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Almost-Satnav For Cycling

Posted by timothy on from the putting-you-in-the-saddle-since-2010 dept.

An anonymous reader writes "A couple of guys (us) in Cambridge have written a cycle routing system, CycleStreets.net, based on open data, and have now released it as a free iPhone app. It's been done on a shoestring, in spare time. There's an API and some disruptive tech in the form of a photo submission screen where street problems can be submitted directly. Because it's open data, you don't have to wait 6 months for the routing to be fixed if there's a bug. Android and .mobi versions are in the works, with the apps being done on GitHub."

119 comments

  1. just a guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From my limited knowledge looking in to the works of Open Street Map it would be best for the cycle-tastic groups wanting to push their agenda to talk about the overall work of OSM and their usability.
    I love open source. I hate a lot of faff. Tried using OSM tracker with OSM and tracking a trip from Sheffield to Exeter - basically crashed my Samsung Galaxy S... and that is the phone I was hoping would take me across Europe as a SatNav.

    Usability is so important. Put you time and effort in to that - the "open data" is already there thanks to OSM.

    1. Re:just a guy by telchine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Usability is so important. Put you time and effort in to that - the "open data" is already there thanks to OSM.

      I just use a TomTom One with a decent bicycle mount. It's easy to use and with USB charging, I can easily power it with a standard battery to USB charger and it cost £100 (much less than an iPhone would have cost). Okay, it doesn't cover bridleways, but you can never be sure what the conditions are going to be like on bridleways. Muddy tracks suitable for horses aren't always suitable for a road bike.

    2. Re:just a guy by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Sound from your comment as if it doesn't have special hike/bike maps... I don't know about GB, but that's not going to cut it in many places... There is a huge number of bike routes that are perfectly fine for road bikes, but which most navigation software (including for the most part Google Maps) is blissfully unaware of. I assume they are selling bike map packs for some areas and some devices. OSM coverage about those routes is extremely good from what I have seen, too bad the satnav gadgets probably can't use that data.

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    3. Re:just a guy by moonbender · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, if I had read on instead of posting in an early thread, I would have known that a) these guys are using OSM data (a fact sorely missing from the summary) and b) you actually CAN use OSM data with Garmin satnavs.

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    4. Re:just a guy by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

      Usability is so important. Put you time and effort in to that - the "open data" is already there thanks to OSM.

      I just use a TomTom One with a decent bicycle mount. It's easy to use and with USB charging, I can easily power it with a standard battery to USB charger and it cost £100 (much less than an iPhone would have cost). Okay, it doesn't cover bridleways, but you can never be sure what the conditions are going to be like on bridleways. Muddy tracks suitable for horses aren't always suitable for a road bike.

      Batteries aren't very practical for significant touring, because they don't last. The last couple of years I've used a solar panel, but it's pretty awkward to arrange a panel to get good consistent sun exposure on a moving bike! However, over the past year chargers have been emerging - mostly in Germany - which charge off a bicycle dynamo: this one seems well made and extremely versatile, while this one fits neatly in the steerer tube and charges via USB. Of course, real geeks will make their own.

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    5. Re:just a guy by N+Monkey · · Score: 1

      Usability is so important. Put you time and effort in to that - the "open data" is already there thanks to OSM.

      I just use a TomTom One with a decent bicycle mount. It's easy to use and with USB charging, I can easily power it with a standard battery to USB charger and it cost £100 (much less than an iPhone would have cost). Okay, it doesn't cover bridleways, but you can never be sure what the conditions are going to be like on bridleways. Muddy tracks suitable for horses aren't always suitable for a road bike.

      Errr... my TomTom One took me (in my non 4wd car) along what I could describe as a muddy bridleway a few days ago when I tried to avoid a jammed road, so I'm not sure that you would really miss out on the mud. To be fair, the detour did work but it was worrying for a while!

    6. Re:just a guy by nmg196 · · Score: 1

      I tried using a TomTom but found it useless. TomTom snaps to roads wherever possible and doesn't really handle off-road navigation at all well. It has no idea about cycle paths and footpaths, or any terrain features which are important to cyclists. Even many streams and lakes are missing!

      I wish they'd add a "pedestrian" or "cycling" mode which turns off all the snapping and just gives you an arrow to your destination (or lets you draw it on the map dot-to-dot style).

    7. Re:just a guy by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      Usability is so important. Put you time and effort in to that - the "open data" is already there thanks to OSM.

      I just use a TomTom One with a decent bicycle mount. It's easy to use and with USB charging, I can easily power it with a standard battery to USB charger and it cost £100 (much less than an iPhone would have cost).

      Now all you need is an extra cell phone and an MP3 player, and you're golden. You are of course right that the iPhone can only be charged by Steve Jobs' RDF, so you are better off with your 3 devices.

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    8. Re:just a guy by richlv · · Score: 1

      you mention a very important point - summary left out one of the most crucial parts, that it is using openstreetmap data (which is great, because, as summary correctly points out, you can easily correct any mistakes or outdated information you find).

      of course, another benefit is that you can do with the data almost everything you want - one of those possibilities being taking it offline with you on a phone, laptop or any other device.

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  2. Re:lol.. by Ohrion · · Score: 1

    You are welcome to try! Please make sure you use some sort or open source or open source related data if you want to be successful. It also doesn't hurt if the app in question is interesting to a large chunk of readership (well, the mods at least). :)

  3. Real time updates by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    you say? Submission by anyone you say? Finally I can get those self righteous morons in Portland to ride into the river.

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    1. Re:Real time updates by Lumpy · · Score: 0, Troll

      You need to do it right. the normal people are fine, it's the ones riding in the spandex trying to show everyone their genitalia... Those are the ones that need a good river ride.

      Dude, you are not going to go faster by wearing tight spandex shorts.. I dont want to see your asscrack in relief or nutsack.. my wife is grossed out about it as well.

      What is it with these guys who think they are Lance Armstrong in the Tour de France...

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    2. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all this from a guy named Lumpy... priceless

    3. Re:Real time updates by JimWise · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think much of it has to do with lessening chaffing, wearing a material that will let your sweat evaporate vs just absorb it, not as a fashion statement to try to catch the eyes of condescending people like you and your wife. Those who ride longer distances/more strenuous routes seem to think it is worth wearing even when having to put up with ribbing/heckling from people like you, so apparently the benefits are noticeable enough to make it worth their while to pay the extra expense of cycling gear (a T-shirt and shorts are quite a bit less expensive) along with wearing it out on a ride on public roads/paths.

    4. Re:Real time updates by topham · · Score: 4, Funny

      That look of disgust on your wife's face is the realization that she could have done better.

    5. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a cyclist I can assure you I don't wear them for the fashion statement. It is much more comfortable on distances over 10 miles with bike shorts. You also don't have to worry about the extra fabric from a normal pair of shorts riding uncomfortably.

    6. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, comparing yourself to an olympic athlete to make your argument. Yeah, you are just like them. Who wouldn't want to see what you're packing, you stud muffin you. If anything, people should be thanking you for the momentary glimpse of perfection you provide.

      And cyclists wonder why everyone hates them. Your unjustified gigantic egos might have something to do with it. Or it could be the unbridled sense of self-entitlement to anything and everything.

    7. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol. I was thinking maybe she's just pretending to be disgusted to take focus away from her increasing wetness.

    8. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The shorts are a lot more comfortable for long sweaty rides. Ride a bike 100 miles in a day and you'll understand. They also actually do help reduce wind resistance. That can save you a fair amount of time for long rides.

      I was wearing cycling shorts when Armstrong was in elementary school. I never thought I was him. I had no idea who he was because he was a decade and half or so from becoming famous.

      What's up with guys who are obsessed with other guys in spandex anyway? It sounds like it's your problem, not theirs.

    9. Re:Real time updates by east+coast · · Score: 1

      I'd really like to see you do a half-century in a pair of Fruit-of-the-Loom briefs and come back and tell us that those of us who wear spandex are just doing it because Lance Armstrong does.

      I do understand where you're coming from and I wear BDU shorts over my riding shorts. I'm not trying to make a fashion statement but riding shorts do serve a real purpose.

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    10. Re:Real time updates by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 1

      try riding any significant distance with regular shorts and see how that works out for you.

      it's not about going faster. it's about the right clothing for the right sport.

      ps - if you're staring at the guys (as opposed to the gals), you're doing it wrong.

    11. Re:Real time updates by russotto · · Score: 1

      Dude, you are not going to go faster by wearing tight spandex shorts.

      Actually, you will. Anything over about 15mph and you'll feel the drag from anything loose.

      I dont want to see your asscrack in relief or nutsack..

      You do realize the shorts are padded, right? And just how closely are you looking at the crotch at some guy bent over on a bike, anyway, you perv?

      my wife is grossed out about it as well.

      <highschool>That's not what she said last night!</highschool>

    12. Re:Real time updates by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Yeah its not only bike riders who benefit from breathable fabrics.

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    13. Re:Real time updates by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      That's funny, comparing yourself to an olympic athlete to make your argument

      I wear bathers (or a wetsuit, when appropriate) when I swim and cycling clothes when I ride. Never been to the Olympics though. So again: how is wearing appropriate clothing for an activity the wrong thing to do?

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    14. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it's jealousy. Just a little bit You know what's ridiculous...the average american is walking around with over 50% of my body weight in FAT ALONE. I work my ass off on the bike, running, in the gym, etc. Why? Because it keeps me alive in combat. But that's beside the point. Perhaps dudes who are looking at us, wearing admittedly tight clothes (again, aerodynamics, comfort on rides well in excess of 100 miles...) are jealous of the fact that we do, in fact, have bodies like olympians.

    15. Re:Real time updates by fluffy99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think much of it has to do with lessening chaffing, wearing a material that will let your sweat evaporate vs just absorb it, not as a fashion statement

      Bingo. That's why I wear bike shorts. Good sweat wicking without seams or folded fabric prevents crotch rot and chaffing. For really long rides (>60-miles), having the thin gel pad is really nice. Of course I'm reasonably fit and don't look too bad in them. I personally don't find the really heavy-set guys or girls in spandex t all that pleasant to look at. But on the positive side, they are out there exercising trying to improve themselves instead of being couch potatoes.

      When I participate in a race and see a really large woman struggling to finish, I recognize that she probably put out more effort and guts than the guy who won the race in half the time.

    16. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I've done several 100+ mile days and ride to/from work regularly(route:http://maps.google.com/au/maps?q=Military+Rd,Cremorne+to+Pyrmont) in nothing more than t-shirt and shorts(I wear boxers if that changes anything) and have never experienced these issues you mention.

      I've had no significant sweat problems(the wind keeps you dry while your riding) and no chafing. I get the wind resistance issue though I suspect you should pay more attention to wheel resistance(under-inflated tires). I too am mystified by all the lycra and padded shorts. So what am I missing?

    17. Re:Real time updates by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 0, Troll

      You have the bodies of anorexic women. You can tout your vanity and health all you want to, but your good health ain't gonna save you when your douchebad dick-helmeted ass tries to exercise right-of-way against a semi or Hummer(LOL yuppies killing yuppies) on freeway turnpikes and other sections of road of which your asses doesn't belong. Swerving into the middle of right-turn lanes, doing anything to maintain your heart-rates.

      This is what sane people hope happens to you. Where's your "health" now, yuppies?!

    18. Re:Real time updates by DeathElk · · Score: 1

      First up, congrats on the commute - that's a good ride, I know it well. More lower North Shore folks should do it.

      Have you tried a decent pair of knicks, a quality moisture wicking jersey and shoes/pedals with cleats? If not, you should. If you don't benefit from increased pedalling performance, you have probably been pushing through an inefficient postition/setup for years and risk long term knee/back injury. Also, wind resistance greatly outweighs resistance from under-inflated tyres (up to about 40% under-inflation). And, one would hope that anyone who spends over $200 on cycling clothing would know how to pump up their tyres :)

    19. Re:Real time updates by piraat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just biked 35 KM to work, like i do every day. If i don't wear special clothes im all wet when i'm at work, and smelly. I understand most people (you) would take the car instead. However, i settle with some stupid looking clothes.

    20. Re:Real time updates by naich · · Score: 2

      you say? Submission by anyone you say? Finally I can get those self righteous morons in Portland to ride into the river.

      Good lord! How DARE they want to ride their bikes wearing clothes that are comfortable. They should be persecuted until they stop, or you feel better about yourself - whichever happens first.

    21. Re:Real time updates by Ckwop · · Score: 1

      Those who ride longer distances/more strenuous routes seem to think it is worth wearing even when having to put up with ribbing/heckling from people like you, so apparently the benefits are noticeable enough to make it worth their while to pay the extra expense of cycling gear

      I cycle 13 miles to and from work every day wearing Lycra. I know I look like an idiot but wearing that stuff gets me home about ten minutes faster than wearing t-shirts and shorts.

      I'd rather have 50 extra minutes with my wife a week than Kowtow to the hecklers. Besides, most of them are throwing stones in glass houses anyway - they're hardly supermodels are they?

    22. Re:Real time updates by julesh · · Score: 1

      you say? Submission by anyone you say? Finally I can get those self righteous morons in Portland to ride into the river.

      There isn't a river in Portland. Plenty of sea, though.

      (Note: the app in question only has UK maps.)

    23. Re:Real time updates by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bingo. That's why I wear bike shorts. Good sweat wicking without seams or folded fabric prevents crotch rot and chaffing. For really long rides (>60-miles), having the thin gel pad is really nice. Of course I'm reasonably fit and don't look too bad in them. I personally don't find the really heavy-set guys or girls in spandex t all that pleasant to look at. But on the positive side, they are out there exercising trying to improve themselves instead of being couch potatoes.

      When I participate in a race and see a really large woman struggling to finish, I recognize that she probably put out more effort and guts than the guy who won the race in half the time.

      One in every three Americans, one in every four British, Australian, New Zealand and Canadian people are obese. English speaking people are the fattest, slobbiest, laziest people on the planet. The only non-English speaking country to make it into the top seven fattest countries is Mexico. So what if fat people in cycling shorts look fugly? OK, I agree, they do. But they are out there doing something about it, and next year they're going to look less ugly and be healthy, while you car-driving couch potatoes are just getting uglier and less healthy.

      People don't wear lycra to show off or look good. Most people don't look good in lycra (Vicky Pendleton excepted, of course). People wear lycra because it's comfortable and practical. But hey, if you're content to waddle from your car to the burger joint until you're too fat to eat anywhere but a drive in, don't mind us. We're not complaining about how you look. Live and let live, after all... at least until you die of stroke or heart attack or diabetes from all that cholesterol and corn syrup.

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    24. Re:Real time updates by dtml-try+MyNick · · Score: 1

      I personally don't find the really heavy-set guys or girls in spandex t all that pleasant to look at. But on the positive side, they are out there exercising trying to improve themselves instead of being couch potatoes.

      Exactly, I hate it when people make mockery of people that actually are doing something to improve themselves.

      No, it's not a feast for the eyes when a seriously over-weighted person is jogging through the streets. But it should be a feast for the brains though, instead of making downgrading remarks you should compliment and encourage them.

      They are the brave and strong ones in a society where looks are almost the single most important thing to judge a person on.

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    25. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've nothing against cross-dressing, it is just a shame that these pricks feel they have to hide their fetishes by pretending spandex tights help them go faster!

    26. Re:Real time updates by xaxa · · Score: 1

      This is what sane people hope happens to you. Where's your "health" now, yuppies?!

      Do you seriously hope people die because they were riding a bike? Does the same apply to pedestrians? People in small cars?

      Please never leave whatever backward town you call home.

    27. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to break the news for you, but actually you (that's the general "you" which means me and everybody else but excluding Lumpy (12016)) are going to go faster if you wear those tight pants and shirts. Friend of mine was non-believer till upgraded his windjacket and got speed increas on same comfort level from 22 to 27 kp/h. Regular oldschool windjacket made him look like sailboat that's going the other way.

      It's so easy to just assume something wrong when you have no knowledge about the issue. It's like me saying, that it disgusts me how you boast about having a wife, and that it woun't give you any night-time activity benefits at all.
      I don't know about it and i don't comment on it. Wink.

    28. Re:Real time updates by ebuck · · Score: 1

      That's funny, comparing yourself to an olympic athlete to make your argument

      I wear bathers (or a wetsuit, when appropriate) when I swim and cycling clothes when I ride. Never been to the Olympics though. So again: how is wearing appropriate clothing for an activity the wrong thing to do?

      When you go to the Olympics, I thought you were supposed to wear an Olympic themed T-shirt and baggy shorts. To me, it sounds like this guy doesn't know how to dress appropriately in any venue.

    29. Re:Real time updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they make biking clothes in normal colors, I might get them. They're all too flashy and advertise that you're too self important. It also makes you look like you're racing, basically sending the wrong image. I also cycle almost daily to work and have no problems in normal clothes.

      Also, unlike the people with the flashy biking attire, I know how to obey the rules of the road. I think that's the main image problem bicyclist have, disregard for traffic and lack of courtesy. You need stop at stop signs and red lights and take turns just like everyone else, not run them and prevent the other person from taking their turn or stomping on their brakes just for you. A cyclist is not a pedestrian.

  4. Openfietskaart.nl by hkz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Congrats on Slashvertising your app. In Holland we've had www.openfietskaart.nl for a while already. There's also www.opencyclemap.org. Yes, open mapping is cool, no, this is not news.

    1. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by topham · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Same thing I was thinking.

      Slashdot has really slipped these past few years.

    2. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by solevita · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's also www.opencyclemap.org. Yes, open mapping is cool, no, this is not news.

      OpenCycleMap tiles are used as part of this app; the news isn't maps for cyclists, it's a satnav app for cyclists that's interesting.

    3. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by Duradin · · Score: 1

      But, but, it has OPEN Data! Not just data, open data!

      And /shifty_eyes disruptive technology! That's gotta be all subversive! Down with the man, man!

    4. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the app being advertised. It's the phones. Especially Apple's. Now, you just "gotta have one".

    5. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by shish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do those offer route planning at all, let alone taking things like hills or noise levels into account? I have actually been looking for a cycle route planner with those features, and this seems to be perfect, except for being (AFAICS) iphone only :(

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    6. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by ooooli · · Score: 1

      Do those offer route planning at all, let alone taking things like hills or noise levels into account?

      Yes, I'm sure they take every single hill in holland into account :p

    7. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by Like2Byte · · Score: 1

      You know, you claim that this is not news. I disagree. Had this story not appeared on /., I'd not know of it, openfietskaart.nl or opencyclemap.org.

      So, yes, this is news.

      Peace out.

    8. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by Askmum · · Score: 1

      OpenCycleMap tiles are used as part of this app; the news isn't maps for cyclists, it's a satnav app for cyclists that's interesting.

      You mean: it's a satnav app for cyclists using an iPhone that is interesting. The iPhone part is the news, as the rest was already here for a long time.

    9. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by Nyh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even in the Netherlands we do not have a satnav app for cyclists on the iPhone. Route for cyclists can be done by the excellent 'fietsrouteplanner' planner from the Fietsersbond (http://www.fietsersbond.nl/fietsrouteplanner/fietsroutes-vandeurtotdeurplanner/index.html). This great planner has lots of options and biker profiles (like shortest route, avoid busy traffic, green route, social safe route, racing cyclist, etc.) but once you are cycling it is quite useless. The route is static, has no rerouting when you choose an other route due to roadworks or just because you felt so.

      I immediately tried out this app but was a bit disappointed. I cannot plan a route from Harwich to Exeter, a route I have cycled multiple times to visit family in England.

      Nyh

    10. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by xaxa · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a normal HTML version at http://www.cyclestreets.net/ , and an Android version is in progress.

    11. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I cannot plan a route from Harwich to Exeter, a route I have cycled multiple times to visit family in England.

      At the moment I think it's aimed at typical commuting distances. 360 km is a very long ride! (How long does that take?!)

      I don't have an iPhone, so I can't try the iPhone version out. Here is an example urban journey (between the two stations in London you'd need to use if you took the train from Harwich to Exeter).

    12. Re:Openfietskaart.nl by Nyh · · Score: 1

      At the moment I think it's aimed at typical commuting distances. 360 km is a very long ride! (How long does that take?!)

      Actually it is close to 400 km (A120, A12, London city center, A4, A30, A303). My best time is 14 hours, worst 20 hours. For the return journey I allot 24 hours because I don't want to miss the ferry. But 400 km isn't that a big distance when you train for rides like Paris-Brest-Paris or London-Edinburgh-London.

      Nyh

  5. Based on OpenStreetMap data by solevita · · Score: 4, Informative
    As one of the devs writes:

    "CycleStreets has been made possible by the brilliant OpenStreetMap project, dubbed the 'Wikipedia of Maps'. Cyclists and others all around the UK collect and update street data that enables us then to create routing that thinks like a cyclist. Unlike traditional SatNav data, OpenStreetMap data is controlled by its user community. Anyone can get involved in OpenStreetMap, and over 300,000 people around the world are already doing so."

    So if you want to help improve the application, and contribute to plenty of other worthy projects, you could think about checking out The Map in your area and seeing if there's anything you could contribute.

    1. Re:Based on OpenStreetMap data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Now that's something that should have been in the description. Not just for the attribution, but rather because this makes the project instantly more interesting since they're building on OSM instead of trying to do their own thing. I hope they contribute back their improvements!

  6. OSM on Garmin for cyclists by ben_kelley · · Score: 5, Informative

    With a suitable Garmin GPS (there are a number of models that do auto-routing that have bicycle mounts), you can load up an OSM based cycle map and get cycle routing that way. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Cycle_map

    If you already own one of these, you'll probably find it is somewhat more water resistant than an iPhone.

    1. Re:OSM on Garmin for cyclists by treeves · · Score: 1

      and probably better battery life as well. If the batteries do go, it's easier to change AA's than to charge the iPhone.

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    2. Re:OSM on Garmin for cyclists by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      Totally right, but some people don't want to spend the extra $200+ dollars for a decent GPS mount or deal with the extra hassle of uploading routes/etc, especially for shorter distances that the iPhone can definitely cover. I don't think a smartphone (that is also the personal phone) is a good choice for long-distance bike routing (tried routing a century ride I did two weeks ago with a completely-offline G1 and RMaps...epic fail), but it's definitely a good choice to have.

    3. Re:OSM on Garmin for cyclists by CompMD · · Score: 1

      My Edge can go for two days without needing to be recharged. And if I wipe out, nothing happens to it, because its actually pretty tough. If an iphone touches the ground in a wipe out, its going to completely shatter.

  7. Distruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're using DISRUPTIVE TECH! Shields are holding at 68 percent.

    Awaiting orders, captain!

  8. UK? WTF? by catmistake · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey... I thought it was clear that slashdot was an American based, American centric summary site. Ok, pretty cool I guess... if I get a new iPhone and find myself cycling in UK... with a mountain of money to pay for overseas roaming.

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    1. Re:UK? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a local prepaid sim, you plonker!

    2. Re:UK? WTF? by jimmydigital · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'm with you.. at first I thought I might be on the wrong site.. but really WTF? Like anyone in the UK cycles anyway.. if they did they wouldn't be so pasty white. Plus.. jeebus help them if they get in an accident... the NHS thinks of cycling as a way to thin the herd.

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    3. Re:UK? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like anyone in the UK cycles anyway..

      Mark Cavendish
      Bradley Wiggins
      Chris Hoy
      David Millar

      Kind of ride a bike once in a while around the UK.

    4. Re:UK? WTF? by hcpxvi · · Score: 1
      Like anyone in the UK cycles anyway.

      Parent answers this by suggesting a few Olympians, but TFA was about Cambridge. If you have ever been there during the University term, you will know that a navigational device is superfluous and unusable. Your bike will be sucked in, swept along and deposited somewhere at random by the dense, kerb-to-kerb flow of other cyclists.

      To pick up another thread, the only sort of clothes they are unlikely to be wearing are Chris-Hoy-style spandex.

    5. Re:UK? WTF? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      the NHS thinks of cycling as a way to thin the herd.

      Officially, the NHS thinks of cycling as an excellent way to reduce future medical costs caused by an obese population, and the existing medical costs of car crashes.

  9. Probably off topic, but I want to know! by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    Is there a good Android app out there I can basically hit "start" on and it will track my movement on a map, my speed, and maybe other things that I can then pimp out to a social networking site afterwards? I like to post my bike rides for my friends, since I have an extra bike and I would like to bring them along. Think advertising. I've got an app that does everything but the map and location meant to track workouts, but I want the map dangit!

    Also, can anyone recommend a handle-bar mount GPS or mobile phone holder big enough to support my EVO and holds it like the fist of an angry god? Don't want it bouncing off. I'm a BMXer and my particular handlebars are very thick in comparison to most 10-speed ones. Most normal handlebar stuff doesn't fit on mine, but I am up for modding.

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    1. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Think I just answered one of my own questions:

      http://www.amazon.com/Bike-Handlebar-Holder-Mount-System/dp/B004424STO/ref=sr_1_1?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285720710&sr=8-1

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    2. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      yes, it is called mytrack, and it is opensource

    3. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by murph · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check out RideTrac for Android. Works great for me.

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    4. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by samurphy21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My Tracks will record your tracks, and I think allow you to import them into google maps. Google latitude, part of Google Maps, will allow those you tag as authorized to view your whereabouts, if you want people to find you when you're out on the road. Those are the two main apps I use for that kind of stuff.

      Do you need to be able to view your phone in this holder, or do you just want it to be able to gather data while you bike? I use a frame bag and just tuck my phone in there, when I'm out.

    5. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I sort of wanted it be able to view it with my speedometer/compass, GPS programs open, of course the My Tracks may be the one to stay open. I'm going to check that one out. I think I found my answer on the mount myself though.

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    6. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      That one looks awesome also. I will try this and My Tracks out and be annoying my friends accordingly!

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    7. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Thank you, I'll be trying that. Love the open source!

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    8. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there's plenty. In fact both Android and iPhone have several bike GPS apps. Just look for them.

    9. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

      Is there a good Android app out there I can basically hit "start" on and it will track my movement on a map, my speed, and maybe other things that I can then pimp out to a social networking site afterwards? I like to post my bike rides for my friends, since I have an extra bike and I would like to bring them along. Think advertising. I've got an app that does everything but the map and location meant to track workouts, but I want the map dangit!

      Yes, My Tracks, free from Google and now open source.

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    10. Re:Probably off topic, but I want to know! by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

      My Tracks will record your tracks, and I think allow you to import them into google maps. Google latitude, part of Google Maps, will allow those you tag as authorized to view your whereabouts, if you want people to find you when you're out on the road. Those are the two main apps I use for that kind of stuff.

      Do you need to be able to view your phone in this holder, or do you just want it to be able to gather data while you bike? I use a frame bag and just tuck my phone in there, when I'm out.

      It will. Here's my Edinburgh to St Andrews ride this year, for example, uploaded direct from the phone. Clicking on the last link in the left hand side bar gives you trip statistics, but does not give you a route profile (you get one onf the phone but not on Google maps).

      MapMyRide.com now have an android app which almost certainly does do route profiles, since the site does, but I haven't tried it yet (will try it today).

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  10. If you really need this... by sleeping143 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    why not just buy a GPS device designed for motorcyclists? They've been around for a while, mount right to the handlebars, and have tons of rider-friendly features. Plus, you don't need a cellular data signal, which I'd think would be uncommon on roads where you'd honestly need GPS mapping. Of course, here I am assuming that this is something you need, and not something you just want for no good reason.

    1. Re:If you really need this... by east+coast · · Score: 1

      So if you're not willing to pour a few hundred into a GPS that means that what you want serves "no good reason"? Huh? I guess people who use calculator apps on their cellphones also do it for "no good reason" if they don't go out and buy a TI-84 Silver Edition Plus. I guess some Slashdotters really have missed the point of a phone that runs apps.

      Most bicyclists don't use GPS because they don't need it for navigation. The much more common reason to have a GPS tracking device is for ride statistics. This particular software seems to deal with preplanned routes that are biker friendly and I'd like to think that if cellular connections are needed for this that the routes were already tested.

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    2. Re:If you really need this... by clyde_cadiddlehopper · · Score: 1

      why not just buy a GPS device designed for motorcyclists?

      Because they cost a boatload?

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    3. Re:If you really need this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Because motorcyclists and (push)cyclists don't generally prefer the same types of roads? In the extreme cases, there are highways where pushbikes are legally forbidden, and cycle paths where motorbikes are legally forbidden.

      Anyway, I find Google Maps does well enough for routing (it has a cycling-specific mode), and use a plain mapping program (no turn-by-turn, recalculating, etc.) to save battery life.

    4. Re:If you really need this... by Idbar · · Score: 1

      You can also get yourself a Nokia cellphone, one of those with free navigation. The maps are stored on your SD card, so no data plan required (or minimal) and you don't need to carry two devices in case of an emergency.

    5. Re:If you really need this... by cbope · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Nokia's mapping software (Maps) is pretty good. Although I have a full-size TomTom GPS for my car, sometimes I leave it at home or just forget to take it. On a few occasions I have substituted my Nokia E75 smartphone as my GPS, and it works really well. Ok, you won't get the lane guidance like TomTom or a really large display, but it gets you from point A to point B efficiently, which is the whole point of a GPS in the first place.

      If you have a Nokia with the Maps application, make sure you update it to the latest 3.0.x release, it's FAR superior to the older bundled 2.0 Maps app that is pre-loaded on many of their GPS-enabled phones. As parent mentioned, being able to download maps and save them to an SD card really saves data transfer costs. I just pre-load maps for the countries I plan to visit before leaving for the trip. My only complaints are that the map downloading and transfer to the phone using Ovi is a bit slow, even using the USB cable, and that you cannot easily delete individual maps from the SD after you no longer need them on the device.

    6. Re:If you really need this... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      why not just buy a GPS device designed for motorcyclists?

      Probably because they are incredibly fucking expensive. As a biker myself, I can't jusify the expense for the odd time when it would be useful. You can get a car one for less than 100 GBP, bike ones seem to be 400 to 500. I appreciate you've got to have something a little better than a suction pad on a plastic cradle on a bike, but still.

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    7. Re:If you really need this... by aug24 · · Score: 1

      Because this takes hills into account.
      Because this allows you to choose fastest/quietest/balanced routes.
      Because this will route you along cycle ways that motorbikes aren't allowed down.

      (Because I already own an iPhone so it's free!)

      Honestly, did you read any of the friendly article at all?

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  11. Re:Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bikers are usually faster than cagers, and you do so much damage to your car when you hit all that metal and engine and wheel. Now cyclists, there's a soft target..

  12. paging Doctor Freud by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Real men aren't afraid of other men's penises.

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    1. Re:paging Doctor Freud by tool462 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, we are. That's why they must be contained in a shield of lycra and spandex. You know, lest they escape.

    2. Re:paging Doctor Freud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find a thin latex shield is enough.

  13. alternatives do exist by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=recharge+iphone+on+bicycle

    some come built in to bicycles

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    1. Re:alternatives do exist by fluffy99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking of google, you do realize that Google Maps already has routing options based on whether you're walking, biking, or taking public transit? I'm not sure how good their maps are or their coverage areas though. They probably don't have an iPhone app either.

    2. Re:alternatives do exist by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      They probably don't have an iPhone app either.

      Well, only the build-in one - but it seems to be missing the cycling button.

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    3. Re:alternatives do exist by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Speaking of google, you do realize that Google Maps already has routing options based on whether you're walking, biking, or taking public transit?

      Google's directions for anything except driving are pathetic in the UK. Where public transport is an option it's missing most routes -- it doesn't even have trains, so to get from Reading to Maidenhead Google suggests a 90 minute bus ride -- with one bus per hour, including a change. The obvious option is the train, there's one every 15 minutes and the journey takes 14 minutes. In London the "transport" overlay shows the London Underground lines, but doesn't show the other rail lines, which are essential for any route planner.

      There's no cycling option for Google Maps UK, but since the map doesn't have any bike paths it wouldn't be any good anyway. It doesn't have footpaths either, which can make for some inefficient walking directions.

      CycleStreets gives you three cycle routes: a fast (may use busy roads) one, a medium one, and a leisure one (very few roads, take some little kids with you). It also gives the profile of the route, and tells you what kind of road you'll be cycling along (e.g. dedicated cycle path, cycle lane on busy road, road with no cycle path etc).

      For general public transport routes over the whole UK http://www.transportdirect.info/ is the best option, although there are better options if you know you need to use a train, or if a local/regional organisation has provided their own route planner. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/ has an excellent journey planner for London, including all public transport (bus, tram, tube, train, boat), cycling and walking.

  14. bbbike.org is an oldie and goodie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And is actually free.

  15. This is awesome. by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

    As a cyclist, seeing any effort that benefits towards improving bike commuting and transportation is wonderful and much appreciated! I think a major benefit for this would be the ability to download map tiles and route over them. RMap on Android does this; not sure if there's any app on the iPhone (apart from Garmin/TomTom) that does the same. This could be a huge battery saver, since it would eliminate needing a constant 3G/EDGE connection throughout the trip. It would obviously require more space, though.

  16. no it's not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Me: cycling, hmm...hmm..., minding my own business
    iPhone: Ding!
    Me: Look down at the iPhone
    iPhone: Pot hole ahea...
    Me: Arghhhhhhh!

    Seriously though, should you be having a satnav on a bike? Won't it affect your concentration and endanger yourself and others? Unlike motorists, you have to balance the bike as well and any loss of concentration would send you in the ditch.

    1. Re:no it's not by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      You should try riding a bike some day.

    2. Re:no it's not by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      You've never ridden a bike, have you? Also, is it true that you've never taken a physics course where you learned about angular momentum?

    3. Re:no it's not by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      Bikes aren't stabilised by the gyroscopic effect of the wheels (although it does have some effect at high speed).

      The way you actually stay upright is by feedback - when you start to fall towards the right you steer right, such that the bike rolls underneath your centre of gravity again. Or to put it another way, if you start falling right, you start turning in a right circle so that the centrifugal force pushes you upright again.

      One of the mechanics professors at Cambridge (Hugh Hunt) made a bike that has wheels with no net angular momentum (they have counter-rotating weights) and you can still ride it.

  17. Cycle computers by Infonaut · · Score: 1

    There are these things called cycle computers. They've been around for a long time. Lots of cyclists use them. They keep track of speed and distance. You look down at it while you're riding. Sometimes you even touch a button to change the display. If you're smart, you use your eyes to look ahead and determine if there are any obstacles within range. You then look down and use the device. In a car this would be called looking at the speedometer, or perhaps adjusting the odometer.

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  18. motorcycles != bicycles by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    why not just buy a GPS device designed for motorcyclists? They've been around for a while, mount right to the handlebars, and have tons of rider-friendly features.

    Because they make GPS units designed for cyclists, and most handheld / outdoorsy GPS units these days can do routing (and there are handlebar mounts.)

    More reasons why motorcycle units wouldn't work, as someone who cycles a fair bit:

    • Bicycles can't go in some places (limited access highways), shouldn't in others (ditto, plus roads over a certain speed where the lane width or lack of shoulder make it very unsafe, or there are poor road conditions), and there are a popular routes, bike lanes, paths, or routes which are longer but avoid hills, etc. Something designed for a motorcycle isn't going to route me down the Esplanade bike path in Boston, for example. It's not going to know to avoid a crazy hill that a quarter mile of redirection will completely avoid. Or know that Mass Ave has a bike lane, or about the protected bike lane (off the road, out of the "door zone") over by MIT.
    • Bicycles don't have power, and anything that can't last more than a few hours is something between useless (if you do long rides like a Century, or you're touring) or inconvenient if you bike for transportation but in a metro-sized area (we already have to charge bike lights fairly often. It's not too uncommon for me to spend 2 hours on my commuter bike in one day.) Yes, I understand that some units are battery-powered, but I think many are designed to be wired into the bike for power. The iPhone-based solutions are almost useless for bicycles because they don't have enough power for all the processor usage, GPS, and data transfer of maps etc. Yes, there are kits that allow you to use your generator hub to power/charge your phone. That's complexity.
    • Weight is important if any appreciable distance is involved. It seems stupid, but every pound is a pound you have to work to move up on elevation changes, and when you're providing the power, you notice this. Particularly if your bike weighs under 20lb.
    • Mounting. There's limited space on a bicycle, particularly a road bike. Garmin units, for example, are designed to mount on the handlebar stem, as are many bicycle "computers" (odometer/speedometer, sometimes includes cadence, ie pedaling speed.)

    Now, weight and battery life aren't a huge deal to someone who commutes, but to someone riding a century (100 miles; a "metric century here in the US refers to a 100km ride), where many turns may be involved, it's pretty damn important; at 15mph, you're riding for almost 7 hours, not including rest, food, water, and bathroom breaks...and there can be a LOT of climbing involved over that distance.

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    1. Re:motorcycles != bicycles by xaxa · · Score: 1

      we already have to charge bike lights fairly often

      If you don't already have LED lights I recommend them; or at least a backup red light. Mine only need new AAA batteries about every 4-6 months.

      (Perhaps you cycle on unlit roads at night -- I don't, I only cycle in London at night, so my lights are so I'm seen, not for me to see by.)

      I had a Garmin eTrex Vista GPS, but I sold it. I found the routing was really slow, and didn't really cope with a city as complicated as London. (I don't tend to do long leisure rides. If I do, I'll probably just follow a signed leisure route.)

  19. Re:Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate drivers. I try to blow their heads off with sawed off 12 guages whenever I can.

  20. Some More Free Apps for Bicycles by wehe · · Score: 1

    There is a short survey of free applications for bicycles at TuxMobil. Most applications are based on Linux. An overview of Open Hardware for bicycles (not much yet) is available there also.

  21. Mappero - Maemo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mappero can also route for cycles based on open street map data and the google bike router:

    http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemo-mapper/

    Works beautifully on my Nokia N900

  22. Mappero Maemo by horli · · Score: 1

    Mappero works perfectly for this purpose on my Nokia N900, it's OS, based on OSM and Google bike router: http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemo-mapper/

  23. BRILLIANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, if they did a version for the UK canal system , it would be worth buying into Apple Product(TM, probably).

    OTOH anything that takes the cyclists eye and mind off the road ahead is probably a safety hazard.

  24. A solution by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

    I don't look so good in spandex/lycra, but you're right about the chafing, etc..

    My solution is to wear loose-fitting cotton shorts -over- the bike shorts. That way, no one has to watch me 'smuggle plums', and I don't have to put up with the chafing or the heckling. Works great!
     

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    1. Re:A solution by cduffy · · Score: 1

      I use a solution along the same lines -- mountain biking shorts. No heckling, no chafing -- they're not so aerodynamic, but I'm not going for speed anyhow.

  25. In the UK it's still illegal for LED only lights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the UK it's still illegal for LED only lights. The change to the law to allow them without needing an incandescent is "on it's way through any day now", but it's been doing that for a few years.

  26. Where's the unbiased version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This only works in the UK. Where is the version that is not euro-centric, biased, and showing of favoritism to one country over another?

    1. Re:Where's the unbiased version? by DeathElk · · Score: 1

      Break out your keyboard and start contributing ;)

  27. Re:In the UK it's still illegal for LED only light by xaxa · · Score: 1

    Not true, see here for example.

  28. Another option for iPhone bike computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been using cyclemeter (http://www.abvio.com/cyclemeter) for a few months now and it is very nice. If you are looking for something to record your rides and map them, this is likely more well suited than the above mentioned app.

  29. Google navigation should have this soon enough by aimansmith · · Score: 1

    First off, kudos to these guys for trying to fill this void. That having been said, I think it's only a (short) matter of time before Google Nav has this, if it doesn't already. Specifically, what I (and many others would like) is to be able to create a route in Google Maps, export / save it, and then have the turn-by-turn Android GPS thigamabob give me turn-by-turn directions. Particularly in a lot of European cities, the best route from point A to point B via bike is completely different from the best route by car. Anyway, myself (and quite a few others) have been clamoring for this feature for a little while, and Google's response is "this is one of the most requested features", so I'm guessing it can't be too far away (assuming it's not here already, haven't checked in a while). Still, for off-road stuff, this might be handy, although if you're going off-road I don't know why you even need a map in the first place, and therefore see no reason to limit it to the UK.

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