh · · Score: 3, Informative
    According to TFA, the sled will be "hitting speeds of about Mach 10." That's fast, but then the TFA says, "electric tracks catapult rollercoaster riders daily at theme parks. But those tracks call for speeds of 60 mph -- enough to thrill riders, but not nearly fast enough to launch something into space. The launcher would need to reach at least 10 times that speed"

    Sorry, but 10x roller coaster speeds isn't close to Mach 10.

    NASA is on to something interesting here. It would seem that MagLev is required (no wheels can handle that speed), and it would be interesting to see what kind of acceleration they can get out of LIM's. Rocket propulsion seems a waste in this application. It might help bullet-train technology, and we can get some new spin-off inventions from NASA.

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  3. Re:Maybe someone should tell them... by sconeu · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're being facetious, but that's exactly what would happen.

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  4. Re:NASA still cannot do simple math. by vlm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Once ignited, Mach 10 wouldn't be outrageous for a Scramjet.

    Well, that seems a bit optimistic for a device that has been successfully flown, what, twice? Its kind of like planning the Boeing 777 the day after the wright brothers first flight.

    The real killer with all these "hybrid" lifter designs is they are all ignorant of the virtually unknown 666 rule.

    The 666 rule is that Mach 6 (which is tricky for an air breathing aircraft) at 60000 feet (again, tricky) is a whopping 6% of the way to orbit.

    So, if, in your wildest dreams, you can simultaneously achieve mach 6 at 60Kft, which would be quite the noteworthy achievement, you've still got 94% of the way to go.

    Alternately, you could take the required second stage, and make the fuel tank at least 6% bigger and skip all this air breathing foolishness.

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  5. Re:Well, this is not a by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Informative

    IIRC he's generally credited with the concept of communications satellites

    Nope. That was Arthur C. Clarke, another of the grand masters of hard science-fiction.

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  6. Re:Well, this is not a by robot256 · · Score: 3, Informative

    before gravity takes control.

    As the GP said, gravity is a conservative force. It is ALWAYS in control. Right now, gravity from distance stars is pulling us in their direction--the force is infinitestimal but present nonetheless. It is an extreme colloquialism to say that when you throw a ball up in the air gravity "takes control" when it starts to fall down, never mind that gravity caused the slowing of its ascent as well. Same as in orbits.

    "Coasting into orbit," in your colloquial usage, simply means cutting the engines at a lower altitude than the final orbital altitude. To pull it off, you have to be going faster than orbital velocity at the lower altitude so that after your engine is cut off, some of your kinetic energy is transferred to potential energy, and you slow down while still going up until you reach the final orbit. This is no doubt used for small portions of most flights. But the GP's point is correct; anyone who understands Newtonian physics will be able to tell whether and what orbit you will reach once you cut your engines, thus no one ever bothers to talk about "coasting".

    The only difference with a railgun-only launch system is you reach the maximum velocity at ground level and spend the *entire* trip to orbit "coasting." This is not what NASA is proposing. They will use the railgun only as the first stage, followed by scramjets and an orbital-insertion rocket engine, which is a much more realistic proposal.

  7. Re:Well, this is not a by u17 · · Score: 3, Informative

    When you cut off your engines, you *are* in orbit. There is no "final" orbit to go to from there. The only question is, does your orbit intersect the Earth or not :-)