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Jaguar's Hybrid Jet-Powered Concept Car

An anonymous reader writes "Jaguar has developed a hybrid car that runs on gas turbines. The range extended vehicle usually uses four electric motors (one on each wheel) plus a lithium-ion battery pack for propulsion, but can achieve a performance boost from a pair of gas turbines mounted in the rear. Cnet UK reports the car can do 0-60 mph in 3.4 sec. (and 50-90 mph in 2.3 sec.) and reach 205 mph while emitting less CO2 than a Toyota Prius."

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  1. Should be reliable by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This thing has a dozen or so moving parts. Granted, the turbines move pretty damn fast but electric motors and generators are extremely reliable. Four indepenent motors and two turbines menas we have redundancy on top of that.

    I'm a little suspicious of the emission claims though. How much of that is from plugin? I can't imagine turbine->electric->battery->motors is an efficient drive train.

    1. Re:Should be reliable by Adrian+Harvey · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm a little suspicious of the emission claims though. How much of that is from plugin? I can't imagine turbine->electric->battery->motors is an efficient drive train.

      Turbo-electric (ie: turbine->electric->motors) are quite efficent, and commonly used in large equipment, like boats and trains (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo-electric)

      The difficulties here will be
      1. how efficent the battery is, and how much the battery is used verses running in direct turbo-electric mode.
      2. How well the turbine has been scaled down. Turbines get harder to make efficent the smaller they are - efficency is quite dependent on things like the ratio of the gap at the edge of the blades to the blade area. Small turbines need a lot more precision manufacturing to make properly efficent. A good single-cycle gas turbine such as this one: http://www.geoilandgas.com/businesses/ge_oilandgas/en/literature/en/downloads/LM6000.pdf can get 42% efficency, but small models often languish at 25% or so. [NB: combined cycle can get you as high as 60% but I will be *very* surprised if they've crammed that into a car... though they did say 2 turbines....]

      All the same, I still want one!

    2. Re:Should be reliable by sadtrev · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Rover gas-turbine car was almost ready for launch (in the mid-'60s). It was cleaner, quieter and potentially cheaper than cars with conventional reciprocating engine designs.
      It did have two major disadvantages - unreliability due to brittleness of the heat exchanger, and
      - the tendency to singe the paint off cars that approached too close to the exhaust.

    3. Re:Should be reliable by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 5, Funny

      the tendency to singe the paint off cars that approached too close to the exhaust.

      A car that automatically enforces the proper following distance? I want one!

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  2. A step in a right direction by elh_inny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    THe 'early adopters' in car's world, the afficcinados, like Jeremy Clarkson will not go for a boring hybrid unless it gives them better thrill than a conventional gas guzzling supercar.
    If this car is really fun to drive, it will be in demand, the markup on luxury is usually quite high, which means there's budget to develop something more mainstream with similar tech...

    1. Re:A step in a right direction by RogueyWon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's funny how developments that reduce the environmental impact of cars often originate from the high-performance end of the spectrum. While I'm no expert, my understanding is that sports such as Formula 1 and Indycar have done massive amounts to improve the fuel efficiency of the cars you see on the roads every day. After all, there's a clear and direct incentive when you have a high performance car out on the track to design something that can carry a smaller (and lighter) fuel tank or get away with fewer refuelling stops. And once you've developed that technology, you might as well make good use of it on a commercial basis.

    2. Re:A step in a right direction by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your post is sort of like saying that no NASA technologies make it into everyday life because we don't have space shuttles in our driveways.

      BTW some cars within a mere mortal's budget that have robotized manual gearboxes with auto rev matching include the Toyota MR-S and Mitsubishi Evo 10, just off the top of my head. Many Audis have it as well (Audi DSG system). The Nissan 370Z also has auto rev matching with a stick-shift manual.

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  3. Really... by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Jaguar has developed a hybrid car that runs on gas turbines."

    How many miles-per-gas-turbine does it get and how many gas turbines are needed to fill the tank?

  4. Re:Very Cool by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also, I wonder what happens if one or more of the electric motors goes bad or stop working for any reason.

    I'm taking a wild guess here, but I'm thinking you probably will need to get it fixed.

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  5. Re:What about noise pollution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You and I sir must have a different opinion of how freaking awesome a jet engine sounds.

  6. Re:Very Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unlike an American V8, which continues to put out awesome amounts of power even after it breaks.

  7. Re:The downside... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also after years of research Jaguar found a way to make a gas turbine leak oil.

  8. Re:Very Cool by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You will most likely have reduced performance, especially if the rest of the car has to spin the defective motor, but it should still run...

    When Jaguar were still producing V12 engines, it was quite common for people to not change the rear pair spark plugs (they are quite hard to reach because of the size of the v12 and the dimensions of the engine bay) so after a while they would be running on only 10 cylinders.

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  9. Re:Very Cool by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its awesome that it can run on diesel, biofuel, natural gas, or LP. I wonder if it can run on a combination, or if you can only have one type of fuel at a time.

    It's a jet turbine - you could mix all 4 and throw in some Tang for good measure, and it'll still run. Of course, you'll get decreased performance and some funky looking exhaust, but it'll run.

  10. Re:Very Cool by Suki+I · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unlike an American V8, which continues to put out awesome amounts of power even after it breaks.

    Or a European V12 that generates massive repair bills, running or not.

  11. The problem with safety systems like that by CFD339 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...tends to be that by definition, they only kick in when something is broken.

    I used to climb a little bit. We'd be up on a thousand feet of exposure with just a thin nylon harness and some carefully tied rope. Now I'm a firefighter and have done some rope rescue classes. We don't even go on a steep hill without a far more complex (and heavy) harness system. It seemed ridiculous to me, but it was explained that if the usual way of doing things had worked then we wouldn't have been called in. Something has gone wrong, and we can't always know what it was.

    The same problem exists, to us, for cars like the Prius. Lots of very high voltage cables running through parts of the car we would usually cut through to get someone out. In theory, there are safety systems that will cut power to those cables after an accident. In practice, what if the accident affected those cut-off systems? There's a manual cut-off -- I'd have to check the reference material we have, but I think it's under the back seat. If I could get to something under the back seat, I wouldn't need to cut the car apart.

    When things are broken, they're ...well....broken. The safety systems may or may not be affected. I think the issue in this case is that broken at 65 miles per hour is one thing, and broken at 205 miles per hour is something else entirely.

    I think if a car that was moving that fast being propelled by four independent motors suddenly found itself being propelled by thrust that was no longer balanced and centered -- I wouldn't want to be down range for quite some distance.

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    1. Re:The problem with safety systems like that by dave420 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because right now cars don't have anything dangerous in them, running for the length of the car... :) I'd hazard a guess that wearing thick rubber gloves and an insulating suit (which fire fighters already do, as they deal with lots of dangerous stuff all the time) would offer pretty decent protection, unless the fire fighter in question is chewing on an exposed cable while simultaneously rubbing his dick on the road...

    2. Re:The problem with safety systems like that by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Funny

      unless the fire fighter in question is chewing on an exposed cable while simultaneously rubbing his dick on the road...

      - for some reason I actually pictured it in my head and now I am having a day-time nightmare! WTF did you do that for?

    3. Re:The problem with safety systems like that by tvsjr · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's frightening that someone modded you insightful.

      Vehicle extrications are death-traps for firefighters. Just to name a few issues:
      Shocks in bumpers, prone to send the bumper flying off the car at knee height
      Rollover bars, prone to release at the wrong time and pummel anything in its path (already killed more than one FF)
      Chemical airbags, which can cause injury or burns
      Stored-gas airbags and their cylinders and tubing - not good to cut into a ~3Kpsi cylinder
      High-voltage cables in hybrids
      Magnesium and springs in steering columns
      Hood and tailgate struts, prone to overheating and exploding
      Fuel tank, fuel lines, etc.
      And more...

      Our bunker gear is insulating... from HEAT, not electricity. I carry a few different types of gloves (structural, extrication, work gloves for hose rolling) - none of them are rubber or insulating from electricity either. There is nothing in a firefighter's typical equipment that will provide any significant protection from electricity. Cutting a high-voltage cable in a hybrid will result in significant injury at best... death at worst.

  12. Re:Very Cool by Vectormatic · · Score: 3, Funny

    now where is the +1 awesome mod when i need it?

    i can just imagine, blitzing across the german autobahn at 120mph in your Britisch Racing Green JJAAAGGGGG with psychedelic orange/green/yellow/pink smoke billowing out the back :P

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  13. Re:Why not a jet pack? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm not too sure what your fantasy budget limit is; but mine kind of covers a house and a jet pack.

    So "a six-pack and a pack of smokes" is thinking too small?

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  14. Re:What about noise pollution? by name_already_taken · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And you must never have worked on a flightline or have any idea how loud a B-52 or a C-5A is.

    I'm hoping the Jaguar car uses slightly smaller engines than those gargantuan military aircraft.

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  15. Rather than complex rules.. by dmgxmichael · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've always thought that NASCAR in particular could reduce the thickness of their rulebook considerably by putting the teams on a fuel allowance for the race. If the cars start going too fast to be safe, pull back the fuel they are allowed to get.