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Supreme Court May Tune In To Music Download Case

droopus writes "The US Supreme Court is weighing into the first RIAA file-sharing case to reach its docket, requesting that the music labels' litigation arm respond to a case testing the so-called 'innocent infringer' defense to copyright infringement. The case pending before the justices concerns a federal appeals court's February decision ordering a university student to pay the Recording Industry Association of America $27,750 — $750 a track — for file-sharing 37 songs when she was a high school cheerleader. The appeals court decision reversed a Texas federal judge who, after concluding the youngster was an innocent infringer, ordered defendant Whitney Harper to pay $7,400 — or $200 per song. That's an amount well below the standard $750 fine required under the Copyright act. Harper is among the estimated 20,000 individuals the RIAA has sued for file-sharing music. The RIAA has decried Harper as 'vexatious,' because of her relentless legal jockeying."

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  1. Look by Pojut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We all know the girl was a bit stupid ("I didn't know it was illegal"? Seriously? That's your defense?) What should be focused on is the judgement...$750 per track? What's bad is that's on the low-end compared to some of their other lawsuits :/

    1. Re:Look by mark72005 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think it's intended to be punitive.

    2. Re:Look by hedwards · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's how the innocent infringement defense works. Since you weren't aware you shouldn't be liable to the same extent. The other options are no leniency or letting a person completely off the hook. I'm not sure what the right amount would be, but it's much more reasonable than the $750 minimum.

      $200 is definitely a deterrent, not sure that it's a reasonable amount, but it's much more in the realm of reasonable. Especially given that she'll likely have to pay court costs.

      The defense wouldn't exist if it was that cut and dry. It's really more a matter of whether or not it applies in this case.

    3. Re:Look by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We all know the girl was a bit stupid ("I didn't know it was illegal"? Seriously? That's your defense?) What should be focused on is the judgement...$750 per track? What's bad is that's on the low-end compared to some of their other lawsuits :/

      I'll give you another lawsuit: Apple Inc. vs. Psystar. Psystar was found guilty of making about 750 illegal copies of MacOS X and was ordered to pay $30,000 for copyright infringement. That is just $40 for each copy of software that retailed for $129. (There was a small matter of DMCA violation as well, but that wouldn't be the case here). And you think $750 for a copy of a $0.99 song is anywhere near reasonable?

      There was a recent case where the judge overruled the jury on the grounds that anything over $2,250 is so extraordinarily wrong that the judge cannot possibly allow it and has a duty to overrule the jury. That doesn't mean that $2,250 would be right, it means that it is not so extraordinarily wrong that the judge is forced to overrule it, he usually has to let decisions of the jury stand even if he disagrees with them. Unless they are so unworldly bad that they cannot be allowed.

    4. Re:Look by Lovedumplingx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It may sound like a stupid defense but honestly some people out there just didn't/still don't know that sharing certain (copyrighted) files is wrong.

      About 5 years ago (from what I've heard as this was before my time) someone at my company was selling DVDs to co-workers and made some statement via an email to everyone in the company that it wasn't a problem if he ran out as he'd just make some more. He truly had no idea that what he was doing was illegal until the legal department and the IT department blasted him.

      No one reads the FBI warnings at the beginning of films (and music doesn't really have one of those) so ignorance really is valid point one could make.

    5. Re:Look by veganboyjosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ignorance is no excuse, and all of that, but I really think we'll start to see more of this. As filesharing becomes easier on the user's end, how is a new/naive/young user supposed to know it's illegal? I mean, type the name of any current pop artist into Google, followed by "rapidshare", "yousendit" or one of the myriad other large file sharing services, and usually one of the first links Google finds is the file itself, ready for download.

      The fact that these types of cases are coming up again and again make clear that it's a contentious issue, at least for some. Someone out there takes issue with all this content being freely available.

      To be clear, I'm not arguing one way or another on the filesharing/copyright issue. I'm just saying that as we move forward with the web and user interfaces, and searchability, then a 12 year old kid who has some brains and can figure out some clever search "hacks" becomes able to just find files that are publicly available to download with no warning, no mention of "this could be copyrighted", etc.

      I've tried explaining the process for finding files like this to my father, who is probably a lot like most of your parents. Able to get online, but not really understanding the full intrecacies of the interwebs. I tried explaining how illegal this is, and that it's up to him to take that leap. I'm sure there are teenagers and preteens out there figuring this stuff out, too. Do you think that they're explaining the legalities and potential consquences to their friends, when they pass on the instructions?

      As this knowledge passed down to further "generations" ofkids, and technology progresses, I could actually see how an ignorance defense could be fairly legitimate.

    6. Re:Look by hcmtnbiker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And just out of curiosity can someone tell me why punitive damages should be awarded to the plaintiff? Why should someone make more money in a court of law then they otherwise would. I mean real damages I'm ok with, they're real. Punitive damages though are just some arbitrary number assigned to case. The plaintiffn has no right to that money, it doesn't belong to them, so why should they be awarded it.

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    7. Re:Look by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Psystar was also ordered to pay Apple's legal fees. Furthermore, the exact penalty for infringement was likely lower because Apple did not register their copyright on OS X with the Copyright Office. By law, a plaintiff that does not have a registered copyright is limited to collecting actual damages, while those who register their copyrights can collect punitive damages. (I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice)

    8. Re:Look by Surt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Who else can you award it to? The state? So that the state would then have an interest in finding for one side?

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    9. Re:Look by Surt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not wrong, it's illegal. There's an important difference.

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    10. Re:Look by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I find more entertaining is how the MafiAA - who've been slapped back and forth for filing false testimony (perjury), filing mountains of paperwork trying to bury defendants (barratry), caught in price-fixing collusion (conspiracy), falsifying evidence (forgery), providing "evidence" that was the result of deliberate computer crime on the part of their own "investigators", using "investigators" that they knew were not licensed for the investigations, and repeatedly filing SLAPP lawsuits against groups like the EFF - have the temerity to still be pushing this garbage.

      Oh, and then there's their abusive filings of dozens if not hundreds of lawsuits at once, based on nothing but "information and belief" with no actual evidence, where they try to get the identities of people and then harass and threaten them in what has been best described as an organized, big-business-sanctioned extortion ring.

      What a lot of these judges in the past have written at the lower-court level, especially when they greenlight these extortion racket tactics, make me suspect bribery to be in play as well.

    11. Re:Look by Defenestrar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm more concerned about the fact that the suit is against someone who was a minor at the time of the incident. It seems to me that the guardian (parents) should be responsible in a civil case, and a criminal case (which this isn't) should have taken place in a juvenile court (speedily - you know, all that 6th Amendment stuff).

    12. Re:Look by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I find more entertaining is how the MafiAA - who've been slapped back and forth for filing false testimony (perjury), filing mountains of paperwork trying to bury defendants (barratry), caught in price-fixing collusion (conspiracy), falsifying evidence (forgery), providing "evidence" that was the result of deliberate computer crime on the part of their own "investigators", using "investigators" that they knew were not licensed for the investigations, and repeatedly filing SLAPP lawsuits against groups like the EFF - have the temerity to still be pushing this garbage.

      Yes, and yet the girl is "vexatious" for demanding that her legal right to a fair trial be upheld.

      The fact that today's music largely sucks is far from the only reason I haven't bought music in years. (And no, I don't download it illegally either).

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    13. Re:Look by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ignorance is an excuse as long as there is no law classes in the public school system. You cant assume people just 'know' law

      This is just a guess, but I'm not sure it is physically possible to know all the law anymore.

      State, Local, Federal, Treaties... they all change, and some of the items being changed are thousands of pages long. Not only that, but written in legal language which is NOT readable by your normal citizen.

      Let's say you go on vacation to some state park and decide to build a campfire. Is there a fire moratorium in effect? What do you have to do to make sure that your campfire is to code. Are there also local codes which you have to follow? What are your liabilities? Hope you have a few hours to go down to the government offices to look up the code (or the library) to read up on what you need to do to build your campfire. Oh crap, a CFL in your battery powered lantern died. Is there a disposal station nearby, what are your responsiblities for recycling/disposing of the lamp. I know there is Federal and State laws in place... Or are they laws, some might be rules imposed by the EPA at the federal level, or rules imposed by the state EPA. When was the last time those rules were updated, have they changed... etc.

      Granted those are fairly mundane examples, but the concept that you are responsible for following the laws even if they are obscure is commonplace.

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    14. Re:Look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The case of McDonalds v. the Coffee in Lap Lady for example.McDs appealed the million plus dollar ruling and had it reduced to $300,000. The Supreme Court decided it was excessive to award over a million for her injuries.

      No they did not. It was the trial judge who reduced the punitive damages (from 2.7 million dollars to 480,000), and while McDonalds did appeal, as did Liebeck, they eventually settled out of court anyway.

      I hope your professor didn't teach you the facts of this case, because he got it wrong. Also...the jury in the case decided their punitive damages based on 2 days worth of McDonalds coffee sales. Ironic, no?

    15. Re:Look by jandrese · · Score: 3, Informative

      I thought with the PyStar case that PyStar had actually bought the copies of the OS off of the shelf, so Apple couldn't hit them for the full cost of the software. They ended up having to go with a much less effective "breaking the EULA on 750 copies of the software" case instead, which is why the judgement in that part was so low. Of course Apple was able to nail them with the DMCA violations instead, which have much sharper teeth because it was written by the recording industry.

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    16. Re:Look by cgenman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True, but the government does have a legitimate interest in copyright control as well. Or else we wouldn't have copyright laws in the first place, ostensibly. And supposedly we have protections in place to prevent punitive traffic fines from becoming cash cows for cities.

      Punitive fines are just that: a form of punishment to deter rules violations. When you go to jail for 2 years for breaking into an Ikea, you don't go to Ikea jail where they make you build crappy Swedish furniture for their profits. If you shoplift from Ikea, you're hit with a fine that goes to the state, not Ikea. Why is it, then, that if you shoplift from the RIAA, you're hit with a massive punitive fine that goes straight to the RIAA?

    17. Re:Look by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Since when does ignorance of the law excuse you from it?

      Copyright is a contract between a copyright holder and the public, ignorance of a contract DOES excuse you from it, but only to a certain degree. That's why it's lessened penalties under the law, rather than a gigantic civil award. It's the court's way of saying "Look, you fucked up. Realistically, you should have done some research or something to figure out what you were doing was wrong. We can't let you off completely, since you did do something against the law, but we're not going to hang you for it. Consider this your warning and don't do it again." It's like a police officer pulling you over because your tail light is burnt out, and instead of giving you a ticket straight off, gives you the ability to go get it fixed promptly to avoid the fine. Yeah, you fucked up, you broke a law, and you should have noticed your tail light was out, but rather than be a dick, they want the behaviour corrected.

      Also, when was it determined that this was absolutely and irrefutably illegal (and it's certainly not _criminal), since it's a civil issue).

      Eh, under most jurisdictions, copyrights etc. are backed by force of law, which means it is actually illegal, rather than purely civil breach, but yeah, the actual, moral criminality of it? Not really. But legality and criminality are often divorced from each other.

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    18. Re:Look by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Have punitive damages go into an account that is used to fund Public Defenders, or something similar. Help keep corporations that can afford $10,000 an hour lawyers from going after people that, if they are lucky, can get help only from a guy that ranked 49th out of 50 in his law school and is working 5 cases at once, and if they are unlucky can't afford a lawyer at all. A court room should be a level playing field, otherwise justice cannot be said to have been achieved.

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    19. Re:Look by uglyduckling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She's not asking to be excused, she's asking for damages to be reasonably representative of the action (e.g. 'making available' a track that costs 99 cents to buy). She was a child when she used Kazaa and hadn't linked the tiny copyright notices on the back of audio CDs with the action of downloading from Kazaa. Many, many people don't understand this. I've also met people who believe that Ubuntu on a CDR must be illegal 'because it was downloaded'. Ruining someone's financial status in their early twenties for something that they didn't believe could be wrong is cruel and wrong.

    20. Re:Look by Surt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      First, traffic fines are a cash cow for cities, that's why they invest so much in enforcement. Whether or not that should be, it is.

      I, personally, find there to be a meaningful difference between a two party issue (finee vs state, decision to be made by state in parking enforcement), vs a three party issue (finee vs copyright holder, decision to be made by state). If the state is motivated financially to find for the holder, we may as well roll up the holder into the state formally, and let us all vote on how we want copyright enforcement to work, rather than having those decisions made by a private organization.

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    21. Re:Look by mark72005 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Corporations don't buy $10k an hour lawyers to work their legal issues. They retain a firm for millions a year.

    22. Re:Look by magarity · · Score: 3, Funny

      Burn the money. Then it increases the value of the dollar and helps everyone
       
      Federal Reserve Notes are created so the Federal Reserve can pay for Treasury Notes the federal government forces on it. Burning or otherwise destroying cash just means there is less in circulation to be taxed to buy back the T-Notes. And since work had to be done somewhere along the line to earn the cash, destroying it when its in the private sector erases the wealth created by doing work and that hurts everyone.

    23. Re:Look by Dashiva+Dan · · Score: 3, Informative

      RTFA, for crying out loud.
      She didn't "not realise it was illegal". She didn't realise the files were being shared at all.
      At least, that is the reason for the current state of the case
      Truthfulness is for the jury to decide, but it didn't seem like that claim was being contested, although the article didn't go into it.

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    24. Re:Look by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ignorance is no excuse, and all of that, but I really think we'll start to see more of this. As filesharing becomes easier on the user's end, how is a new/naive/young user supposed to know it's illegal?

      The law is quite explicit that if a person did not know they were infringing a copyright, then they are an innocent infringer, and the statutory damages are limited, unless... there was a copyright notice on the thing they were infringing. Then they don't qualify for the defense.

      The 5th Circuit erroneously held that she is precluded from the defense because some other copy somewhere, which she had never seen, had a copyright notice.

      Its ruling was ridiculous.

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    25. Re:Look by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree the sum awarded is excessive. If she appealed that in the Supreme Court she can get it reduced as the Constitution does place a 'reasonable amount' on damages and fines.

      I agree that the $750 per mp3 file statutory damages award is constitutionally excessive, and should be struck down. However, that issue does not appear to be presented in connection with this particular appeal.

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    26. Re:Look by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 5, Funny

      Punitive damages are still supposed to be relative to the crime.

      Yeah, but as I understand it, it had to do with the content. Rumor has it that included in the 37 tracks in question were:

      1. Money for Nothin' - Dire Straits
        Money - Pink Floyd
        Diamonds and Pearls - Prince
        Rich Girl - Hall and Oates
        Moneytalks - AC/DC
        Mo' Money, Mo' Problems - Notorious B.I.G.
        For the Love of Money - The O'Jays
        Greenback Dollar - The Kingston Trio
        Money, Money, Money - ABBA
        Material Girl - Madonna
        She Works Hard for the Money - Donna Summer
        How to be a Millionaire - ABC
        Take the Money and Run - Steve Miller Band
        You Never Give Me Your Money - The Beatles

        And a few different tracks by Johnny Cash
    27. Re:Look by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Least of all I liked the logic they seemed to use which was an awfully lot like "you should know nothing is free to share". It's like the MafiAA was handed a big "only CDs and DVDs and BluRays you buy in a store (or online store) is legal, everything you download for free is likely illegal" baseball bat to beat the market with. I hope the Supreme Court can see how incredibly destructive that logic would be.

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    28. Re:Look by wierd_w · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obligatory Obviousness:

      The RIAA is an association; An umbrella front man. Essentially a litigation middle man for various recording industries.

      The RIAA does not need to collect "damages"; since the RIAA does not own copyrights; it's members do.

      Personally, I would spin it this way: The purpose of copuyright is to promote the creation of createive works. The recording industry's recording equipment does not produce creative works; It is used to fascilitate the creation, BY artists.

      Thus, the purpose of copyright is to pay artists. (The artists pay for the use of the recording equipment with their contracts.)

      Naturally, It should follow that any punitive damages should be paid directly to artists.

  2. Relentless legal jockeying by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really RIAA? Really? You are accusing someone else of "relentless legal jockeying". /head asplodes

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    1. Re:Relentless legal jockeying by jgagnon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's like any other extremist view. They're right, you're wrong. Any action you take other than being wrong and paying for it is a complete waste of time.

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  3. The MPAA by Dracos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... is complaining about someone else's relentless legal jockeying? How much blacker can the pot get while impugning the kettle's color? Until this girl (or any other individual) has the means to write and buy their own federal legislation, the MPAA should STFU.

  4. I'd shoot the RIAA CEO in the head by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I'm going to face a life time punishment (how long it takes to pay off a million dollar fine), it might as well be for something worthy.

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    1. Re:I'd shoot the RIAA CEO in the head by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why stop there? Kill the motherfuckers who hired him too.

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    2. Re:I'd shoot the RIAA CEO in the head by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you've just severed the head of your enemy and placed it on a pike in the field, how many folks do you think will step up to take his place? This is what we call "Setting an example".

    3. Re:I'd shoot the RIAA CEO in the head by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, but somebody going psycho babbling about how they shared 15 songs and got a 2 million dollar fine and had to work hard to live in poverty for the rest of their life so just decided to go kill them all .......... that story would get some press. Especially if he got the message of WHY (giant huge ass fine destroyed his life) and HOW (sharing a CD and a half of music) out there... broken family and all... you know, the works. The corporations would be seen as the great evil after that.

  5. Vexatious? No $#@! by bornagainpenguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The RIAA has decried Harper as 'vexatious,' because of her relentless legal jockeying.

    Since the advent of these cases it has been clear that the intent was to bury people financially and for the **AA to use the courts as a bludgeon to scare the rest of the populace--not the pursuit of justice. Now they're upset because someone with nothing to lose (ruinous legal judgments that cannot reasonably be paid back by an individual tends to create that mentality) has decided to use their own strategy against them? Tough $#@! **AA. Bed. Made. Lie.

    How do you like this taste of your own medicine? Hopefully this kind of thing will catch on and more people will choose to drag their cases out for as long as possible and this will cost the **AA so much more than they anticipated.

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  6. Obligatory... by srussia · · Score: 4, Funny

    How much blacker can the pot get while impugning the kettle's color?

    The answer is none. None more black.

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  7. The RIAA finally went too far by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Messing with a pretty white cheerleader with Republican parents, in Texas? They got *way* too cocky there. Even Satan's powers have their limits.

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  8. Those sneaky defendants! by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is the RIAA supposed to win if those pesky file sharers won't stop defending themselves?!?

  9. Constitutionality by lavagolemking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What we should be considering is whether the $750-to-200,000-per-file fine is constitutional, more than whether someone knew it was copyright. Seriously, find me another crime (especially civil) that has a heavier penalty, even a punitive one.

    1. Re:Constitutionality by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Downloading 24 songs -> 1.92 million dollars

      Producing wilfully misleading documents in regards to royalties owed to the natives who's land you are pumping gas from (for 25,949 violation days)
      -> 5.2 million dollars (65 songs)

      Filling falsified audits for 4 years overstating pre-tax income by more than $1 billion (really was 1.4bill).
      -> 7 million dollars (88 songs)

      Causing more than 300 oil spills (the largest being 100,000gallons into Nueces Bay, TX), illegally discharging crude oil totalling 3million gallons of crude leaking into ponds, lakes, rivers and streams across 6 states over a period of 7 years. All due to negligence and improper maintenance.
      -> 35 million dollars (437 songs)

      Seems fair to me. 229 gallons of leaked crude oil into natural environments per mp3 copied. That means that my personal music collection is as bad as dumping 1.15 million barrels of oil across the countryside. To try to imagine how much that is: It is 357 average sized US homes filled with oil.

      Also, the legal cap is a mere $150,000 per file, not 200.

  10. Cheerleader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How does her having been a cheerleader have any impact on this case? Why even mention it?

    1. Re:Cheerleader? by schon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doesn't have any impact on the case, but it does have an impact on the readers.

      Think about it - this is a site filled with pasty white guys who live in their parents basement. You mention one of the parties is a cheerleader, we're all gonna click the link to see if there's a picture.

      We still won't read the article, but we'll go looking for the pic, and so the submitter will get a few more ad impressions. :)

    2. Re:Cheerleader? by Surt · · Score: 5, Funny

        How does her having been a cheerleader have any impact on this case? Why even mention it?

      It makes the 'I didn't know it was illegal' defense she is using more plausible.

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  11. Re:Funny. by robot256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imitation may be the highest form of flattery, but accusation is the highest form of hypocrisy. The greatest hypocrites always accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of.

  12. Re:Vexatious? No $#@! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's more silly than that. From what I've read, the defendant wants the case to go to trial instead of being forced into a settlement. That's "vexatious" in the eyes of the RIAA.

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  13. Damages? by koterica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the 'innocent infringer' defense doesn't fly, how about awarding full damages? $0.99 cents per song seems reasonable. If she left bittorent running till the share ratio hit 2.0, maybe she should even pay &1.98 per song. Thats like 70 bucks, or three albums. The price is steep, but she did "steal" the songs. The RIAA deserves to be fairly compensated for their losses.

    1. Re:Damages? by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not fair though. The whole point of punitive damages is to punish the infringer, not just force them to buy it. If all you pay for is the price of the song, then why ever buy anything? Just pirate it - the worst that happens is you have to pay for it. Because there was willful intent here, I think the rule of treble damages applies.

      So that is $2.97 per song.

  14. Corporate lap dogs by plopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "conservative" SCOTUS will probably rule in favor of the record industry, tightening the strangle hold corporations have on the US. They have been systematically stripping individuals of rights while handing more power to the government (in the form of police and secret police powers) and corporations for at least 20 years now.

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    1. Re:Corporate lap dogs by chemicaldave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why wouldn't they? The law is unquestionably on the RIAA's side. The big issue isn't a matter of "did these people break the law" but rather, "should the copyright act apply to filesharing" and "are these fines are inflated and have no context to casual filesharers?".

    2. Re:Corporate lap dogs by NevarMore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They have been systematically stripping individuals of rights while handing more power to the government

      Except for those pro-gun 2nd Amendment rulings in Heller and McDonald.

      The "conservative" SCOTUS

      Pssst, your editorial bias is showing!

  15. Re:Vexatious? No $#@! by BobMcD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, yes and no. The RIAA's position is that her petition has been already asked and answered by the courts, twice.

    What gets me is that if the RIAA is correct, then her settlement offer of $1200 should have been acceptable, but they refused it. So their own vexatious accusation makes them in the wrong for rejecting a fair settlement, which is in and of itself vexatious if not frivolous.

  16. The RIAA is the plaintiff... by russotto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...and they're accusing the DEFENDANT of being vexatious? That's not usually the way it works.

    I rather suspect, though, that the US Supreme Court will smack down the Fifth Circuit for ignoring the law's requirement of a minimum of $750/infringement, thereby protecting the RIAA from activist judges and hordes of underaged cheerleaders. Copyright uber alles, after all.

  17. FYI: The relevant section of copyright law by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Informative

    I really had to read this for myself:

    US Copyright Law: Chapter 5. Statutory damages

    (1) Except as provided by clause (2) of this subsection, the copyright owner may elect, at any time before final judgment is rendered, to recover, instead of actual damages and profits, an award of statutory damages for all infringements involved in the action, with respect to any one work, for which any one infringer is liable individually, or for which any two or more infringers are liable jointly and severally, in a sum of not less than $750 or more than $30,000 as the court considers just. For the purposes of this subsection, all the parts of a compilation or derivative work constitute one work.

    (2) In a case where the copyright owner sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that infringement was committed willfully, the court in its discretion may increase the award of statutory damages to a sum of not more than $150,000. In a case where the infringer sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that such infringer was not aware and had no reason to believe that his or her acts constituted an infringement of copyright, the court in its discretion may reduce the award of statutory damages to a sum of not less than $200. The court shall remit statutory damages in any case where an infringer believed and had reasonable grounds for believing that his or her use of the copyrighted work was a fair use under section 107, if the infringer was: (i) an employee or agent of a nonprofit educational institution, library, or archives acting within the scope of his or her employment who, or such institution, library, or archives itself, which infringed by reproducing the work in copies or phonorecords; or (ii) a public broadcasting entity which or a person who, as a regular part of the nonprofit activities of a public broadcasting entity (as defined in subsection (g) of section 118) infringed by performing a published nondramatic literary work or by reproducing a transmission program embodying a performance of such a work.

    (Watch me get sued for copying legal text verbatim)

    Some thoughts:
    - This is all at the discretion of the judge.
    - The $200 seems to apply per copyright infringement charge. But what is that unit really? Naturally, the RIAA would say "per song" but even $200 per album seems extreme. Per song? What if a 30-second clip is enough to be a copyright infringement. Can the RIAA claim that a 2 minute song is 4 30-second infringements so that is $200 * 4 = $800? Or... is a 35 second song really 5 overlapping infringements of 30-second clips so that's $200 * 5 = $1000. I don't think this is what the authors of the law intended. Could you even buy individual tracks when this law was written?

  18. Re:Vexatious? No $#@! by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The big deal here is that the RIAA's standard modus operandi of retracting all charges before they have to present evidence and support their case and then return to slam the defendant with more financial ruin threats outside of court will not work. The supreme court will not take any of that bullshit, and if they try to pull out, they will just lose, plain and simple. And not just the case, they will lose face and credibility (what little they have).

    By forcing the issue, Harper is scaring them into the one scenario they were never willing to face - playing the game through to the end.

  19. The summary is wrong. by davev2.0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The appeals court decision reversed a Texas federal judge who, after concluding the youngster was an innocent infringer, ordered defendant Whitney Harper to pay $7,400 - or $200 per song. That's an amount well below the standard $750 fine required under the Copyright act.

    The judge found her an innocent infringer, which means the judge believes she didn't understand that what she was doing was illegal. That kicks in USC 17 504.C.2 which states:

    In a case where the infringer sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that such infringer was not aware and had no reason to believe that his or her acts constituted an infringement of copyright, the court in its discretion may reduce the award of statutory damages to a sum of not less than $200.

    The judge gave her the miminum fine for what he determined to be the truth of the case. The $750 is the minimum award for a finding of willful infringement and so his award is not well below anything.

  20. Re:Funny. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And here I thought it was the RIAA who was vexatious.

    Yeah, anyone who doesn't write them a check is vexatious.

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    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
  21. Re:Vexatious? No $#@! by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, yes and no. The RIAA's position is that her petition has been already asked and answered by the courts, twice.

    In the first place, that would be irrelevant; that's what appeals are for, to correct mistakes by the lower court.

    In the second place, the lower court ruled in Ms. Harper's favor on this issue. The District Judge ruled that she was NOT disqualified from asserting an innocent infringement defense by reason of copyright notices being affixed to some copies in some record store somewhere, which she had never seen.

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    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful