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Xbox Head Proclaims Blu-ray Dead

Blacklaw writes "Microsoft has sided with Apple in a rare case of solidarity between the two companies, and declares that Blu-ray will be 'passed by' as a high-definition format. In many ways, it's hard to disagree. US markets have seen the demand for legal digital downloads of PC games exceed sales of the physical object for the first time, and Apple famously refuses to put a Blu-ray drive in its Macs, as Jobs prefers to send people towards iTunes to download their entertainment. That said, there's an argument for physical media, too. A recent survey suggested that the majority of gamers prefer physical discs, and digital downloads have the secondary effect of entirely cutting out the popular market for second-hand films and games — a plus for publishers, but a big negative for the consumer."

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  1. If indeed, truly sad news by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I never thought I would say it, but I can now quite easily envision a day very soon when all my new media (games, movies, music, TV shows, books, etc.) will belong to studios, software companies, publishers, etc.--with me just renting it. There will be no such thing as buying a used book, or a used videogame. I will never be able to resell any media that I "buy." If the studio decides to have a moritorium on a movie (like Disney so often does), they will just be able to flick a switch at any time and turn my copy of that movie off. Publishers will be able to edit all my books retroactively. When a director decides he doesn't like the ending of his movie, he can change it and force that change on everyone who owns it. If a studio goes bankrupt and takes down their servers, all my movies from them will turn to digital dust. If a judge issues a court order, all copies of a piece of media will evaporate with a single command from a media server somewhere. And when my internet goes down, so does every piece of media I own.

    I will own nothing. The media companies will control how I watch or use my media, when I use it, where I use it, and how long I use it, and even *if* I can use it. I will either be completely at their mercy, or forced to resort to law-breaking to enjoy my own media as I wish.

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    1. Re:If indeed, truly sad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course the customers would complain and whine. The copyright owners, however, backed by the best copyright protection laws money can buy, will make sure they don't get a choice.

      "If you don't like it, don't watch," will the the response of those who buy into the system. "Film your own movies"/"Write your own books"/"Build your own games"/"Perform your own music" will be the response of the copyright conglomerates. And people will and do now, but, good luck distributing anything when all playback devices are locked down. Trusted Computing will prevent you from running apps that aren't signed by huge corporations that can afford to pay the certification and membership fees which really just funnel back to themselves because they belong to the organizations that benefit (see the existing relationships between movie studios and the MPAA).

      Hold on to your unprotected old analog stuff. It'll be pretty valuable once this takes over.

    2. Re:If indeed, truly sad news by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>-with me just renting it.

      Pretty much.

      But before we jump on that bandwagon, let's not forget practical limitations. A Bluray holds 50 gigabytes of data. Downloading that over my 750k DSL connection would take 7 days, and there are a lot of people who don't have even that speed (still suck on dialup). Plus once I've downloaded the file I'll want to store it somewhere permanent, like a Bluray-R so why not just save some time, go to the store, and get the Bluray already conveniently pressed on disc for me?

      Bottom Line - Blurays are not disappearing yet. People like the convenience and instant gratification.

      Also Steve Jobs has a bad habit of burying technology while it's still alive & breathing in the coffin. He famously stopped putting floppies in Macs (1999), when people still needed floppies to trade work files, or to access older archived software, or to revive dead systems, thereby forcing Mac users to spend extra for an external drive. NOW it looks like he's doing the same with DVDs and Blurays - declaring them as "not needed" when they still ARE needed.

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    3. Re:If indeed, truly sad news by StuartHankins · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Really? Once the laws are in place, it becomes illegal to do many of the things we take for granted. It's not only possible, but already happening.
      • Amazon deleting books people bought is one example of taking back rights granted to consumers.
      • My cable company stopped offering a guide channel unless you pay for the digital box -- what happens when the listings are no longer available for free?
      • Maybe you like music lyrics -- have you seen the number of lyrics sites that have been shut down?
      • How many games require an online account / online connection to play solo?
      • How many games require online registration or activation after purchase?
      • How much computer software auto-updates, sometimes removing features you paid for?
      • You can't even cross the US border without worrying about the consequences of being caught with encrypted data/partitions.

      What is being redefined, slowly but surely, is what rights you have as a computer user, what your computer is allowed to do, and what rights you have to "purchases" of content. Using encryption marks you for greater scrutiny by law enforcement. In some people's minds, merely using DeCSS or other software is against the law. It gets worse every day, in a little less freedom here and a little less freedom there.

  2. Hmm by Pojut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Eventually, yes...but I think optical media will still be around for a while.

    Purely from a gaming perspective, it will be interesting to see if Microsoft includes Blu-Ray in its next Xbox. I doubt the next Xbox will be far enough in the future to support only digital downloads (due to ISP bandwith concerns), they won't be able to just stick with DVD9, and they would be pretty stupid to try to release their own optical format.

    All that being said, I'll agree that Blu-Ray is likely the last (or the second to last) optical media standard that will ever hit mainstream status.

  3. Figures don't lie by Cytotoxic · · Score: 4, Informative

    The sales figures for blu-ray seem to indicate otherwise. Sales are up over 68% year over year, marketshare has nearly doubled year over year (2009 to 1020).

    Of course there are dynamics at work outside of the straight consumer choice angle. There is the control afforded the media companies via downloadable media to consider as well. That may be what these guys are relying on for their opinion. The question then is whether the sheep are willing to follow where they are being led.

  4. About time. by pablo_max · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I can finally get of the fence and order my new HD DVD player! Awesome.

  5. Passed by as a /High Definition/ format? by datajack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point of HD is high quality, right?

    So, in which fantasy land do these streamed or downloaded films match the 20-30Mb/s data rate of playing a film off Blu-Ray? Or have they managed to invent some magical new codec that's ~10x as efficient as what you find on disk without losing quality?

    Enjoy downloading your high resolution but blocky and fuzzy mess. I'll stick to a high quality, sharp picture thanks.

    1. Re:Passed by as a /High Definition/ format? by Tha_Big_Guy23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point of HD is high quality, right?

      Exactly! And the Blu-Ray format was invented to allow more storage on a physical disc media. Thus, you have the storage available to put an entire movie in High Definition on it(~10 - ~30Gb).

      I have the fastest available broadband in my area(18Mbps down). To download an entire high def movie in that size would take significantly longer than I would want to wait in front of my television for it. I bought my Blu-ray player for the quality. If I'm going to be forced to download the same content, I expect, and demand, the same quality.

      Also, let us not forget about the fact that a sizable portion of the US is still running on dial-up, so downloading a high definition movie is completely out of the question.

      Unless the content providers are willing to invest heavily in the broadband infrastructure of the country then physical media like Blu-Ray is here to stay, at least for the next several years.

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  6. frog in the cauldron by Wooky_linuxer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know the story of the frog in the cauldron, right? If you put a live one in a cauldron with boiling water, he will leap out as soon as he touches the water. But if you put it there and slowly heat up the water, he won't notice until it is too late. Guess what the content owners are doing to the consumers.

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    1. Re:frog in the cauldron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's an urban legend. Please stop spreading it.

      http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp

    2. Re:frog in the cauldron by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps that's why he said it was a story. Maybe a better word would be "fable". None the less, the anecdote is still good even if the science isn't.

    3. Re:frog in the cauldron by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      None the less, the anecdote is still good even if the science isn't.

      Really? Wow! My analogies will be even better now!

      You know, if you throw a car into a pool of acid, it will jump out, but if you throw it into an empty pool and then pour the acid, it will stay and die. Thus, you should buy physical disks of all your games because cracked installers will magically disappear tomorrow.

    4. Re:frog in the cauldron by hymie! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There wasn't really a boy who cried "Wolf" either. But it's a useful parable to describe a situation.

    5. Re:frog in the cauldron by MarcQuadra · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hello, I am a strategist for the Tea Party. We are intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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  7. Headline wrong by joeflies · · Score: 4, Informative

    Technically, the guy says that he predicts the format is dying (i.e. bluray is currently in use but he forsees the day that his approach, downloads, will overtake physical media). He doesn't actually say that it's dead (past tense) like the headline states.

  8. HD in Bluray quality is dead as well by HockeyPuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "CD Quality" is dead, to be replaced by downsampled and compressed mp3s
    "Bluray Quality" is dead, to be replaced by downsampled, compressed iTunes downloads, streamed netflix/comcast, Hulu etc..

    Hell, even the stuff on TV that is claimed to be "HD" is compressed by your cable provider. It's a shame as a Bluray just provides that much more content than some compressed/re-encoded file. While it's not as easy to tell when watching "HDTV" on a iPhone or iPod. When you have a 50in TV and a 5.1 stereo, you can tell.

    Steve Jobs' motto should be, "Compressed media, through earbuds, it's good enough."

  9. Internet activation by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have an installer, I have the game files

    The installer requires a connection to a server that Activision Blizzard can shut down at any time.

    If you so desire, you can burn everything that you "do not own" over to a disc and voila! you now have a physical representation of your ownership.

    How does this store the state of Internet activation of the copies that you own?