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Construction of French Fusion Reactor Underway

GarryFre writes "It has been said that fusion is 50 years away for quite a few decades, but now work has actually been started. Digging has begun in the south of France on the planned site for France's first fusion reactor. A tokomak is a torus shaped magnetic confinement device which is necessary to withstand the temperatures associated with fusion that are so high, solid materials can't hold them. As such, the building represents the future core of ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor.) It will be interesting to see if it takes 50 years to build it."

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  1. French? Well, kind of. by Trapezium+Artist · · Score: 5, Informative

    It may well be physically in France, I wouldn't call it French per se. The I in the name most assuredly stands for International, with technical and financial input from around the world (China, the EU, India, Japan, Korea, Russia, and the USA, in alphabetical order).

    It's a project we all may ultimately depend on as a civilisation, so the International part is important.

  2. Professor Farnsworth begs to differ . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Informative

    the world's first Fusion Reactor

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnsworth-Hirsch_Fusor

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    1. Re:Professor Farnsworth begs to differ . . . by istartedi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course this design has no chance of achieving net power output. It's useful as a source of low-energy neutrons. I've always wondered what kinds of isotopes you could make with one. The next "radioactive boyscout" might use them. If you aren't familiar with that story, google it.

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  3. Re:probably not first post anymore by hpa · · Score: 3, Informative

    Quite. ITER follows in the steps of the Joint European Torus (JET), and other research reactor. It is not aimed at achieve power plant break even (that is slated for the followon project, DEMO) nor economical breakeven (that would come after DEMO).

  4. T-O-K-A-M-A-K by Scareduck · · Score: 4, Informative

    SPELLING FAIL.

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  5. Re:As an American.... by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 4, Informative

    Shame about the whole 3 strikes business and kicking the Roma's out of the country...

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  6. Not French by gpig · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's an international reactor, hence the "I" in ITER.

    Duh.

  7. 50 Years Away? by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm sure Fusion was only 20 years away when I was a kid 30 years ago.

  8. Re:probably not first post anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, ITER is intended to demonstrate a useful amount of energy production from fusion. It's baseline design is for Q=10, i.e. 10 times more power out from fusion than put in. This is essentially a feasibility demonstration, and experimental test bed for things like wall modules and blankets. The follow-on (DEMO) will then be a prototype power plant, and actually be connected up to generators etc.

    ps. though AC, also a plasma physicist working on tokamaks

  9. Re:ITER will be one of the many Tokamaks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are two main reasons why it is thought that ITER can achieve more power out than in (10 times more in fact)

    1. It is about 8 times the plasma volume of JET (about 2x in each direction). The temperature gradients in tokamaks have limits (things like Ion Temperature Gradient mode-driven turbulence) so the bigger you make the machine the hotter you can make the middle of the plasma and the better your performance. The problem with this is that the power output goes like the volume, but the area this power is deposited on goes like the area. Hence why small fusion plants would be nice, and materials are the biggest issue for ITER and DEMO

    2. They will be using Tritium in ITER. Tokamaks today have only very rarely used tritium (e.g. JET, JT60-U) to produce more power out than in (very briefly 1s). This is because the plasma physics doesn't really change when you add Tritium, so experiments use Deuterium which is much cheaper and less dangerous (e.g. radioactive). At 100 million degrees, the D-D fusion rate is still pretty small and so the amount of fusion energy produced is tiny. The D-T rate is orders of magnitude higher and so significant power can be produced

    p.s. Yes, AC plasma physicist

  10. Re:Oh well... by swamp_ig · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fortunatly the magnetic confinement techniques they'll be using doesn't fail at any particular temperature. RTFM!

  11. Re:Le Daily News - 9/15/2060 by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Informative

    The burning crater formerly known was France has successfully performed its first and last Fusion reaction.

    ~FIXED

    Good joke, but I'm sorry to spoil it with a few facts. It's very difficult to make fusion happen in a reactor. The best you can do is get a small fraction of the deuterium and tritium present in the reactor to fuse at any moment. Even if you could get all of the fuel present in the reactor to undergo fusion all at once (a physical impossibility) the total amount of energy released would do no worse than demolish the reactor building. So no crater, not even a small one.

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  12. Re:Oh well... by Altrag · · Score: 5, Informative

    Which is still a tiny bit short of the 100,000,000K that they're looking at. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iter#Reactor_overview.

  13. Not French !! by Liquid+Len · · Score: 4, Informative

    I said it earlier and I'll say it again: this is *not* a French reactor. It may be physically based in France, but it's an international endeavour. There's already a tokamak in operation, located in England and operated by the whole EC: it's called JET, for "Joint European Torus".

  14. Re:ITER will be one of the many Tokamaks. by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Q on fusors is lower than 1e-6. More like 1e-12 or even 1e-15. A Q of .1 would produce about 5e10 neutrons per second. They typically run at at kilowatt levels which would imply a neutrons level of 5e13 per sec. They currently produce about 1e8 or less neutrons per sec.

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