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Does A Company Deserve the Same Privacy Rights As You?

An anonymous reader writes "The Supreme Court has agreed to hear an important case to determine whether or not AT&T deserves 'personal privacy' rights. The company claimed that the FCC should not be allowed to distribute (under a Freedom of Information Act request) data it had collected concerning possible fraud and overbilling related to the e-rate program. The FCC argued that the information should be made public and that companies had no individual right to 'personal privacy,' the way individuals do. As it stands right now, the appeals court found that companies like AT&T do deserve personal privacy rights, and now the Supreme Court will take up that question as well. Given the results of earlier 'corporation rights' cases, such as Citizens United, at some point you wonder if the Supreme Court will also give companies the right to vote directly."

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  1. Really by KillaGouge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this comes to pass, then corporations will soon have more rights than people do. I'd expect to see a whole lot of real estate transactions in Delaware, and a lot more corporations being set up as people incorporate themselves to enjoy everything the government has been doing for corporations lately.

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    1. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      then corporations will soon have more rights than people do

      They already do. They get all the rights we do but with very few of
      the consequences.

    2. Re:Really by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not just let corporations take over the government...

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    3. Re:Really by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They already do. They get all the rights we do but with very few of the consequences.

      Absolutely. Corps will start to deserve the same rights as people the day something like a manslaughter verdict is enough to fiscally isolate an entire corp from society in the same way jail would isolate a flesh and blood human.

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    4. Re:Really by IICV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed, by definition a corporation is set up to make people less liable for their actions. I mean, what did you think LLC stands for? Sure, if you order your corporate minions to outright murder someone you'll usually go to jail, but if it's along the lines of "whoops, the battery in that car explodes and kills people? Who would have guessed?" all that happens is that the corporation is fined some money. The government doesn't even get to go after anyone's personal bank account.

      I personally think that this is a complete travesty. We should, basically, abolish the corporation. If you're going to do business, you will be responsible for making sure your products don't kill people - not some nebulous legal entity.

  2. Yes by dmomo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When it can die like I can. When it can be taken off the streets indefinitely for doing harm to other people, the way I can.

    Same goes for free speech in my opinion.

  3. Public Company by HEbGb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a public company, this is clearly material information that needs to be disclosed to all shareholders (current and potential). Once you start trading stock, your corporate right to privacy pretty much disappears, at least where possible criminal activity is concerned.

  4. Since when are rights deserved? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Rights exist or don't exist. Once you start to use the term "Do X deserve the right to Y?" you have already lost.

  5. Corporations aren't people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Recently on August 23rd this year, UNITED STATES v. HAVELOCK concluded that mailing threatening communications in violation of 18 U.S.C. 876(c), which makes it a felony to mail a communication addressed to any other person, does not apply to companies and corporations like news organizations. So since they are not persons, they should not be bound by personal privacy laws.

  6. Rights Are not "Deserved" by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rights are not privileges. Privileges might be deserved or not. Rights are not "deserved": they are an inalienable feature of a person. Whatever the "creator" is, the creator of actual people that endowed people with inalienable rights is not a person (nor a government), and does not create corporations. People and governments create corporations, which do not have inalienable anything. Corporations are put together and made, and they can be separated from anything that makes them. They have no rights, only privileges actually assigned to the people who are the executives of the corporation.

    The entire notion that a corporation is a person is a legal fraud originally perpetrated as a scam by a railroad monopoly. It's only though relentless corporate interference with the law in the US that corporations are treated as "persons" in any way. This fundamental injustice is the deepest flaw in our current democratic republic, and the source of the majority of our hardest to solve problems.

    As for privacy, the US government already fails to protect the privacy of actual people according to the enumeration in the Fourth Amendment: "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects". Somehow Supreme Court justices can read that specification and not recognize the right to privacy it not only recognizes, but actually enumerates. To protect the privacy of corporations as a matter of "right" would pervert the fundamental basis of the US government beyond any ability to take it seriously except as a public office of private corporate power.

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  7. Corporations *do* have rights by Infonaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The employees *inside* the corporation have the right to vote, speak, hire lobbyists, et cetera but the corporation itself has no more rights than a building.

    The participants in a corporation are shielded for the most part from personal liability. That's the secret sauce that makes corporations so desirable; the people who form a company can pool their money and the entity is held responsible for the activities they collectively engage in, rather than the individuals involved. This is a great incentive for generating entrepreneurial activity, but it also means that the corporation has a legal life of its own, separate from even the founding individuals, much less people who were brought aboard long after the founders died.

    The people inside the corporation spend money on lobbyists, PR campaigns, PACs, and so on, but they are merely the servants of the corporation. When Altria spends millions on local, state, and federal elections every year, it's not because J. Worthington Snipe, the guy who runs their Dirty Tricks Division, is exercising his rights as an individual. It's because Altria is taking advantage of its legal right to free speech, as defined by a series of Supreme Court decisions that completely ignore the fact that voting rights only matter if they are not completely overpowered by the 1st Amendment rights of goliath corporations.

    The fact that corporations are legal fictions in no way diminishes the fact that they have been given many rights we would otherwise associate only with human beings.

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    1. Re:Corporations *do* have rights by countertrolling · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...how do you mete out punishments?

      Corporate death penalty. Revoke the charter. Seize all assets. Render all shares worthless. It would be very effective. The so-called "innocent" share holders? Tough shit... Next time keep an eye on the people you invest with.

      Corporate officers who make decisions can be charged personally for any criminal violations that may occur.

      So yes. it can be made as simple as desired.

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    2. Re:Corporations *do* have rights by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish I had mod points today. But you're already at +5 so ... ;)

      Corporates server under charter of the state. They exist as a creation of the state. And as such the state should be able to revoke the charter under certain conditions, and the board of directors and Chief officers arrested and held criminally.

      The board is there to make sure that the Officers are doing their job, and if everyone is on the same ticket, they should be tossed into the same cell to rot.

      I'm for free markets, and liberty to people. Not corporate collectivism and rights to non-person entities.

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  8. Re:Short answer: no. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Informative

    But corporations *ARE* people in the eyes of law. Even though it wasn't a precedent that was argued in a case (it was a footnote in a case added by a clerk, actually) it is accepted by the courts as precedent, which is what the recent election law ruling saying corporations can spend unlimited money was all about.

    Knownothings call for constitutional amendments for stuff like taking away gay rights all the time... why does no one call for a constitutional amendment to REVERSE corporate personhood? It is probably one of the most important constitutional issues of our time and no one talks about it.

    And we talk about "strict consitutionists..." When you do the research, there is plenty of evidence that the framers of the constitution did not believe in corporate rights in ANY way. They were VERY sceptical of corporate rights because of their dealings with the East India Company.

    We are living through the looking glass when it comes to these issues today. Watch how this goes... people that are for corps. spending as much money as they want in elections say it makes things transparent... but give corporations privacy rights and all of a sudden they can spend all they want on any candidates and don't have disclose what they spend to anyone... and the corporations get even more rights!

  9. A Person has privacy, a Corporation trade secrets by cmholm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A corporation is not a natural person, it is a fictitious entity, and so by definition has no privacy to protect. Each individual can protect their individual privacy. The individuals can band together into an association and protect their freedom of association (to some degree).

    A corporation has trade secrets, which it protects as a proxy for the interests of the shareholders. There is already legislation and case law protecting trade secrets. A court should not confuse trade secrets with personal privacy.

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