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UK Goverment IT Chief Backs Open Source Suppliers

Blacklaw writes "The UK government's deputy Chief Information Officer has outlined plans to hand public sector IT contracts over to small businesses and suppliers of open-source and cloud-based solutions in an attempt to balance the books. Speaking at the 360IT conference in London on Wednesday, Bill McCluggage also promised greater transparency over IT procurement, with tenders and contracts published online. Outlining a commitment to 'simplify, standardize and automate', McCluggage said the government would make it easier for open-source suppliers to compete for contracts, making the public sector less reliant on individual suppliers, or locked into proprietary systems."

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  1. clouds in a bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    hinting at a possible move towards cloud-based solutions to escape licensing restrictions

    They should be careful not to let buzzwords govern their decision.

    A lot of what passes as "the cloud" involves removing control from the user and moving that control to a centrally-managed proprietary virtual host.

    If they happen to choose these sorts of "cloud" applications -- which are becoming increasingly common with the "SaaS" lock-em-in-and-rip-em-off crowd -- they're only going to multiply their licensing headaches.

    Their advisors should make it a point to distinguish between open (commodity) computing platforms and centralized control platforms. Unfortunately, since this is a government body, their advisors are probably paid consultants from those same proprietary-platform companies.

    1. Re:clouds in a bottle by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does it really matter where the server is and who technically owns it if you have no control over your data and how it's processed? I have a commercial ERP product I have to deal with that requires it run on a $30000+ AIX box, can only be backed up using their expensive partner company, requires keeping an expensive support contract, and completely sucks but there is no easy way to switch products because there is no way to export all the data and no way to fix the program because the vendor obviously doesn't even know their own product and we don't have the source. It doesn't matter if it's on my server or in the cloud. The only real issue is that the company went with a non-opensource solution (there was no OSS solution at the time) and it's now a nightmare and it will be an even bigger nightmare when we reach e point where we have to switch.

      To be fair many OSS solutions would be nearly as big a hassle because they are so badly implemented. In theory you could get your data out and move to a different product but it'd be a serious chore. Bad source is almost as bad as no source.

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    2. Re:clouds in a bottle by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That depends on the cloud. For government IT, it might make sense to have a few large government-run datacentres that individual departments could buy time on, rather than having each project build its own separate infrastructure. The data and software would still be in the cloud, but the cloud would be in a bottle.

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  2. For the first time! by cappp · · Score: 4, Informative
    My interest is somewhat moderated by a distinct feeling of deja'vu - almost as if the last administration made similar claims that apparantly went nowhere? Lets see....

    The UK Government has announced that it will consider open-source software on an equal footing with proprietary commercial software when awarding multi-million-pound IT contracts.

    In a paper issued on Tuesday, Tom Watson, the Minister for Digital Engagement, said: “Open Source has been one of the most significant cultural developments in IT and beyond over the last two decades: it has shown that individuals, working together over the Internet, can create products that rival and sometimes beat those of giant corporations.”

    And the date on that? February 25, 2009.

    1. Re:For the first time! by dangitman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The UK Government has announced that it will consider open-source software on an equal footing with proprietary commercial software when awarding multi-million-pound IT contracts.

      Why wouldn't you consider Open Source on equal footing with commercial software by default? It seems like a redundant statement.

      They very well might have been considering Open Source as an option since that announcement - the question is whether Open Source has ever actually made the the grade and been accepted as a better solution.

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    2. Re:For the first time! by julesh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes. The news here is (1) the reduction in multi-million-pound contracts in favour of more, smaller contracts. This means that the bidders themselves can be smaller (UK government tenders have, in the past, often had existing turnover requirements that mean most IT consultancies can't bid on them, leaving the field open to just a few large specialist companies, with most contracts apparently going to Capita), and (2) an apparent _preference_ for open-source solutions, rather than just (as the last government did) a requirement to evaluate open-source solutions as well as closed-source ones.

    3. Re:For the first time! by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why wouldn't you consider Open Source on equal footing with commercial software by default?
      That is easy you need to think like a government.

      The one rule.
      1. It is not what you do right that gets you promoted. It is what you do wrong that gets you punished or fired.

      Let's say you spend millions on an infrastructure and training people to use an open source product that does something useful, but that project after a time is no longer maintained because the key developer(s) moved to new and better things. Sure you can hire staff to maintain the code. But to the guy who OKed the product in the first place showed that he made a bad decision as they need to put even more resources then before that was unplanned.

      Sure the same thing can happen with any product from a big company. But if that happens from say from IBM or Microsoft you may need to pay more to switch or higher fees to keep the software working, but to the approver he can come out clean as he made a decision at the time based on industry standards and it was the evil companies fault for dropping the product. Also with a big company you can have a contract to insure that it will be supported for a agreed period of time.

      It is not fair, it is not open sources fault. It is that government don't run on rational thinking but how to ease the minds of it's voters who has 1/2 of it's population with below average intelligence.

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  3. Re:Lets hope this brings an end ... by Nursie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, I'll believe that when it happens. I'm sure there's a nice money-flow from the public purse to HP and then into the politician's campaign funds.

    Still this seems to be a positive move, unusual for politics.

  4. Wonder how long he'll last by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Usually courageous people like that get removed from office pretty quick. Also, his proprietary software opponents (vendors) will probably be very quick to pounce on any delays or missteps while systems transition to Open Source (while delays in proprietary software projects are quietly swept under the carpet due to 'commercial sensitivity'). I hope this guys pulls it off and levels the playing field - which should also save a lot of taxpayer pounds/dollars

    1. Re:Wonder how long he'll last by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Ah, but Minister, it works like this... Open source products cost zero to procure. Admittedly there are the associated installation and support costs, but that holds true for commercial products, so let's take the installation and support costs out of the equation. This leaves the cost of acquisition, which, as I said, for Open Source products is zero. Now, consider a commercial software alternative that would cost, say £15 million to acquire, yet we negotiate the price down to £10 million, so we can rightly say that we have saved the taxpayer £5 million - an not inconsiderable sum - but look at the Open Source alternative; it costs zero to acquire so there is zero that can be saved by negotiation - nothing - so what is better for the taxpayer: something on which we can save zero, or something for which we can negotiate a £5m discount? Basic maths and economics, Minister. "

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    2. Re:Wonder how long he'll last by h00manist · · Score: 2

      The proper calculation has to include the long-term benefits of the government owning their own source code. For example, there will be no forced upgrades. There will be less risk of orphaned products suddenly creating a situation where government data is inaccessible and useless. A national infrastructure of trained programmers to maintain this stuff is now possible, as there is source. There will be higher costs in programmers, that also has to be added.

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  5. Wrong target by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Whether it's open source or closed source isn't the most important thing. Whether it's run locally or in the cloud doesn't make that much difference.

    What really matters is whether the data is readily accessible in a known format. If you can get your data in some sane way that is independent of your current software, then you are in control. If you cannot, then you are not in control.

    Of course, going OSS and going cloud-based each have their pros and cons as well, but IMHO they are secondary to controlling the data. For example, while OSS theoretically implies being able to access your data in a known format, I would still rather use a closed source solution with a cleaner known data format than an OSS solution where the code that manipulates the file format is difficult to understand and the format itself is more awkward.

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  6. End of Microsoft agreements.. by malkavian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems to come hot on the heels of the end of the Microsoft licensing deal with the NHS.
    One of the side effects of the "Age of Austerity" is that the Government really doesn't have the money to throw around anymore. Real savings are having to be made in the Public Sector.
    A simple choice is: Do we really get sufficient added value from having all the pretty functionality from the Microsoft Office suite, or do we really just need the basics (i.e. from Open Office, which is being used in Bristol City Council to a large extent) to create documents which can be stored. They may not look quite as slick, but they do the job nicely at a fraction of the cost (including support).
    As Open alternatives start to be used, companies are increasingly finding that the myth of "there are no readily available skillsets in them, unlike Microsoft applications" really is a myth, and that there are a good many highly skilled people available at prices largely in line with the Microsoft setup, but often with a broader skillset behind that. It just seems to be that this is filtering into the view of Government now..
    I'll be watching this one with interest; when used correctly, Open Source can be a huge cost saver. It's not the panacea for all ills, but when used as the right tool for the right job, everything works far better.

  7. Re:Real Problem with Government IT by chrb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the people running government IT seem to lack focus on what they want to have delivered

    This happens in every area of the IT sector. I have seen million dollar projects run by corporations trundle on and on for years before eventual cancellation. Projects tend to only get canned when the manager of that project leaves the company, which often occurs at the same time as the company coming under severe financial pressure. As long as the company as a whole is profitable, individual projects are often given a lot of freedom.

  8. Re:Real Problem with Government IT by julesh · · Score: 2, Informative

    The biggest problem (and I witnessed this 1st hand) is that the people running government IT seem to lack focus on what they want to have delivered, so projects run on and on.

    Yes, but part of the problem here is what the other half of this is addressing: the fact that most government IT contracts go to one or two large companies (I'm primarily thinking Capita here), who don't really have to compete on quality because there's a minimum turnover requirement in the tender that eliminates almost all of the potential competition.

  9. Note carefully: "open source" is an afterthought by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The primary focus is on awarding contracts to small businesses rather than a few behemoths. Whether they use open source or not does not really appear to be a consideration. And "open standards" will in practice just means "hide the actual data inside a pile of useless XML cruft and pass it around via SOAP".

    By the way, most customers for this kind of software would rather eat their own heads than have to deal with multiple vendors for different parts of an integrated national system.

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  10. Re:Lets hope this brings an end ... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Campaign funds in the UK are capped, and none of the candidates from the major parties has any trouble reaching this cap - they don't need contributions from HP, and all other gifts must be declared on the Register of Members' Interests. We don't have the same system of institutionalised bribery as the USA. The closest thing that we get is Ministers being offered directorships once they leave government in exchange for services rendered while there, but this only really works for bribing the people at the top. The other 400 or so MPs don't tend to get offered this kind of thing.

    The UK has a lot of small IT businesses, while HP has just reduced its UK workforce by around 2,000 and generally uses non-UK workers for these contracts. Employing British people to work on government projects makes financial sense for the government (they will be paying taxes and buying things in the UK), and is likely to be a vote winner.

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  11. UK Mindsets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Never discount the UK mindset of stubborn resistance to change.

    There is a school, not a half mile from where I sit right now, who have 1 Windows box for the school IMS and every other machine is either Mac or Linux. All the desktops for the pupils to use are Linux and most staff use Linux laptops.
    They have had this system in place for at least the last 4 or 5 years.

    Are they held up as an example? No.
    Do other schools look to them? No.
    Did the previous Government cite them as a brilliant example of cost saving and the freeing up of data from proprietary control? No, in fact they continued to sign the UK education sector up to illegal (by their own rules) "contracts" with MS and ignored the whole issue.

    Our new Government has an even greater reputation for bending over for big business.

    The headline sounds nice, but when it comes to actually carrying it out - I'm not holding my breath.

  12. Re:Lets hope this brings an end ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will it be exactly the same project - in terms of scope, deliverables, team, tools, methodology...?

    Unless it is I don't see why the premise leads to the conclusion at all.

    Applying your logic, since Leonardo da Vinci failed at heavier than air flight it's clear that Wright brothers faked it.

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  13. pullease, not BT by niks42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As long as they don't engage BT to deliver the g-Cloud. More than 40% of all of the funding for the NHS national program is sinking down that particular black hole, and wouldn't want to see any more KBEs being created on the back of providing overpriced services very slowly, and very, very poorly supported.