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Levitating Graphene Is Fastest-Spinning Object

techbeat writes "A flake of exotic carbon a few atoms thick has claimed a record: the speck has been spun faster than any other object, at a clip of 60 million rotations per minute. Previously, micrometre-sized crystals have been spun at up to 30,000 rpm using an optical trap. It is thanks to graphene's amazing strength that the flakes are not pulled apart by the much higher spinning rate, says Bruce Kane at the University of Maryland in College Park. Spinning could be a way to probe the properties of graphene, or manipulate it in new ways."

146 comments

  1. neat by Gnaythan1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    can you give it enough mass to make it into a decent flywheel?

    1. Re:neat by zrbyte · · Score: 1

      can you give it enough mass to make it into a decent flywheel?

      More precisely, you mean its moment of inertia. It'll make a decent flywheel, if it has low moment of inertia but very high velocity, since the product of these two is what counts.

      In this case if you increase the mass (thereby increasing the moment of inertia) the system will just tare itself apart due to centrifugal forces. The thing here is that they could make it spin really, really fast because graphene is very light. For one it is made up of a single sheet of graphite (2D crystal) and graphite itself is made out of carbon, a relatively light element.

    2. Re:neat by catmistake · · Score: 1

      can you give it enough mass to make it into a decent flywheel?

      no problemo

    3. Re:neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he means the energy stored. And obviously you would increase the mass by adding more specks, not by creating a large one. So what does the math say? Could one kg of tiny spinning specks store more energy than a large one, where in each case the rpm is below the tear-itself-apart threshold?

    4. Re:neat by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      Ok, I was with you until I read the word "centrifugal"... I was under the impression that science left that word behind long ago for "centripetal". At least that's what we were taught in the 80's. Has it come back in fashion to use it?

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    5. Re:neat by sFurbo · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't matter, the maximum energy stored per mass of flywheel is the specific tensile strength of the material. If the specks have higher specific tensile strength than the bulk, it would be more, though.

    6. Re:neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      centrifugal != centripetal. centripetal force keeps the graphene together, centrifugal force tries to break it apart.

    7. Re:neat by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Im sure there are corpses spinning in their graves faster than this.

      Can we use them as flywheels?

    8. Re:neat by N3Roaster · · Score: 2, Funny
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    9. Re:neat by severoon · · Score: 1

      Let's make it magnetic and call it a hard drive!

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    10. Re:neat by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1
      Correct equation, wrong explanation:

      centrifugal == NOT REAL != REAL == centripetal

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    11. Re:neat by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      That's a very inertial-frame-centric view of the Universe, but it isn't true except for very deviant definitions of "real" that also rejects relativity and implies that gravity is not "real" (for it, too, is a fictitious force, which isn't the same as saying it isn't real).

      The GP is actually correct.

    12. Re:neat by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Shoot, in the 90's we were taught in Enginurrin skewl that there isn't technically any such thing as "centrifugal force" let alone "centripetal force".

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    13. Re:neat by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1
    14. Re:neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    15. Re:neat by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Done! Now we just need to run some FTL contact leads...

    16. Re:neat by endymion.nz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, it is better described by the conservation of angular momentum, but we all know what a centrifuge does.

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    17. Re:neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These days, you merely guess (A) (B) (C) (D). None of that ambiguous knowledge stuff is necessary.

    18. Re:neat by shentino · · Score: 1

      Even electrical signals, which move at close to the speed of light, have to be sent on smaller and shorter pathways in modern chips to get speedups.

      They run at gigahertz speeds, which implies nanosecond timings. A flywheel with decent mass spinning a million RPM is only four orders of magnitude away from the speed of light.

    19. Re:neat by Nyh · · Score: 1

      They run at gigahertz speeds, which implies nanosecond timings. A flywheel with decent mass spinning a million RPM is only four orders of magnitude away from the speed of light.
      It all depends.

      Speed of light: 300e6 m/s
      Speed of micrometer scale graphene flakes spinning at 60 million rpm:
      2*pi*1e-6/1e-6 = 6 m/s = 21.6 km/h
      I think you can get any material spinning at 60 million rpm at micrometer scale. Tensile strength is not very important at these speeds.

      It is a nice trick though.

      Nyh

    20. Re:neat by shentino · · Score: 1

      GGP said flywheel, not flake.

  2. Reminds me ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... of trying to teach the GF to drive a stickshift back in high school. Went through a few clutches back then.

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    1. Re:Reminds me ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      big blocks allow you to let the clutch out without adding very much, if at all, throttle.

    2. Re:Reminds me ... by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      Next time you teach someone to drive a manual, don't let them touch the accelerator until they learn how to use the clutch..?

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    3. Re:Reminds me ... by somersault · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      The size of the engine doesn't matter, you can do the same on cars with tiny engines if you're careful. The wussiest car I ever drove was the 16v 1.2 that my instructor had, and even that was fine starting off even up up a slight slope with no throttle.

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    4. Re:Reminds me ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're supposed to teach her how to drive "stick", not stickshift. You got it wrong there buddy.

    5. Re:Reminds me ... by corbettw · · Score: 5, Funny

      And avoid girlfriends who think it's OK to twist and pull the stick shift violently, whether it's ready or not. Could be indicative of future, uh, problems.

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    6. Re:Reminds me ... by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      This isn't as funny as it is practical. Any manual transmission car with a decent idle control system can be driven without touching the gas pedal given the clutch is used gracefully. Trying to teach someone how to drive a manual car via "gas in, clutch out" is a sure way to simultaneously fail to teach them the right way to drive, and ruin your clutch.

    7. Re:Reminds me ... by BenFenner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      x2 this not being funny. It is 100% informative. This is exactly how you need to learn to operate a manual transmission. You don't use the throttle until you are good and smooth with the clutch. The engine's idle control will keep the engine running and the revs high enough to get the car started from a roll in 1st gear. The idle control valve will apply the "throttle" for you. Just enough. If you can get the car going using no throttle (entirely possible and very easy once you've learned to be smooth and mindful with your left foot) then you will be in much better shape to work the clutch when you are finally allowed by your mentor to use the throttle.

    8. Re:Reminds me ... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Yup, an old uncle taught me and my cousins how to use the clutch by getting us to hold his truck on a slope using just the clutch and then being able to go forward and backward with the clutch. Fun stuff.

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    9. Re:Reminds me ... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Depends on how much torque the engine produces and at what speed. A Yamaha R6 I4 and a Harley V-twin will react very differently.

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    10. Re:Reminds me ... by inanet · · Score: 1

      while I've certainly driven cars with the right level of torque (especially diesel turbo utes with huge torque figures... had one that could do 30kph in first without touching the accelerator)

      this is not a rule. this is not 100% informative, i would pay money to anyone who could have done anything but stall my last car without giving it a little throttle, and it had a very powerful motor.

      but also an exceedingly heavy triple clutch. (to be fair _everyone_ who got in that car stalled it the first time they tried to drive)

      but on topic, harddrive and flywheel applications for this tech?

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    11. Re:Reminds me ... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      A buddy had a '67 Corvair that had been a NASA camera platform for filming planes landing. The roof was chopped off, a 327 small block was installed in the back seat and a plywood platform on top of the engine.

      You could have the car in 4th gear and let off the clutch too fast and it spin the tires. So much torque in such a light car!

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    12. Re:Reminds me ... by PPH · · Score: 1

      Yeah. My car doesn't have a safe word.

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  3. Awesome by NeonTiger · · Score: 1

    Could this material be used to make HYPER MEGA TERRIBLY ASTRO FAST harddisks?

    1. Re:Awesome by Pojut · · Score: 1

      No, but it could be made to create indestructible ballet dancers.

      Think of it. No more sprained ankles...no more broken toes...it would revolutionize the culture!

    2. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    3. Re:Awesome by nacturation · · Score: 1

      No, but it could be made to create indestructible ballet dancers.

      Think of it. No more sprained ankles...no more broken toes...it would revolutionize the culture!

      Yeah, but people will still be unable to agree which way her silhouette is spinning!

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  4. Time to upgrade! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    60000x CD Rom drives here we come!

  5. This is a great leap forward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... in Dradle technology.

    1. Re:This is a great leap forward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Dradle dradle dradle
      It's small and made of clay
      But I'm not gonna play with it
      'Cause dradle's fuckin' gay.
      </CARTMAN>

  6. uhm, 30 000RPM? by Skal+Tura · · Score: 3, Informative

    Summary fscked up. 30 000RPM isn't exactly much at all.

    Ie. almost all RC (radio controlled) model brushless motors can do 30k RPM, and some brushed motors can do that as well...

    Nevermind so many other things which do spin reaaally fast ...

    1. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Isn't 30,000RPM where most Hondas need to be run in order to make any sort of usable power?

    2. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 1

      Blame New Scientist, the typo is there and was just quoted verbatim. Although there really should have been some basic sanity checking before it hit the front page (perhaps as a snarky "30,000 RPM? Really" footnote), I've long since learned not to expect such feats from the editors.

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    3. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by nedlohs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A brushless motor is not a crystal being spun in an optical trap.

      The world record for the 100m dash is 9.58 seconds. That an F16 could do it faster is irrelevant to that claim.

      Of course why they chose to mention that, given it isn't using the same technique, is a mystery. But they never claimed that was some kind of general spinning speed record.

    4. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by retroStick · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not a typo, it's talking about rotations of a single microcrystal.
      The previous article that is referenced records rates of 500 rotations per second - which is 30,000rpm.

    5. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by mea37 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If only they'd thought to attach their single microcrystal to a brushless motor...

    6. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      Some turbines spin at 250,000 RPM...

      Some turbos spin at upwards of 500,000 RPM...

    7. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by Beardydog · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a CRXologist, I can confirm this.

    8. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Turbos regularly go into the 100,000+ rpm region.

    9. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by ELCouz · · Score: 1

      VTEC Just Kicked In Yo bro!

    10. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by treeves · · Score: 1

      IIRC, my Dremel tool (which has a brushed motor) can do 30,000 RPM. I expect dental drills can go even faster.

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    11. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nevermind so many other things which do spin reaaally fast ...

      Yeah, like the founding fathers in their graves when looking at the state of the USA these days... :/

    12. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      No peak power is much lower. 30krpm is where the torque kicks in.

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    13. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Poor clubwrx never saw it coming...

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    14. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by srodden · · Score: 1

      The motorised ones do 5k-30k rpm. Common pneumatic high speed drills do 400k rpm.

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    15. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by BenJaminus · · Score: 1

      "60 million rotations per minute" seems pretty fast. 30000 rpm seems to be their previous best for levitating small crystals.

    16. Re:uhm, 30 000RPM? by mea37 · · Score: 1

      I guess I shouldn't complain, but I have to wonder why my dumbest jokes are getting mods like "Interesting" lately... This is worrying.

  7. 30k rpm = typo by wheeda · · Score: 1

    They make 20k rpm hard drives. I'll bet that is a typo for 30k rpm. I'll bet it should be 30M rpm.

    1. Re:30k rpm = typo by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      or maybe 30k RPS?

    2. Re:30k rpm = typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      No typo. Read the original abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19424395

      500 turns per second. But your HD isn't put to rotation by a light beam - that's the news of this article, not the speed.

    3. Re:30k rpm = typo by Paul+Rose · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up The summary and article were correct, but a bit confusing. 30,000 RPM was the record for spinning a crystal with light, not an overall RPM record.

  8. 30k rpm seems awefully unimpressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    really? only twice as fast as a 15k rpm drive when you reduce the size from inches to micrometers? learn something interesting every day.

    1. Re:30k rpm seems awefully unimpressive by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      It sounds slow, but what you don't realise is that they're scaling down that hard drive in realtime.

  9. Video? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No wait, even if we have a video that ran at one million frames per second all we would see is an immobile object. At two million frames per second we would see it move instantly by 180 degrees...

    How did they calculate that 60 million rotations per minute again?

    1. Re:Video? by wjousts · · Score: 1

      Obviously you don't observe it with a video camera! Without bother to RTFA, I'd guess something like a femtosecond laser used.

    2. Re:Video? by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      My guess would be that they calculate based on measuring the amount of energy input into the system and subtracting what is observed escaping.

      I bet if I read TFA that would eliminate the need to make guesses, but this is slashdot.

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    3. Re:Video? by wjousts · · Score: 2, Informative

      So after RTFA(bstract):

      At micro-torr pressures, torques from circularly polarized light cause the levitated particles to rotate at frequencies >1MHz, which can be inferred from modulation of light scattering off the rotating flake when an electric field resonant with the rotation rate is applied.

    4. Re:Video? by vigour · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No wait, even if we have a video that ran at one million frames per second all we would see is an immobile object. At two million frames per second we would see it move instantly by 180 degrees... How did they calculate that 60 million rotations per minute again?

      They shoot a laser beam through the sample, which they measure with a detector at the other side. Then they apply an electric field to the flakes at high frequency (> 1 MHz). They scan the frequency of the electric field from 4 kHz up to 3MHz. When the frequency of the electric field is the same as the frequency of the rotating flake you get a resonance which appears as a sudden spike in the laser detector. That's how they know what the rotation rate is, and the dielectric response of graphite to an electric field is well known so they can cross check this with theory.

      ...and technically we do have video systems that can acquire data up to 1 peta Hz (or if you're american you'd say 1 quadrillion Hz). Femtosecond lasers are used in chemistry for more than a decade now to image fast chemical reactions.

      Hope this rambling post helps!

    5. Re:Video? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      From the abstract linked above:

      At micro-torr pressures, torques from circularly polarized light cause the levitated particles to rotate at frequencies >1MHz, which can be inferred from modulation of light scattering off the rotating flake when an electric field resonant with the rotation rate is applied.

    6. Re:Video? by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      Rain Man.

    7. Re:Video? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      The same way they calculate rotations in a Dynaflex powerball, albeit on a larger and more precise scale.

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    8. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > (or if you're american you'd say 1 quadrillion Hz)

      Why? For all things hertz we're already using kilo/mega/giga/tera due to computers. PetaHz would probably get an "or one million gigaHz".

    9. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      give a two-year-old a Red Bull and a Snickers bar

  10. Fastest spin? Hardly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A flake of exotic carbon a few atoms thick has claimed a record: the speck has been spun faster than any other object, at a clip of 60 million rotations per minute.

    I don't know about that being the fastest spin. Have you seen $POLITICIAN's handling of the $RECENT_NEWS_EVENT? Ba-zing!

  11. Math Nerd Here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    60,000,000 RPM is (approximately) 1,000,000 per second.

    No thanks necessary, you're welcome.

    1. Re:Math Nerd Here! by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 1

      60,000,000 RPM is (approximately) 1,000 per millisecond.

      No thanks necessary, you're welcome.

      Seriously, we could do this all day :)

    2. Re:Math Nerd Here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoooooooooooooooooosh!

      Captcha: Particle

    3. Re:Math Nerd Here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, math nerd, if you're so smart, how many revolutions does that make per hour? Eh? Eh?

    4. Re:Math Nerd Here! by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      60,000,000, because after the first minute, it stops.

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  12. Niven's dream by coandco · · Score: 1

    So that's what a Warlock's Wheel has to be made of...

    1. Re:Niven's dream by idontgno · · Score: 1

      And Nevinyrral's Disk, as well.

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  13. I'm the general... by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    ...and I say it has to spin!

    1. Re:I'm the general... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Hee hee. Props for originality.

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  14. more funding is on the way by a2wflc · · Score: 1

    politicians can't wait for this technology to become usable.

  15. so? by KnightBlade · · Score: 0

    What uses can this possibly have? The material is "exotic" so probably extremely expensive. Rotating it at tremendous speeds proves what? Yes, its strong enough, but what do we put these on display in malls? Just asking...

  16. That is impressive but not as interesting as... by Assmasher · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...when I watched an idiot EN3 (Petty officer 3rd class) walking on a prop shaft cover (which he knew he wasn't supposed to do) while we were under way and slipping and engaging the tiny tiny tiny tiny little gear that was intended to turn the shaft in port to avoid warping. I don't remember the ratio of the gear but it was something on the order of a few hundred thousand to one (it turned the shaft once every 90 minutes or something) and when this dipstick engaged it (someone was doing maintenance on it so it was unlocked) the shaft was doing 150 rpm or so. I remember doing the math at the time and figuring out the max RPM on the gear was somewhere along the lines of 35 million plus rpm. Now, the gear didn't make it that high since it disintegrating with what sounded like a bomb going off. Thank God it was small as it blew holes through bulkheads, steel covers, blew the cover off the rocker arms on the diesel engine 20 feet away. Nobody was hurt except for some ringing ears. Ahh, those 3 years in the Navy before I go to university, what things we learned... Hehe. BTW, the 'instant petty officer' was upside down in the reduction gear lube sump the minute we got back into port as punishment (the cheng [chief engineer] had him practicing his needle-gunning skills in the bilge two hours every morning in the meantime.)

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    1. Re:That is impressive but not as interesting as... by MachDelta · · Score: 3, Funny

      When I worked as a mechanic I once saw a crankshaft pully come off at speed. My co-worker was replacing a timing belt on an older for Escort and had a bit of trouble getting it lined up properly. When he figured it out he got all excited and hopped in the car without actually bothering to bolt the pully to the crank... so when he fired it up, and it worked, he got all excited and revved the engine a few times. This sped up the inevitable march of the pully down the end of the crank, where it ran out of room and fell off while doing about 4000rpm. It bounced twice in a shower of sparks, and the third time it "hooked up" and shot across the floor of the garage like a rocket. Needless to say, the engine died and the pully was now in more than one piece, as was the bit of wall it smashed into. My co-worker was devastated, but the rest of us were in stitches. :)

    2. Re:That is impressive but not as interesting as... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      but the rest of us were in stitches. :)

      Fortunately, not literally! :)

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  17. Other elements by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder how fast you could spin a nitrogen molecule before it falls apart? It should be calculable. Would hydrogen go even faster?

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    1. Re:Other elements by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      According to Wikipedia, the dissociation energy of N2 is about twice that of H2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_dissociation_energy), but it weighs seven times as much. So unless the two N atoms are significantly closer together (I was unable to quickly determine their distance), it would seem the H2 molecule could spin faster than the N2 molecule. (I'm assuming they would dissociate when the rotational energy exceeds the dissociate energy.)

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  18. impressive record! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > claimed a record: ...a clip of 60 million rotations per minute

    Wow, times change. When I was a lad, most records were only 33 1/3 RPM, although a few were 45's, 78's, or 16's as well. But millions? We had nothing like that!

  19. They have a saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In Romania they have a saying: Go spinning around.

    It roughly means go f*** yourself.

    1. Re:They have a saying... by igny · · Score: 1

      Who gives a spin about Romania?

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  20. Is it relativistic? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    The speed makes me think of what would happen to a rotating sphere that spins so fast the outer portions become relativistic and undergo both spatial and temporal changes relative to the inner core.

    1. Re:Is it relativistic? by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      The speed makes me think of what would happen to a rotating sphere that spins so fast the outer portions become relativistic and undergo both spatial and temporal changes relative to the inner core.

      The abstract says that the graphene is micron sized, so

      v = PI*D*w

      D = 1E-6
      w = rotational frequency = 1E6 Hz

      v = 3 m/s

      Sadly, not relativistic.

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  21. It depends on what you call an object by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A gas molecule rotates if you hit it with the right microwave frequency. 'Microwave' means it will rotate in the giga-Hertz.

    I don't have time now but if you google on rotation and spectroscopy ...

  22. some neutron stars rotate near light speed by peter303 · · Score: 1

    A 10-km diameter neutron star rotating in a millisecond is moving 30,000 km per second at the surface. That is tenth light speed and relativistic effects must be considered. "Neutron star" is just a name. The actual composition may be a quark soup, i.e single mega-nucleus. The attractive strong-nuclear & gravitational forces versus the repulsive centripedal and electrostatic forces are near unimaginable.

    1. Re:some neutron stars rotate near light speed by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Can you cite something for this? The highest spin rate I could find for a neutron star (XTE J1739-285) is 1122 times a second and it seems that it may not even be the correct rate.

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    2. Re:some neutron stars rotate near light speed by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Your finding validates the GP's comment:

      10 km diameter * PI ~= 30 km at the equator

      (30 km / rotation) * (1122 rotations / second) ~= 30,000 km / second ~= 10% * c

      Perhaps you were thinking of rotations per microsecond?

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    3. Re:some neutron stars rotate near light speed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      1122 times a second sounds like one rotation in something less than a millisecond, no?

    4. Re:some neutron stars rotate near light speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you cite something for this? The highest spin rate I could find for a neutron star (XTE J1739-285) is 1122 times a second and it seems that it may not even be the correct rate.

      Um... you just cited it yourself.
      1122 revolutions / second is 0.000891... seconds per revolution, that's less than 1 millisecond (0.001 seconds).

      Added fun: CAPTCHA is "convert"

    5. Re:some neutron stars rotate near light speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you cite something for this? The highest spin rate I could find for a neutron star (XTE J1739-285) is 1122 times a second and it seems that it may not even be the correct rate.

      1122 times a second is faster than a rotation per millisecond, milli = 1/1000th, not 1/1000000th... I wish the US would just start using metric, people can't even get prefixes right...

    6. Re:some neutron stars rotate near light speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is over 1000 rotations per second not less than 1 millisecond per rotation? I see no problem here.

    7. Re:some neutron stars rotate near light speed by qmaqdk · · Score: 1

      Can you cite something for this? The highest spin rate I could find for a neutron star (XTE J1739-285) is 1122 times a second and it seems that it may not even be the correct rate.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar

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  23. Ultimate Tilt-a-Whirl by decavolt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally a material strong enough to build the ultimate Tilt-aWhirl

    1. Re:Ultimate Tilt-a-Whirl by shock1970 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking Sit-N-Spin

  24. Spinning microcrystals by digitalderbs · · Score: 1

    As noted by another poster, 30000rpm isn't a record. In my field of solid-state nuclear magnetic resonance, magic-angle spinning rotors can achieve 70kHz--or 4.2M rpm. Samples of 1-30mg of microcrystalline protein (or other sample) are spun in rotors of microliter volume using dry air : bearing gas to create a bed of air for the rotor, and a drive gas to propel the rotor. Spinning the sample suppresses anisotropic magnetic fields in the sample and simulate solution-like conditions.

  25. Space elevator by tmosley · · Score: 1

    Would it be simpler to use a sheet of graphene to build a space elevator rather than carbon nanotubes? It certainly seems to have the tensile strength for it...

    1. Re:Space elevator by paul248 · · Score: 1

      Isn't a carbon nanotube just a rolled-up strip of graphene?

  26. Re:Fastest spin? Hardly. by tmosley · · Score: 1

    You'll need some sort of robotic politician from the future to pull that off.

    Oh SHI-

  27. BOOORING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wake me when they spin it 100M rpm... and make it 1m in diameter.

  28. new hard drives? by kj_kabaje · · Score: 1

    I can't wait for my new 60 million rpm hard drive! No I didn't RTFA, this is /. That said, I suspect translating this to an applied take a smidge longer than my life span.

  29. This doesn't sound right. by jd · · Score: 1

    My understanding is that it is graphite if there's more than one layer and it is only graphene when it is a single layer, which by definition is also a monatomic layer. If this is correct, then you cannot have graphene a few atoms thick. That has no meaning.

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  30. Re:You know what else spins that fast? by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Funny

    at a cool million rotations per second, and given the friction coefficient of human skin is about 0.8, I'd say that you have no crotch left.

  31. Re:You know what else spins that fast? by darthdavid · · Score: 1

    Ah, but what if his crotch is made of graphene?

  32. Science writing at its finest by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1
    Sure, as many have pointed out, the 30K RPM using an optical trap might be a bit ambiguous, but this

    Kane then set them spinning using a light beam that is circularly polarised, meaning it passes its momentum to objects in its path.

    was really helpful - I'd always wondered what "circular polarization" meant.

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    1. Re:Science writing at its finest by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      That's completely wrong, actually. Light always applies some momentum to what it hits, the difference with circular polarised light is that it imparts a spin.

      Linear polarised light is the sine-wave shape you've probably seen before, circular polarised light is essentially a spiral around the direction of travel. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_polarization

      It's used in 3D cinema glasses because there are two kinds of circular polarized light (referred to as left and right handed), which spiral opposite ways and won't go through each other's filter, and because you can rotate the filter (say, by tilting your head) without affecting the image. On the other hand shutter glasses require power (and need a high framerate projector and some kind of synchronisation) and linear polarised lenses only work if you keep your head very level.

    2. Re:Science writing at its finest by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the title "Science writing at its finest" was one of them "clue" thingies...

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    3. Re:Science writing at its finest by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Oh, this internet sarcasm thing. Sorry, I just thought you were stupid.

    4. Re:Science writing at its finest by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      No worries, most days I am stupid; but finding non sequiturs in New Scientist articles is like shooting fish in a barrel. If you want to have fun with stupid, though, check out the "citation needed" on the section "The axes of the ellipse have lengths (square root of 1 plus/minus sin (2 theta)...)" of the Elliptical polarization article. Seems like every time I go to Wikipedia I find some forehead-slap inducing visit from some idiot sprinkling "citation needed"s around like it was pixie dust.

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  33. Re:You know what else spins that fast? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    wouldn't work unless .... it was an oscillating electric field TRAP!

  34. Wow. Big whoop-de-doo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    three carbon atoms across, 60 million rpm.. that's what, an outside rotation velocity of about 37.5 miles per hour.

    most (observed) rotations per minute, sure.. but not 'fastest spinning'

  35. Previous Record Set by Toothbrush by hsoftdev17 · · Score: 1

    "spun at up to 30,000 rpm" ?? Am I missing something here? 30,000 rpm is achievable with a common R/C car motor or an aggressive electric toothbrush... I assume that's a typo.

    1. Re:Previous Record Set by Toothbrush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for pointing that out - only 53 of the (currently) posted 80 comments mention their author's inability to parse simple English.

  36. now that this is possible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "what does it mean?!?"

  37. Macroscopic RPM Record by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Informative

    "As a result, the flakes started spinning at 60 million rotations per minute, faster than any other macroscopic object."

    "Previously, micrometre-sized crystals have been spun at up to 30,000 rpm"

    Following through to the source of that quote:

    "Their short axis follows the direction of the linear polarization of the beam. In circular or elliptic polarization, the crystals are spontaneously put in rotation with a high speed of up to 500 turns per second. It is the first time, to the best of our knowledge, that such a result is reported for particles of the size of our crystals."

    So, if the 30,000 RPM crystal is interesting because it was a crystal, or because it was small, fine. But if they're saying that 30,000 RPM was interesting for large objects, ummm, turbocharger turbines spin at up to 150,000 RPM.

    That said; 60 million RPM is very impressive.

  38. Re:You know what else spins that fast? by darthdavid · · Score: 3, Funny

    So basically, what you're saying is that your 'mom' is a trap?

  39. Re:You know what else spins that fast? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    no, I don't believe that's the logical conclusion of this thread, but it may be that you are the original AC...

  40. circumference = pi times diameter by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The wiki reference mentions stars 12KM in diameter and "several hundred times a second". You mentioned almost 900 times a section. I'd consider one percent light speed to be highly relativistic. Some of these numbers are as much as ten percent.

  41. Why you ask? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because we can!
    That is and always should be enough reason.

  42. 30,000 RPM? by jeepmeister · · Score: 1

    I have a Dyson vacuum cleaner with a motor that spins 3 times faster than that. WTF?

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  43. I always thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot was read by a lot of smart people. But this article more than any other shows me it's just as retarded here as anywhere else. sigh.

  44. 1 million Avis? by DTemp · · Score: 1

    Sorry I can't find the source... but someone commented humorously that "Hertz has a unit named after them, why doesn't Avis?" Avis was semi-sarcastically named as a unit of angular velocity; 1 Avis is 2*pi radians of rotation per second, or 1 full rotation per second.

    So this is 1 million Avis.

  45. Nice try.. But no donut. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FOX News still has way more spin than this thing.

  46. 30K ain't nothing by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    std commercial ultracentrifuges, used in the life sciences, spin at 80 to 100 K, and the objects they rotate ("rotors" in the argot)are titanium cylinders or frustrated cones that weigh several kilos. Centrifgues that went up to 50K were available in the 1970s, if not earlier; one limit was the strenght of hte "rotor", which were made of aluminum at the time; now they are made of Ti and carbon fiber. As you can imagine, the manufacturers are carefull to stress safety; one thing that distinguishes a Beckman L50, which has a max speed of 50K, and a 90K instrument is the rating for the armor plate that surrounds the spinning object; basically, if a multi Kilo piece of metal rotating at 90K comes loose, the armor has to be able to prevent any projectile formation PS: you know when it happens, cause you get a loud noise https://www.beckmancoulter.com/eCatalog/CatalogItemDetails.do?productId=12210 (http://www.beckmancoulter.com/literature/Bioresearch/BR-9272A.pdf ) http://golgi.harvard.edu/Gaudet/Resources_Files/Beckman/PrepRT.pdf

  47. UMCP by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 1

    Its University of Maryland, College Park

    It is the University of Maryland

    UMBC, UMES, and UMUC may share the 'University of Maryland' name, but are in no way related beyond the fact their state owned.

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  48. UMBC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yoU Made a Bad Choice

  49. Changing Its Mass? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Is it true that relativity predicts that rotating an object increases its mass? Does this graphene apparatus offer a way to test that theory, as the starting mass is small enough to detect small increases as large relative to the starting mass, and the rotation can be high enough frequency to really see the effects of the phenomenon?

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  50. Too much Episode 1 by Cu · · Score: 1

    I'll try spinning. That's a neat trick.

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  51. Re:You know what else spins that fast? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So basically, what you're saying is that your 'mom' is a trap?

    make that claptrap.

  52. WolframAlpha by pgn674 · · Score: 1

    WolframAlpha needs to be updated now. Did a search on 60 million rotations per minute to find out the period (1×10^-6 seconds), and I noticed this bit of info: ~~ 3 × fastest induced angular velocity (steel ball 0.8 mm diameter suspended in vacuum) (~~ 2×10^7 rpm )

    60 million rotations per minute - Wolfram|Alpha

  53. Re:You know what else spins that fast? by porl · · Score: 1

    also, it would have to be microscopic..... oh wait....

  54. Re:Fastest spin? Hardly. by LeadSongDog · · Score: 1
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