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Father of Java, James Gosling Unloads

javab0y writes "The folks over at basementcoders did a podcast with James Gosling, The Father of Java, last week at a coffee shop in San Francisco during the JavaOne conference. In a raw and no-holds-barred interview, James let loose on Oracle, the Google Lawsuit, and his experience with IBM. You know its going to be good when he starts out saying, 'I eventually graduated in '83. Went to work for IBM which is, you know, is within the top 10 of my stupidest career decisions I've made.' The podcast was fully transcribed."

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  1. A Few Typos, But The Heart and Core Is There... by potemcam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It was an hour long interview recorded on a handheld device, and we (basementcoders & TheServerSide) tried to get the transcription out as quickly as possible so those who didn't have the time to listen to the hour long interview could at the very least read through it. There's a few typos in there that we'll fix soon enough, but putting that aside, you really get to the heart of what's driving Gosling and what he hopes for the future of Java.

  2. Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back when I was in high school and java was new I was taking a comp sci class where we were given the names of important people in the IT industry and asked to write a report on who they were and why they're important. I googled his name on altavista.com (there was no google) and found nothing (no wikipedia at the time) except an email address at Sun. So I emailed him a list of everything I needed to know and promptly received a reply. Good luck reaching any IT big wig these days.

    1. Re:Times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good luck reaching any IT big wig these days.

      That depends.

      Steve

      Sent from my iToy

    2. Re:Times have changed by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I googled his name on altavista.com...

      That's priceless.

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    3. Re:Times have changed by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hear nowadays you can google stuff on bing!

  3. Re:It's amazing anyone employs him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pft, I suspect given his reputation he doesn't have much to worry about. I'm more amused at how people react with horror at someone actually being open and honest. It's one of the reasons I'm glad to be self employed. I might not make as much as if I sold my soul to the highest bidder, but at least I still have it. I see cubicle drones constantly horrified by the idea of people who aren't owned and bought. What the fuck happened to you to make you like that!

  4. The Google lawsuit by VGR · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Mr. Gosling feels the Google lawsuit is just Oracle's noticing an opportunity to squeeze money out of Google:

    James Gosling: ...I'm sure they were looking at the license fees they were getting from Microsoft. Microsoft .NET just smears over a huge pile of Sun patents. When they did the .NET design, they basically cut and pasted from the Java spec. The way that they did CLR, you know they swizzled the way the instruction set went but the way this thing really operated, they exercised essentially no creativity when coming up with .NET. They've done some things since then that have been kind of good but as part of the various court cases we ended up with this rather odd patent deal with them that involved them paying us fairly tasty amounts of money. And I'm sure that the lawyers looked at the Microsoft numbers and said, yeah I want that from Google

    I actually did not know, until today, that Microsoft was paying a Java patent license fee for .NET's design.

    Just before he said the above, he said this, which is probably obvious to many people, but I found it poignant all the same:

    James Gosling: With Oracle it doesn't have to make sense, it just has to make money.

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    1. Re:The Google lawsuit by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I noticed that quote, too, but it goes deeper than it seems from the first glance. Just think about it: you may be sued by Oracle for violating JVM patents if you use Mono!

  5. Here's why they will. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. He invented one of the most popular languages of all time.
    2. This isn't your typical dime a dozen BSCS or BSEE cubical wage slave that be easily replaced.
    3. Unlike the folks in #2, he can say, "I created billions of dollars worth of revenue for x,y,z"

    Of course he'll get hired - even by big unimaginative corporations who like their cookie-cutter employees.

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    1. Re:Here's why they will. by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Funny

      2. This isn't your typical dime a dozen BSCS or BSEE cubical wage slave that be easily replaced.

      *sniff* At least my children love me...

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      I live ze unknown. I love ze unknown. I am ze unknown.
    2. Re:Here's why they will. by mangu · · Score: 5, Funny

      2. This isn't your typical dime a dozen BSCS or BSEE cubical wage slave that be easily replaced.

      *sniff* At least my children love me...

      *sniff**2 I don't have children, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Here's why they will. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      2. This isn't your typical dime a dozen BSCS or BSEE cubical wage slave that be easily replaced.

      *sniff* At least my children love me...

      Shut up Dad and make me a sandwich. Jesus, what a tedious old fuck...

  6. Re:It's amazing anyone employs him by HeloWorld · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your posting is rather humorous given that you are talking about one of the major icons of the technology world. James Gosling doesn't have to worry about finding a "job". Having been a vice-president at Sun for many years I think he is well beyond needing someone to give him a job. And, having been one of the major contributors to the industry he is very well situated to criticize the industry for it's many mistakes.

  7. Re:It's amazing anyone employs him by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or you get picked up by companies whose CEOs also think Larry Ellison is a dick.

    Meaning Gosling just reduced his range employment choices by 1.

  8. I owe this man alot by codepunk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Without James I would only have to maintain half the servers I do today and would likely be out of a job.

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