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Airbus Planning Transparent Planes

goG writes "European aircraft manufacturer Airbus has come up with the idea to build a passenger flight with a completely transparent fuselage. The central body of the aircraft will allow passengers to the see the stars above and city lights below. 'The planes of the future will offer an unparalleled, unobstructed view of the wonders of the five continents — where you will be able see the pyramids or the Eiffel Tower through the transparent floor of the aircraft,' Airbus said while unveiling the concept 'The Future By Airbus' earlier this year."

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  1. This would scare the hell out of me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I dunno about anyone else, but knowing there is something non-transparent and solid around me is about the only thing that makes flying semi-sane for me. ;)

    1. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm with you, man. I'm not afraid of heights, but the idea of experiencing a steep banking turn with a transparent fuselage makes fairly nauseous.

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    2. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have a fear of falling (and the more likely to my brain falling is the more the fear kicks in), glass or transparent anything that I'd stand, sit, or other hope to hell is going to support me would give me a full blown panic attack...

      Btw lots of people tell me it's just a fear of heights, except I'm fine on high things that seem solid and unlikely to fall... A cabin on the top of a 'mountain', won't bother me. A thin metal bar on the edge of a bridge 200 feet overlooking the ground (or water) makes me nervous. The transparent flooring on the upper level of a skyscrapper I once visited was another to have me curled up on the floor...

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    3. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by EdZ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, you don't have a fear of heights, you have a fear of depths.

    4. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Funny

      the idea of experiencing a steep banking turn with a transparent fuselage makes fairly nauseous.

      Don't worry it sounds like it's a self correcting problem...

    5. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by sconeu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Join the club. I'm fine with flying, but I freak out at steep drops that I'm "connected" to. My daughters thought it was hilarious when I lost it at the Grand Canyon, and I was nervous all throughout dinner when we ate at the top of the Stratosphere (not my choice).

      Given that I almost panicked on the Palm Springs aerial tramway, I suspect that I'd go into full-blown panic mode on a plane that did that.

      Airbus may be able to make a plane like this. I doubt that they'll sell many to commercial airlines, due to liability concerns over people with acrophobia. There may be a niche market for sightseeing etc...

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    6. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a fear of falling (and the more likely to my brain falling is the more the fear kicks in), glass or transparent anything that I'd stand, sit, or other hope to hell is going to support me would give me a full blown panic attack...

      Truth be told, it scares us too. The main reason we're developing these airplanes is for the youtube videos of people falling asleep on the planes, waking up, looking at the floor, and freaking out.

      sincerely,
      Airbus

    7. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by berzerke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Airbus may be able to make a plane like this. I doubt that they'll sell many to commercial airlines, due to liability concerns over people with acrophobia. There may be a niche market for sightseeing etc...

      I don't know. It might be great for in-flight sales of alcohol and valium like drugs.

    8. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by syousef · · Score: 3

      Don't worry. Last time I checked luggage and cargo was not transparent, planes required wiring etc. etc. This is just ill thought out marketing BS.

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    9. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by sconeu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, that's a better way of phrasing it. Edges.

      I'm fine inside a skyscraper with a standard vertical window. If it tilts out so that I feel like I'm leaning over the edge, that's the trigger.

      At the G.C., though, i couldn't get within 20 feet of the edge where the observation point was. How that Native American tribe gets people to do the Skywalk thing, I have no idea.

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    10. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This year, purchased a ticket at the Shanghai World Financial Center for a ride to the top. The top floor is that bridge area. Part of the floor has transparent (thick) tiles about two feet wide running lengthwise in the center.

      I'll never forget when I first stepped on one. I scooted to the side ASAP! For a moment, I had visions of it cracking and me falling right through. After ten minutes or so, I sheepishly started walking on it like any normal tile. Reason being, I wanted to take some nice photos.

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    11. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've flown on old Bell Huey Helicopters with the doors wide open (I guess the helicopters themselves weren't that old at the time). When the pilot makes a hard turn the whole body goes perpendicular to the ground, and if you are say, on the right side of the helicopter when it is making a right turn, you are stuck to the floor by centrifugal force and are staring straight down at the ground with nothing between you and it but air. A little unnerving at first. And if you happen to be carrying a lot of weight, it is best to hold on to the posts or better yet buckle in to a harness. A buddy of mine almost slid out.

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    12. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by alanshot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not necessarily.

      your brain works in mysterious ways.

      There is an interesting phenomenon that I dont recall the name for. basically the reason you freak in a skyscraper but not in a plane is the fact that there is nothing in your view to "connect" you to the ground.

      when you are in a skyscraper, your brain sees the line of the building to the ground, makes the connection and says "F***! I'm high up!".

      In an aircraft, there isn nothing for your brain to connect the plane to the ground, so you are less prone to that freak out.

      Point of fact: Im DEATHLY afraid of heights. I cant climb a 20' ladder without freaking out. Yet as a skydiving instructor for the past 8 years, I regularly fly (calmly) to altitude sitting on the floor of an airplane by an open cargo door as it climbs to altitude (often with my a** inches from the edge, and my leg dangling outside). from 5' to 14,000 feet I can look out the door calmly and marvel at the view. (but have trouble climbing a 150' firewatch tower in a nearby forest)

        interesting question: what about he baggage in the cargo hold? wont that get in the way of the purty view?

    13. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by davester666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It makes joining the mile-high club that much more interesting...

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    14. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by xtracto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know you are joking, but I guess in reality when people look at the floor in such airplanes the only thing they will see is their luggage...

      Now, that might be a good idea so that you can check that the airline is (or is not...) uploading your luggage before take off.

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    15. Re:This would scare the hell out of me by ultranova · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, it's those shades that keep the blinding light of the sun out of my eyes when flying above the clouds. I imagine only the floor would be transparent one would hope so that passengers could actually enjoy a comfortable flight without worry about having to suffer permanent blindness.

      Carefully feel above and below your eyes. Feel those flaps of skin? They're called eyelids. You can close them whenver you want to reduce the level of light that enters your eyes. Try it now. Don't use your fingers, they come with their own muscles. You might need to exercise those muscles if you haven't used them previously.

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  2. I for one by KillaGouge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would really love to fly on an aircraft that was designed like this. I enjoy flying and would really love to see everything bellow. The only problem is the baggage compartment, and the routing of the wire, hoses, and conduit.

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    1. Re:I for one by Speare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A thousand other replies followed yours, with every variation of Wonder Woman, transparent cargo, wiring and bathrooms. Congrats on being fastest, or first to get an Insightful mod.

      Personally, I think that temperature regulation and solar dazzle will be a lot harder problem. Already, flying north or south near sunset can have a noticeable impact on cabin temperatures, and everyone slides the blinds closed on the sunward side. What if you don't have those options? You're going to be the ant in the jar, left to sweat it out in the direct sunlight. Such a plane would be suitable only for short excursion use.

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    2. Re:I for one by rhook · · Score: 2, Informative

      And you all missed this part FTFA.

      "walls that become see-through at the touch of a button"

      Sounds a lot like those windows you can make transparent or tinted at the push of a button.

    3. Re:I for one by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed.

      Try going up in a hot-air balloon some time. Being able to see all around you, most of the way below, and a good portion of above -- all at once -- from even a few hundred feet off the ground is really spectacular. I'd expect that at airliner altitudes, it would be even more so. Not as much detail visible on the ground, of course, but the scale of the view would be worth it.

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    4. Re:I for one by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are several Russian companies that suck even more. After them... Well, there aren't a lot of companies putting really new designs in the air, lot like there were 30 years ago when just the US manufacturers included Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, and Lockheed. Europe had its own set, and the Soviets had a few more. Kind of a shame that the competition isn't like that anymore.

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    5. Re:I for one by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "On most trips, there is not a whole lot to see."

      Maybe not, but that's not the point. With a non-transparent wall you can't see shit... except the wall. ANYTHING beats starting at the wall/floor/etc. Even if it's just a lot of water, it's still better than staring at the wall.

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    6. Re:I for one by mtrachtenberg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Welcome on board Budget Air's glass glider. As is always the case on Budget Air, bathroom use is completely complimentary. Curtains may be purchased from any flight attendant.

  3. I wonder... by Mogster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it perchance piloted by Amazonian princesses? If so I'm in

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  4. it would be awesome, but impossible by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can you make all of the airplane transparent? It's probably not possible with most of it at all, given how many wires, pipes, tubes, insulation, bolts and nuts there are there.

    I would love to fly a fully transparent plane though, completely transparent, that would be super awesome!

    Except that there would be other passengers there to spoil the view, and fuel. That would be weird.

    1. Re:it would be awesome, but impossible by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, there might be other passengers, but at least everyone else could enjoy it when a couple joins the mile high club.

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    2. Re:it would be awesome, but impossible by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

      Given the size of an average American, do you really want to see any of that?

    3. Re:it would be awesome, but impossible by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I may not want to see it, but Rule 34 would imply that someone does.

      Besides, there are international flights.

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  5. Transparent luggage? by DrData99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    And the baggage in the luggage compartment won't affect the view? Really?

    1. Re:Transparent luggage? by guardiangod · · Score: 2, Funny

      You fool! We are the baggage! The luggage will be in the passenger compartment. Now down you go!

  6. I hope... by Muckluck · · Score: 2, Funny

    the bathrooms are not transparent. Or maybe I don't...

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  7. Re:Cue the transparent aluminum jokes by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 2

    > Commence Star Trek references in 3... 2... 1...

    How quaint.

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  8. Re:Cue the transparent aluminum jokes by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now that airlines are forcing larger passengers to buy double seats, all I can say is:

    "There be whales here!"

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  9. Re:Waste by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe whole-plane parachutes? I'd take that before a transparent one any day.

    They exist; they're just so heavy and so unlikely to be useful that no-one is willing to take the performance hit for installing such a system on an airliner. If I remember correctly, the proposed system I saw some years ago for a 747 required 14 large parachutes spread around the plane.

    Plus you're more likely to scare people off by doing so than gain new passengers; who wants to fly on an airline which is so scared of their planes crashing that they fit parachutes to them?

  10. Or what will actually happen. by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Transparent ceramic planes using super-expensive future technology that will take years and years to actually make work! It'll be awesome! You'll be able to see through the plane! Except for the fuel, seats, luggage compartments, probably the floor, A/C ducting, electrical conduit, the bulkhead separating you from the pilot, the bathrooms in the back...

    Or I guess we could just make the windows a little bigger.

    1. Re:Or what will actually happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You won't see as much, but you sure will feel the sun when you're sitting on the tarmac for a few hours because there aren't enough takeoff slots at JFK/ORD/ATL.

  11. Transparent by pitterpatter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Clear hydraulic fluid in clear lines; transparent aluminum wiring in nylon insulation. What a concept!

  12. Re:An interesting idea by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Funny

    The next concept after that is for a double decker, with flight attendants wearing miniskirts and no panties. Upper deck seats cost double.

    ...

    Oh and did i mention that the flight attendants are all male?

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  13. Awesome by jewishbaconzombies · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now we can scare the bejeezus out of people who are suffering from both Aviatophobia (fear of flying), AND Acrophobia (fear of heights). Give the passengers some double strength espresso and now you've got a show! Woo-ga!

    1. Re:Awesome by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, I guess claustrophobics will like it.

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  14. Probability zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    H. Sapiens has a built in fear of heights. Take a six month old kid and try to get him to crawl over a pane of glass suspended at a meter's altitude - no go. It's been tested, after reaching a certain age he won't do it. He has figured out the dangers of the Z coordinate.

    Now stuff a hundred people on a plane and repeat the experiment. You'll have people screaming in terror as they fight to reach the exits. However much you rationalize it, fear of heights is built in into the average H. Sapiens brain.

  15. B.S. detector fodder by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh come on, no way is this going to happen or work. It's not like the plane only holds the passenger compartment, and I can't see going to the effort to give the passengers a good view of the luggage, extra cargo, and distressed pets, which will all block the view, as well as letting the passengers see the condition of the wiring, landing gear and other controls. And even if the airlines really wanted to do this and found a way for all of the extra stuff to not block the view, the thickness of the curved hull would so drastically distort the view that it would not be worth doing.

    It would be far simpler with today's technology to give everyone individual steerable, zoomable access to video cameras. I don't expect that to happen, and I don't believe that Airbus will ever build Wonder Woman's plane, the passenger version.

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  16. Deja vu all over again... by cptdondo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I remember the concepts for the 747... Piano lounge upstairs with a bar. Private cabins. Luxurious accomodations.

    Didn't take long for the 747 to become a large cattle car. Any bets on how long the luxury will last?

    1. Re:Deja vu all over again... by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I remember the concepts for the 747... Piano lounge upstairs with a bar. Private cabins. Luxurious accomodations.

      How much were you prepared to pay for that?

      Didn't take long for the 747 to become a large cattle car.

      How important is price in your choice of airline?

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  17. Underpants salesman by DigitalCrackPipe · · Score: 4, Funny

    I figured out what step 2 is!

    Sell underpants to passengers who freak out when they can see the ground 30,000 feet directly below them.

  18. Re:OMG YES! by sycodon · · Score: 5, Funny

    "see the pyramids or the Eiffel Tower through the transparent floor of the aircraft"

    Vomit is transparent?

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  19. Since the fuselage is built out of imaginary stuff by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...we can posit imaginary transparent stuff for the wire, hoses, and conduit as well. We can even imagine that we can tailor its refractive index so that it truly appears "invisible", not just "clear".

  20. What if I'd like to take a nap? by JimWise · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would be a bit tough to close the shade on something like this to keep the sun off your face when you wanted to take a nap since it could be coming in from any angle. The first handful of times on a transparent flight, night or day, would be quite an experience, but sadly just like normal flight today the novelty would eventually dissipate.

  21. General Products by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just wait, tomorrow Airbus will announce it is changing its name to "General Products", then the fun will really start....

  22. Niven not Star Trek by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think they've been reading Niven not Star Trek. In particular it sounds like they are going after the General Products #3 hull.

  23. Re:Waste by misexistentialist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If price only mattered people would ride donkeys rather than fly. Crash-proof planes would be extremely popular. At least until the first one crashed.

  24. Clearly, ( :-D ) , they haven't a clue by haruchai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Toronto's CN Tower has a glass floor, about a 1/4 mile above street level and there are many, many people who can't muster the nerve to walk out on it.
      I can only imagine how relaxing it'll be for Joe Sixpack to have an unrestricted view of a flock of geese flying into the engine before all goes hurtling to that most
    welcoming of places we call Terra Firma.

    Not to mention just how much more gruesome plane crashes will be since anyone within visual range will have a lovely view of the innards, both the planes and the
    dead or dying passengers.

    Good plan, Mr Airbus Man.

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  25. European Heaven and Hell by DieByWire · · Score: 4, Funny

    Airbus engineers once again prove the old adage about European heaven and hell.

    In European heaven, the British are the police, the French are the cooks, the Germans are the engineers, the Italians are the lovers and the Swiss run the government.

    In European hell, the British are the cooks, the French are the engineers, the Germans are the police, the Italians run the government, and the Swiss are the lovers.

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  26. Re:OMG YES! by monkeySauce · · Score: 3, Funny

    Depends on the in-flight meal. So I guess it's Jello or nothing on the transparent plane.

  27. Re:Right... by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Puppeteer should be capitalized, as it is a proper noun in this context- it's not some puppeteers, it's the Peirson's Puppeteers that are complaining.

    (And usig an a Android tablet to post with sucks.)

  28. Re:Right... by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's all right. If they confront me about it, I'll just yell "boo" and we won't see them again for a century...

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  29. Painted ransparent planes by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone here seems to be seeing only the increased view a transparent fuselage would provide. There may be another benefit: less weak points. Every time you make a hole in your fuselage, such as for a window, you are increasing the number of potential weak points. Imagine now the whole fuselage being one transparent piece, you reduce this problem. Anywhere you don't want people seeing out can simply be painted over.

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    1. Re:Painted ransparent planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The weakpoints what window holes are causing would demand that there is no skeleton in the fuselage but it is just aluminium and blastic.

      We all should know that every passenger jet has a big strong skeleton. It is aready needed for different floors and to have strong body/wings connection (what btw, is the weakest point in the whole plane). There is no such material what can be as strong as titanium and other metal materials for the skeleton and still offer a 90% invisibility like a glass and plastic.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boeing_747_Le_Bourget_FRA_002.jpg

      As you can see, the fuselag frames and stringers are very much filling the whole space. Skin is just small portition of the fuselag.
      But the back part is littlebit different thing. There it would be easy to replace the skin with transparent material, but still you would have frames etc there.

      The skin itself does not make so big difference for the weakpoints, it is everywhere else. Thats why airplanes windows are so small that you can fit them between frames and stringers. Causing no weakpoints. And the plastic used them is so thik that you can not even benetrate them with 9mm gun (9mm is designed with strong stop power, but very weak penetration power, so you can use it in hostage situations inside easily, without worring does it make a whole to a wall. It does penetrate tables, light wooden doors or hollow metallic doors).

      And what Boing really is doing, is to make the upper part of the fuselag transparent. From floor level to middle where is going to be a strong string from back to the front. And where the cables, lights and other stuff will be places, like passengers handbacks and backpacks and so on.

      So only partically you can add a transparent parts to fuselag, not the whole fuselag.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Airbus_A340_Intérieur_Fuselage_Arrière.JPG

    2. Re:Painted ransparent planes by N+Monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about replacing the tiny windows with decent cameras and screens?

      Some years ago, one airline my parents flew on had a camera looking forwards and down from the nose of the plane. You could get a (better than?) pilot's view of the take-off and landing.

  30. good for competition by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Funny

    In a joint statement, the chief executives of British Rail, Société Nationale des Chemins de Français, Deutsche Bahn, Österreichische Bundesbahnen, Ferrovie dello Stato, Nederlandse Spoorwegen, Schweizerische Bundesbahnen, Renfe Operadora, Norges Statsbaner, and several other European rail companies applauded the idea, saying it would help to increase competition in the market for European travel.

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  31. You won't see anything anyway by gullevek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What do you want to see at the bottom? Boxes and boxes and more boxes ... and on the top. cables, cables and more cables. See-through-fuselage-my-ass I say.

    I see this more a too early 1st April joke ... Unless they magically add some lights, call buttons, etc and make the floor where the seats are connected and the boxes and the boxes contents (aka luggage) transparent there won't be anything more to see anyway.

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  32. That gives me e great idea by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Funny

    That gives me e great idea. Fully reclining seats and nudist sunbathing flights.

    1. Re:That gives me e great idea by Stele · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh, have you SEEN most nudists and/or airline passengers? No thanks!

  33. Glare...? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I often have to take sunglasses on board during daytime flights -- the bright sunlight gives me a cracking headache, even with just the small windows. Increasing the light reaching the interior isn't going to make that any better...

    HAL.

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