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Steve Wiebe is the King of Kong Again

Anyone who watched 'The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters' knows the epic struggle for global Kong dominance waged by Steve Wiebe and Billy Mitchell. Wiebe took back the crown by scoring 1,064,500-points which was officially verified. And if you haven't seen the movie, go watch it. You won't be sorry.

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  1. Re:Worth watching by rotide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Billy Mitchell really came off as a douche willing to do whatever it takes to win, including cheat. Although, with any type of editing, it's easy for the author to portray a person in whatever way they choose.

    Either way, congrats to Wiebe!

  2. Is he still married? by digitalderbs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm very happy that he won, but is he still married? From the documentary, it looked like his playing was tough on his family life. I couldn't imagine how much more dedication would be needed to beat Mitchell's top score--probably a lot more than what we saw in the movie.

  3. For anyone interested... by dzfoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    there's a Donkey Kong kill-screen coming up.

          -dZ.

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    1. Re:For anyone interested... by ArcadeNut · · Score: 4, Informative

      A "kill-screen" in a game is when the high score overflows its boundaries and corrupts the rest of memory, typically video memory, which causes the game to display in a way that is unplayable. The result is either the game crashing or the player losing a game life.

              -dZ.

      You're a little off. Scores overflowing don't usually cause this type of issue. They could, but it's less likely.

      Kill screens are typically because of either the number of lives or the level of the game goes beyond 127 (or 255).

      PacMan for example has the issue when you go beyond Level 255, the level goes back to 0. The level is used as an offset. Well, for the normal game (when the game starts), the offset is 1. Think of it as accessing an Array outside its bounds. So what you wind up with is the famous split screen that you can't get past.

      Gravitar (and a whole host of other games) has an issue with the number of lives if you go beyond 127 because it uses a signed integer to track the number of lives. So once you hit your 129th extra life, the game actually thinks you have -2 lives. Then you die, it subtracts 1, you now have less then 1 life left and you die, game over.

      In the case of Donkey Kong, it's based on the number of levels as the game dies in the same exact spot every time.

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  4. Re:Worth watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The filmmaker did a fabulous job of creating a compelling story with interesting characters, where there was no story, and nothing but boring people. All the scripted 'reality' directors on TV these days should take note of this film, it should be their Citizen Kane.

    However, I wouldn't infer too much about what people are really like based on it.

    Think of the editting of Homer's TV NewsZine interview when he was accused of sexual harassment.

  5. So depressing by tenzig_112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now maybe he can spend some time with his kids. The scene in the documentary with him playing DK while his kids were asking for his help really depressed me. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, I just hope he uses this as an impetus to start being a dad.

    1. Re:So depressing by zero_out · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. If anything I think the kid needed that lesson. If he cut himself with scissors, I'm sure his father would have come running. He was four years of age, and wanted his father to come wipe is butt. At some point, a kid needs to understand that he's not the center of the universe, and he can do some things on his own. At some point, you have to let a baby cry itself to sleep, and at some point, a kid needs to wipe his own butt.

    2. Re:So depressing by WankersRevenge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dude ... believe it or not ... sometimes doing the things that you love helps you be a better dad. His kids are probably much happier than if he kept that tension locked inside of him just so he can spend more time with them and yes, be happy to be with them. Some call it "cave time" - ie, get out of my face so I can process. Otherwise, internal tension would be released in other ways to the detriment of the entire family which is far worse.

      And really, kids will crawl all over you no matter what you do. I work from home and the days when my daughter isn't at daycare when my wife is home, she's basically jumping on my computer for my attention. Put a camera crew in my room and I'd look like a workaholic neglectful dad.

    3. Re:So depressing by zero_out · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Marriage is hard. In fact, it's harder than many contents. Just look at Lance Armstrong. It was easier for him to win 7 consecutive Tour de France titles than for him to be married. His cycling career was very successful, while his marriage was a failure.

    4. Re:So depressing by DanCentury · · Score: 5, Funny

      The damage is done. 10 years from now his daughter will get her revenge for years of fatherly neglect by dating a geriatric yet suave Billy Mitchell.

    5. Re:So depressing by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And? I don't think the best time to determine when your child is ready is when it happen to be inconvenient to video game playing.
      And you certainly don't just stop helping with talking to the child about it. The reeks of apathy toward the child, and Apathy is the opposite of love.

      I didn't see them movie, so the kid could be 20 for all I know, but your attitude is wrong and exemplifies bad parenting.

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    6. Re:So depressing by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Funny

      In all fairness, he didn't use any marriage drugs.

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    7. Re:So depressing by Tetsujin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not a parent

      Then I think that should be the beginning and end of your advice about parenting.

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    8. Re:So depressing by Surt · · Score: 2, Funny

      She found it easy because she loved using my money in her quest to ride the dick of every other guy in town.

      Prostitution: you're doing it wrong.

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    9. Re:So depressing by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude ... believe it or not ... sometimes doing the things that you love helps you be a better dad. His kids are probably much happier than if he kept that tension locked inside of him just so he can spend more time with them and yes, be happy to be with them. Some call it "cave time" - ie, get out of my face so I can process. Otherwise, internal tension would be released in other ways to the detriment of the entire family which is far worse.

      And really, kids will crawl all over you no matter what you do. I work from home and the days when my daughter isn't at daycare when my wife is home, she's basically jumping on my computer for my attention. Put a camera crew in my room and I'd look like a workaholic neglectful dad.

      What a bunch of self indulgent horse shit. Kids can crawl all over you while you smoke, get drunk and slap them around. But that wouldn't make you a good dad. It would make you an abusive drunk asshole. Just because you're around your kids doesn't mean you're giving them what they need. You have to limit the "me" time to something reasonable and even during that me time set a good example. Can't believe shit like yours gets modded up. Goes to show most slashdotters might know a lot about tech but are selfish idiots who know nothing about child rearing.

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    10. Re:So depressing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not a parent

      Then I think that should be the beginning and end of your advice about parenting.

      Hmmm, Are you saying we can no longer learn by observing?
      Are you saying that we should not pass on info on things we have learned by observing?
      Are you saying that the poster was raised by wolves and has had no chance to observe successes and failures when it comes to human parenting?
      would you say the eldest of 12 children in a nice Irish Catholic family will not have parenting experience until they have kids of their own?

      Are you suggesting that you would raise your children through a strict program of trial and error?
      Would you only accept info from other certified parents, say like Jenny McCarthy's followers do?

      Just because you have bred, doesn't make you the exclusive holder of all knowledge about parenting.

      We all get a chance to see people succeed and fail at parenting (and many other things), every day. If we are smart we file these into "good idea" "bad idea" tables so we have this info accessible should we ever leave Slashdot and breed.

    11. Re:So depressing by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What a troll. He's talking about working hours and having kids at home at that time for whatever circumstance. Would you call him indulgent if he was clocking in an office without even being near his kids for 8-10 hours a day?

      First, he was talking about "doing the things you love" not spending time with his family.

      Second, you don't know the difference between a troll and a different opinion or a difference in circumstance.

      If the only way you can make ends meet is to work 100hr weeks or walk 6 kilometers to fetch water for your family then that is quite simply what you have to do to support them. Then, when you've done that you can talk about time with the family and time for yourself. All this self obsessed I just need me time crap requires not just survival and subsistence but prosperity. Not everyone has that.

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    12. Re:So depressing by jeko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just because you have bred, doesn't make you the exclusive holder of all knowledge about parenting.

      Of course not. But listening to non-parents offer parenting advice is like listening to virgins lecture on sexual technique. :-)

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  6. Careful with Borrowing Character Judgments by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After watching King of Kong I'm extremely happy to hear Wiebe is back on top. Something about Billy Mitchell has never sat right with me.

    Perhaps how the 'documentary' demonized him? Is he egotistical and full of himself? Probably. But it seems the documentary was either not entirely truthful or misrepresented time lines. I met Walter Day at the Mall of America in college and will say that in the few minutes I chatted with him he was the kindest and most honest person I have met. If Walter Day doesn't think Billy Mitchell is pure evil than neither do I. If Billy had tried to do anything truly sinister I think Day would have short circuited it and I'm not clear on whether or not the mailed in tape that beat Wiebe in the documentary was actually accepted.

    I'd be careful to accept something as truth when it could have made for gripping cinema. Mitchell is such a villain in the documentary that it's almost too good to be true when juxtaposing him to Wiebe.

    I would caution your "doesn't sit right with me" assessment from a film and point out it's probably as reliable as anything meant to entertain someone can be. Yeah there's probably some truth to it. But Mitchell is no more purely evil than Wiebe is purely good. Selective footage can make it seem that way though. Before you jump all over Mitchell I would suggest you read the this and meet him first. You've selected one single source that is a highly entertaining movie and it has a very high chance of being unfairly biased to represent an epic battle between good and evil. They may be foils of each other in several ways but I would imagine some of it is manufactured to put you on Wiebe's side. Mitchell's devoted a lot of his life to video games and has held other records. The documentary really doesn't seem to investigate the positives of Mitchell as much as it does Wiebe.

    Just something to consider when judging others.

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    1. Re:Careful with Borrowing Character Judgments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok Billy.

  7. Re:Worth watching by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even as much as I love classic arcade games, I haven't seen the movie. Everything I've read about the movie casts it as over-edited to the point of being fictionalized. Here's just one such review.

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  8. Is this with or without the patch?? by dmgxmichael · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is this with or without the ROM hack that removes the kill screen and restores the programmer's original intent for the game?

  9. On Hulu.com by zero_out · · Score: 4, Informative

    I watched that movie on Hulu a couple months back. It is probably still on there, if it hasn't expired. Check it out.

  10. Re:Worth watching by rotide · · Score: 3, Interesting
    That review was written by "Jason Scott". Scroll down that review to post 41 to see what kind of person he is. I'm not saying he's factually incorrect (since I can't verify his claims), but he certainly does _not_ have an unbiased and objective view of the subject.

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    Jason Scott wrote:

    Salutations, Ignorant Fuck.

    A number of weblogs recently linked to this page from out of the blue, leading me to believe you jostled among them and found yourself reading this entry. This might explain your commentary on a page written in February, with multiple clarifying followups, that has otherwise been superceded elsewhere in the five months hence.

    As I sincerely doubt that your filmmaking and film watching career harkens back to the exact moment your choking, bloodied infant form issued forth from your screaming mother, I will assume that you are one of those folks who takes a number of liberties when he constructs his scribbled opinions in the heat of emotion and ignorance. Therefore let me say the following, in an easy to understand list:

    1. This movie and my movie are not the same movie; they did not steal my idea and I did not steal theirs and they do not overlap in subject matter.

    2. I am making several movies.

    3. While movies are, by their nature, edited products, out and out lies and misrepresentation opposite to reality are generally not what people should find “at the finish line” when they assemble their footage.

    Enjoy your filmmaking career and die, slowly and alone, forgotten but for your distant-faced caretakers.

    Posted on 23-Jul-08 at 11:34 pm

  11. Re:Worth watching by Chad+Birch · · Score: 5, Informative

    Suggested reading: Twin Galaxies' Official Statements about "The King of Kong". They probably shouldn't even be allowed to call that movie a "documentary".

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  12. Re:Worth watching by Schnapple · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah it's been stated that the movie's editing makes certain things seem different than how they went down. Stuff like how Billy Mitchell's videotaped score being rejected the following day and Walter Day apologizing to Weibe. And when Weibe's videotaped score was rejected, the record reverted to the other record he set in 2003, not to Mitchell. And Weibe has stated that the scene in the restaurant where Mitchell avoids him leaves out the part that came later where Mitchell came over and apologized for being rude and introduced his wife.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_kong#Disputed_facts

    Weibe is the everyman character we all identify with and Mitchell has an abrasive personality that make for an excellent film. But both men agree that the movie doesn't portray them correctly. Still, it's a great film. What I wonder is - will there ever be a DK score that's literally impossible to beat?

  13. Whats with these ad-whore links? by CrAlt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why not just link to the original story?

    http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=19&id=2264

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  14. Music by necro81 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great, now I'll have "In the Hall of the Mountain King" stuck in my head all day.

  15. Re:Worth watching by Tanktalus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You've never had an off day where you blow up at someone, but then come back to your senses and apologise for it? All that editing needs to do is drop the apology, and you look like a douchebag. With full context, i.e., the apology, you suddenly look much more like a normal human being.

  16. There's enough information in the film by s-whs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After watching King of Kong I'm extremely happy to hear Wiebe is back on top. Something about Billy Mitchell has never sat right with me.

    Perhaps how the 'documentary' demonized him [slashdot.org]? Is he egotistical and full of himself? Probably. But it seems the documentary was either not entirely truthful or misrepresented time lines. I met Walter Day at the Mall of America in college and will say that in the few minutes I chatted with him he was the kindest and most honest person I have met. If Walter Day doesn't think Billy Mitchell is pure evil than neither do I. If Billy had tried to do anything truly sinister I think Day would have short circuited it and I'm not clear on whether or not the mailed in tape that beat Wiebe in the documentary was actually accepted.

    You chatted a few minutes? Under which circumstances? You should know that matters... That's why the film does without doubt portray Billy Mitchell as he is, an asshole. From the previous slashdot story on this as mentioned by others there's a comment by someone who nails it on the head:

    [ SydShamino wrote: ]
    In the film, Billy Mitchell is not portrayed as an asshole. Billy Mitchell is an asshole. The film just portrays him in his natural habitat. It also shows how Twin Galaxies has its own "Good Ol' Boy Network" to identify who it trusts regarding scoring. This comes into play because most high scores are earned at homes, where the proof is a video camera pointed at the screen. Theoretically, someone could modify their boards so that the game acts differently, thereby cheating to win.

    and

    [ SydShamino wrote: ]
    Anyone can play nice for their grandmother or for the cameras. However, there are some things that a person simply does not do if they are a polite, non-asshole person.

    It's not like the film editors put words in his mouth, or manipulated long continuously-filmed scenes where he acts like a dick. It doesn't matter how many kittens he saves during the day, if he does certain things, he's an asshole.

    As to Walter Day, what I noticed most of all is that he said Steve Wiebe 'redeemed' himself. Redeemed? He didn't do anything wrong! He just confirmed his ability that day. As to that dual circuit board that may or may not act differently than a regular one: Not his fault if it did act differently, so W.Day should have said Wiebe confirmed his ability, not that he redeemed himself. And if you think this is just an error, I think not, such things show how people think... Further:

    I'd be careful to accept something as truth when it could have made for gripping cinema. Mitchell is such a villain in the documentary that it's almost too good to be true when juxtaposing him to Wiebe.

    I would caution your "doesn't sit right with me" assessment from a film and point out it's probably as reliable as anything meant to entertain someone can be. Yeah there's probably some truth to it. But Mitchell is no more purely evil than Wiebe is purely good. Selective footage can make it seem that way though. Before you jump all over Mitchell I would suggest you read the this [mtv.com] and meet him first. You've selected one single source that is a highly entertaining movie and it has a very high chance of being unfairly biased to represent an epic battle between good and evil. They may be foils of each other in several ways but I would imagine some of it is manufactured to put you on Wiebe's side. Mitchell's devoted a lot of his life to video games and has held other records. The documentary really doesn't seem to investigate the positives of Mitchell as much as it does Wiebe.

    I read the mtv interview and very little of Mitchell's personality comes through (in fact there's fairly little of his own words in it!), except that he tries to talk his way out stuff. Also, the inaccuracies are more the normal

  17. Re:Worth watching by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Twin Galaxies also has an interesting writeup on the creative license taken by the movie. Don't forget that the apology letter Weibe received was actually immediately after the FunSpot videotape incident, and not years later as implied by editing.

    It's a great movie. It takes the rather dry world of competitive video game playing, and turns it into something eminently watchable. But don't pillory Mitchell for how the filmmakers edited him to seem.