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First Human-Powered Ornithopter

spasm writes "A University of Toronto engineering graduate student has made and successfully flown a human-powered flapping-wing aircraft. From the article: 'Todd Reichert, a PhD candidate at the university's Institute of Aerospace Studies, piloted the wing-flapping aircraft, sustaining both altitude and airspeed for 19.3 seconds and covering a distance of 145 metres at an average speed of 25.6 kilometres per hour.'"

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  1. The Spice... by thescreg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Must flow.

  2. Just in time... by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just in time for Yueh to leave us a pair of stillsuits in the back. The article doesn't mention if it's big enough to lift a spice harvester however.

    Oh a million deaths are not enough for Yueh!

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    1. Re:Just in time... by hitmark · · Score: 3, Informative

      Iirc, the transport of harvesters where done by carry-all's.

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  3. Awesome stuff, but it doesn't take off like a bird by vivin · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article doesn't make it clear that the aircraft still needs to be pulled for it to glide into the air (you can see this in the attached video). I was under the impression that it took off like a bird. The "flapping" of the wings is really cool to see though, once the craft gets airborne.

    Either way, really neat.

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  4. The things grad students will do... by kurokame · · Score: 5, Funny

    To put off writing their thesis.

  5. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by vivin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because you can. Because you want to. Just to show it can be done?

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  6. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by GraZZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Speaking as this guy's former roommate, one of the draws for him was that the aerodynamics and mechanics of flapping wing flight was not fully understood.

    The science here is understanding aerodynamics to the point that a human-scaled device can be built.

  7. On Ornithopters by schmidt349 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Human-powered ornithopters? Sounds like Dune meets the Flintstones!
    Atreides, Paul Atreides
    He's the greatest man in history
    On the planet Arrakis
    He'll kill Harkonnen and make the Fremen free

    1. Re:On Ornithopters by boxwood · · Score: 4, Funny

      I see you've bought into all the government propaganda about Paul Atreides.

      FACT: Paul Atreides isn't a true Fremen. Why haven't we seen his birth certificate? I'll tell you why, he wasn't even born on Arrakis.

      FACT: Paul Atreides is a secret Harkonnen. He cares more about loss of spice harvesting equipment than the lives of people. That doesn't sound like an Atreides to me.

      FACT: Paul Atreides has a huge ego. He thinks he's some kind of messiah.

      FACT: Paul Atreides's mother dabbles in witchcraft. She claims that she's no longer a witch, but do we really believe that?

      FACT: Paul Atreides regularly cheats on his wife. The only reason he's still married is because it would hurt him politically to end the marriage.

      Yeah, he makes big promises about making Arrakis more green, but what how can we trust him?

  8. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    “Though the aircraft is not a practical method of transport, it is also meant to act as an inspiration to others to use the strength of their body and the creativity of their mind to follow their dreams.”

    There you go, it ain't much, but then again creativity is a pretty expensive and scarce commodity.

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  9. Ornithoglider by SoupGuru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So it gets towed to 20 feet and flaps a few times until it settles back to the ground. Flight? At least tow it to a certain height and flap to a higher altitude.

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    1. Re:Ornithoglider by AshtangiMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I tend to agree. It looks like the max altitude (and perhaps speed) was reached just prior to releasing the tow cable. The flapping may have extended the glide, you can see the cockpit move up on the "flap" but it also sinks when the wings spring back up. I'm not sure what is being done is sustainable flight. I am glad they did this though, as it looks promising, and perhaps they will get to the sustainable flight goal.

  10. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Beyond the other answers, anything that can be powered by a human can be powered even better by a small inexpensive engine. This could easily result in an inexpensive personal recreational aircraft. Think Ultralights. Regardless, pure science is pure science. Even if this particular application never results in anything, he surely had to solve problems and understand principles that no one has ever worked out before. Parts of that research will have value somewhere.

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  11. Potential Customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Potential Customer: Ryanair.

  12. Not the first, by any means by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is not even close to the first human powered ornithopter. One of the most significant recent attempts is Yves Rousseau who crashed and became a paraplegic as a result of one of his flights.

  13. Always one in every crowd by spun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Besides the "gee-whiz" factor, why is time being spent on this sort of research? Will any flapping-wing aircraft ever be as efficient as a modern jumbo-jet for transporting large loads of cargo and people? I'm no aerospace engineer, and I'm not saying that a jet is the model of efficiency, but I don't see how a flappy wing mode of transport would be better.

    Seriously, dude, if you ask questions like this, Slashdot is probably not the place for you.

    P.S. Cynicism does not necessarily make you appear wise.

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    1. Re:Always one in every crowd by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      P.S. Cynicism does not necessarily make you appear wise.

      One need not appear wise to whore karma.

  14. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by dnahelicase · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is going to be vital technology for the new NSA/FBI/CIA robo-swallow assassins. Previously we were limited to a very specific payload based on the geographic region in which the swallow originated.

  15. Not that great... by EkriirkE · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is merely a glider, nothing more. The up-flap cancels out the down-flap as the wings appear to move vertically. All winged animals I'm aware of either twist their wings at angles or fold them, especially on the up-flap, so that most of the powered force is directed to pushing air under the wings on the down flap and the wing simply cuts through the air on the up flap.

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  16. The Internet: magical fact verifying machine by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

    Do you remember when, back in the day, you could write or say anything about anything, no matter how uninformed you were, and if you communicated authoritatively enough, your audience would just eat it up with a spoon and not question you? Yeah, we have the Internet now.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-powered_transport

    In the 1989 Race Across America, one team (Team Strawberry) [1] used an experimental device that consisted of a rear wheel hub, a sensor and a handlebar mounted processor. The device measured each cyclist's power output in watts. In lab experiments an average "in-shape" cyclist can produce about 3 watts/kg for more than an hour (e.g., around 200 watts for a 70 kg rider), with top amateurs producing 5 watts/kg and elite athletes achieving 6 watts/kg for similar lengths of time. Elite track sprint cyclists are able to attain an instantaneous maximum output of around 2,000 watts, or in excess of 25 watts/kg; elite road cyclists may produce 1,600 to 1,700 watts as an instantaneous maximum in their burst to the finish line at the end of a five-hour long road race.

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  17. Yes, the flapping is keeping it in the air by Just_Say_Duhhh · · Score: 4, Informative

    I looked at all the videos available for the flight. It is obvious that the flapping is maintaining flight - if he just started gliding at the release point, there is no way the flight would have been as long. This is probably the best view, and it also lets you hear what this thing sounds like when it flaps.

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  18. No crap on a car windshield? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    In order to win the Ornithopter X-Prize, you need to flap and stay in the air long enough to drop your pants, and take a crap on a car windshield.

    Now that would really prove that man can build a machine that enables man to emulate bird behavior.

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  19. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by BitHive · · Score: 4, Funny

    What I want to know is why it's always college kids who are doing the cool stuff in /. stories. It really sends the wrong message that centers of elitist liberal brainwashing are somehow related to innovation when we all know that it's the hardworking, individualistic, ambitious types upon whom all progress depends.

  20. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by catmistake · · Score: 3, Funny

    Speaking as this guy's former roommate, one of the draws for him was that the aerodynamics and mechanics of flapping wing flight was not fully understood.

    The science here is understanding aerodynamics to the point that a human-scaled device can be built.

    I would like to see his paintings.

  21. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by ebuck · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dude, stop propagating an urban legend originated in 1934. Nobody said that bees can't fly, they said that an airplane wing traveling at the speed of a bee can't fly. Airplane wings needed more laminar air flow to generate lift according to Bernoulli's principle, and that means more forward speed to generate the minimal air flow than a bee displays in it's forward flight.

    Then the anti-science crowd then created a misinterpretation of this famous statement to read that "according to Science, bees can't fly" so it must be "God's work." Later it was softened to "According to science, bees can't fly so we don't know everything."

    It doesn't take a lot of insight to imagine how flapping a wing can sustain slower air speeds than a fixed wing aircraft could sustain. But the original findings have been so misused, that using the quote is paramount to spreading anti-Science propaganda.

  22. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by Achoi77 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also because it's a 0/2 flying artifact for 0 colorless mana.

  23. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bees would violate the laws of aerodynamics for fixed wing airplanes. Fortunately for them they operate more like a helicopter and get more sufficient lift by beating their wings. Do people still seriously believe this?

    Speaking as someone with experience with Helicopters. Designing those damned things is more an art that is reinforced by scientific knowledge. There are a lot of things about rotor aircraft that until recently have been way too complex to model. So in a manner of speaking, we did not know the aerodynamics of bees if you set your definition of know to be an exhaustive knowledge of the physics.

    A rotor spinning in place you could model, but add in any bit of wind current and motion and it became an aerodynamic mess.

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  24. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone once said that helicopters fly because they are so ugly the ground repels them.

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  25. Re:Why Still Pursuing This? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    A popular military joke is that the CH-47 Chinook doesn't fly, it just beats the air into submission.

  26. Re:Nothing new by siddesu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've always wondered about bird vs. helicopter efficiency ... here's one guy's opinion.

    http://mb-soft.com/public3/birdeff.html

    If true, nature's "painfully inefficient reciprocating motion" leaves our "nice, efficient rotary motion" in the dust.

  27. Re:Awesome stuff, but it doesn't take off like a b by getmerexkramer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nah, olympic level cyclists can generate up to 2000 watts for brief periods and elite level road cyclists over 400 watts for periods up to an hour.