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SCO Puts Unix Assets On the Block

itwbennett writes "SCO Group announced Thursday that it plans to auction off most of its Unix assets, including 'certain UNIX system V software products and related services,' ITworld reports. 'This asset sale is an important step forward in ensuring business continuity for our customers around the world,' said Ken Nielsen, SCO chief financial officer, in a statement. 'Our goal is to ensure continued viability for SCO, its customers, employees and the Unix technology.' Interested parties must submit a bid for the assets by Oct. 5."

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  1. $1.73 million by jbeaupre · · Score: 5, Informative

    $1.73 million buys the whole company. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SCOXQ.PK

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    1. Re:$1.73 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      $1.73 million buys the whole company.

      There aren't any shares being sold (Ask N/A), so you can't buy any. You could try putting in a bid, there's none of those either.

  2. Re:Can they do that? by JDmetro · · Score: 2, Informative
  3. What assets? by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unless by "assets" you mean "little asses", I don't think SCO has any. Besides which, can't Novell confiscate assets as part of the settlement of it's lawsuit? Seems to me there are a lot of interested parties that would request the judge freeze any sale of assets.

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  4. Caldera (caldera) - noun by Picass0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A smoldering hole in the ground, watched by many for signs of activity leading to great destruction. Usually produces little more than some noise and gas.

  5. They already did! by FranTaylor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Xenix anyone?

    1. Re:They already did! by mrbill1234 · · Score: 2, Informative

      SCO Unix is not Xenix. SCO UNIX was based on System V R3 - Xenix was based on - Xenix :-)

      Xenix came from Microsoft. It originally ran on the 8086, then the 80286, then a 32-bit version was released.

      SCO UNIX only ran on a 32-bit processor (386 and above).

      Xenix was a pretty nice OS - available WAY before any other UNIX like OS ran on commodity hardware. You could easly run 16 serial terminals on a 286. Running 4 terminals on an 8086 was also no problem at all.

      Of course, this was all when SCO was "The Santa Cruz Operation" - the original SCO - not the new "SCO Group" which it ended up being called after being bought by Caldera.

    2. Re:They already did! by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft no longer owns Xenix, SCO does (no seriously). SCO Unix is Xenix.

      You gotta love slashdot mods: "informative" my ass.

      SCO Unix is not Xenix. SCO Unix is not even Xenix compatible.

      Here's what happened:

      1. Microsoft write their first Operating system, a 16 bit version of Unix for the 8086, called Xenix because at that point you weren't allowed to call it Unix unless you were AT&T.
      2. SCO buy a license to Xenix and make some 286 versions of it.
      3. AT&T and Interactive port Unix SVR3 to the 386
      4. SCO ports Xenix to the 386
      5. AT&T and SCO make Unix SVR3.2, which is Xenix compatible, for the 386. At this point if you boot Unix SVR3.2 you see a Microsoft copyright,
      6. SCO starts selling SCO Unix (SVR3.2), eventually abandoning Xenix, but still paying licensing to Microsoft for the Xenix compatibility code.
      7. AT&T and Sun produce Unix SVR4, merging some Sunos stuff into SysV, still licensing stuff from Microsoft
      8. AT&T and Novell produce UnixWare, SVR4.2, still licensing stuff from Microsoft
      9. AT&T sells Unix to Novell
      10. Novell sells UnixWare (but not Unix) to SCO
      11. SCO produces various versions of UnixWare, still paying licensing to Microsoft. It starts proceedings against Microsoft (In the European court of justice AFAIR) and was finally released from the licensing deal if it removed the Xenix compatibility code from UnixWare, which it did.
      12. SCO was still selling SCO Unix (now SCO OpenServer) the SVR3.4 based system which includes the Xenix compatibility code alongside UnixWare, which now didn't.
      13. SCO sells UnixWare and OpenServer to Caldera (it's more complicated than that, but...)
      14. Caldera (having renamed themselves [T]SCO[G]) replace the SVR3.2 kernel in OpenServer with the "SVR5" (SVR4.2 renamed for marketing reasons) kernel from UnixWare, so OpenServer no longer needs licensing from Microsoft.

      So not only do [T]SCO[G] not own Xenix, they don't sell Xenix, and they aren't even Xenix compatible.

      Maybe I obsess to much about this nonsense? See my pseudo.

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  6. Re:Microsoft Should Buy Them by Enry · · Score: 5, Informative

    I see you're not familiar with Xenix.

  7. Re:Can they do that? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Informative

    Spun wrote

    They didn't say they own Unix, this time.

    Press Release says

    Even as it continues to battle for Unix ownership in court, the SCO Group plans to auction off most all of its Unix assets, including "certain UNIX system V software products and related services,"

    Yes they are certainly still claiming ownership of Unix.

    A Judge enjoin them from selling anything while the lawsuits against them are adjudicated.

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  8. Re:SCO's Auctions.... by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Unix name is owned by the Open Group, which certifies a system (eg, AIX, OS X, Solaris) as being Unix.

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  9. Re:Microsoft Should Buy Them by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, Microsoft was a concerned enough corporate citizen that they were the FIRST to pay big money to acquire a license to said technology. That was even before SCO found the money to start all the lawsuits, ironically.

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  10. Re:They are trying to get bought by AnonymousClown · · Score: 3, Informative

    This will make their debt the responsebillity of the buyer and not the management

    No it won't. They're only selling the assets and not the business entity. If they were selling the whole SCO enitiy - if someone bought all the outstanding common stock - then you would be correct, IIRC business law.

    If you look at most business sales, the buyer only purchases the assets - includes any trademarks and other IP. Sometimes, as part of the deal, the buyer will take on some of the debt. SCO is in bankruptcy, this is strictly an asset sale and the proceeds will go to the creditors.

    It goes for the liabilities too. By purchasing just the assets, the previous entity keeps the liabilities (lawsuits, judgments, and years ago, any environmental liabilities). That's the basics and there's a shit load of subtleties that the lawyers worry about - especially when it comes to environmental problems.

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  11. Groklaw coverage of the event by mrflash818 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Groklaw has mention of the event, too:

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100916121940186

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  12. Re:Microsoft Should Buy Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Haha no, it doesn't even have an X server or the GNU toolchain out of box.

  13. Re:Can they do that? by ImprovOmega · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, the Unix trademark is owned by The Open Group. You can't call your OS Unix without going through them. The argument SCO was trying to make was that AT&T sold the original Unix source tree copyrights to Novell (which did happen - Novell paid ~$300 million for it), but that then Novell turned around and sold the copyrights to SCO (which did *not* happen - the deal with SCO was for ~$50 million about 2-3 years after the AT&T deal). Instead, SCO actually bought rights to develop and market their own version of Unix (called Unixware) and access to a number of distribution channels, plus kickbacks for collecting Unix licensing revenues for Novell (SCO got 5% as an administrative fee).

    Of course, everything was cool until about 8 years after the original agreement, after the company changed hands about 3 times and new management took over. At which point Darl McBride and company started jumping up and down screaming "WE OWN UNIX!!" and suing/threatening to sue everyone and their mother. The nonsensical litigation dragged on for these past 7 years, with IBM and Novell being the primary players (Novell has judgments in their favor declaring that they do, in fact, own the Unix copyrights - SCO is appealing, naturally).

    At this point in our sad, sad story, SCO is in chapter 11 bankruptcy (and has been for over three years) with a trustee now running things. Because the lawyers are pre-paid through all litigation and appeals, it looks good on paper to continue the litigation lottery in hopes of getting some settlement to shut up. Of course, IBM has a point to prove, and the Unix copyrights are worth too much to Novell to suffer an adverse judgment, so SCO will get nothing there.

    Anyway, with that backstory told, my point is that the bankruptcy judge hasn't enjoined them from anything, in fact he's approved the terms of the auction. So there is no legal hurdle to prevent them from doing this. Though it is definitely a case of "caveat emptor" because the buyer may end up with a whole lot of nothing when all is said and done.

  14. Re:Let's bid on it by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unlike most commercial Unixes, it's never really had any cutting edge features (unless you consider "runs on x86 hardware" to be cutting edge, which it may have been twenty-odd years ago)

    Well, 30 years ago Microsoft Xenix supported five users concurrently on an 8086 processor with 512K of RAM. The users connected to serial ports on the box and used dumb terminals. It's a somewhat impressive accomplishment. I still have one of them, an Altos 586.