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Japan Begins Recycling Rare Earth Metals From Electronics

Black Gold Alchemist writes "Dowa, a Japanese mining company in Kosaka, has begun the recycling of rare earth metals from used cellphones and computers. This is in response to a recent, temporary trade embargo from China, which is the leading supplier of rare earth metals needed for production of products including hybrid cars, wind turbines, and LCD screens. Because of the shortage of rare earth metals, Japanese trade minister Akihiro Ohata is asking the government to include a rare earth strategy in its supplementary budget for this year."

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  1. about time too... by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    should have been doing this ages ago, but yet again, no pressure to do so while supplies were cheap

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    1. Re:about time too... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The future is going to be like Against a Dark Background, we'll be going through the piles of debris looking for exotic metals.

      That or we go to the asteroids and mine them.

    2. Re:about time too... by mattack2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's a novel. I had no idea what it was (thought maybe movie, book, video game).
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_a_dark_background

  2. Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by arivanov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, this goes to show how much of electronics recycling is a gimmick and publicity stunt.

    Separating rare earths out of electronics waste is actually not that difficult: hit it with acid; do some basic purification first to get rid of Fe, Cu and a few other "usual suspects"; after that ion exchange chromatography does the deed. Even without initial mechanical separation there should be enough of them in the acid effluent. The fact that it was not done shows how much are we really "recycling" there.

    In fact, we should say thank you to China on this one. This may finally make EU, USA and Japan governments put some money behind the electronic waste disposal laws.

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    1. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by mean+pun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, this goes to show how much of electronics recycling is a gimmick and publicity stunt.

      Actually, it shows that current electronics recycling is not a gimmick, at least in Japan. The entire infrastructure apparently is already in place, is functioning, and is economical enough to survive. There is more to recycling than just rare metals.

    2. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by Asic+Eng · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Mainly politics I think. They want to show a response to the Chinese embargo threat. China is punching way above it's political weight, mainly on the assumption that one day they'll actually reach that weight and is becoming increasingly aggressive with (very dubious) territorial claims against many of it's neighbors. They either need to adapt a more cooperative stance, or Japan is better served by being less dependent on China.

    3. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by zrbyte · · Score: 5, Informative

      Separating rare earths out of electronics waste is actually not that difficult: hit it with acid; do some basic purification first to get rid of Fe, Cu and a few other "usual suspects"; after that ion exchange chromatography does the deed.

      Separating them from other stuff is easy, usually because these elements are very reactive. Separating them from each other is another, much harder task. Actually, using ion exchange chromatography I doubt you can get tonnes of chemically pure metal. You need a lot of fancy chemistry. Actually this is the most polluting part of the industrial process and one of the contributing factors to closing US and European refining plants.

    4. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uh... if China closed its ports tomorrow, who would blink first: them, or the rest of the world?

      Up to now, China has been a most benign economic superpower, certainly far less abusive than Russia, the EU or the USA who engage in round-robin economic blackmail pretty much constantly.

      If China ever start punching at their actual weight - for example, asking what exactly they can buy with the trillions of foreign currency that they're sitting on - then we'll all be they beeyatches.

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    5. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by samkass · · Score: 5, Interesting

      if China closed its ports tomorrow, who would blink first: them, or the rest of the world?

      If China tried that, it wouldn't actually happen and would show the lack of power their central government actually wages. It would probably lead to the overthrow of the Chinese government long before it brought down any foreign power.

      Up to now, China has been a most benign economic superpower, certainly far less abusive than Russia, the EU or the USA who engage in round-robin economic blackmail pretty much constantly.

      China's entire currency system is economic blackmail. By all rights it should have appreciated an extra 50%, and the rest of the world is increasingly unwilling to succumb to such blackmail.

      If China ever start punching at their actual weight - for example, asking what exactly they can buy with the trillions of foreign currency that they're sitting on - then we'll all be they beeyatches.

      They can't "buy" anything with it. They have to hold on to it in order to artificially affect the exchange rates of the currencies. Their dependence on US debt purchases for this means WE have THEM over a barrel. Relatively minor policy changes on our part could have sweeping effects on the valuation of their entire economic system. Of course, they have nowhere else to dump the money so they continue to rely on US debt purchases despite its weakness. Imagine if 90% of your 401K was also kept in your company's stock... think Enron's employees... that's what China is potentially setting itself up for by buying so much debt from their biggest trading partner and the largest economy in the world.

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    6. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most "recycling" in the U.S. (probably most of the western world) consists of loading electronics into shipping containers and sending them to some third world shithole where the locals strip them in toxic working/living conditions. Interesting investigative report not long ago from 60 Minutes on the subject (and it's a chance to see the rare bit of actual investigative journalism, before it goes completely extinct).

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    7. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by petermgreen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the only competitive advantage is the ability to refine the ore economically with low environmental impact.
      Or the ability to refine it economically without giving a fuck about the environmental impact.

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    8. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It wouldn't have those billions if it hadn't be manipulating it's currency for over a decade ... you are confusing biding their time with being benign. They can not just jank US and EU consumption and go completely domestic ... everything would instantly go to shit. They are not self sufficient in food or raw materials either.

      They will just wait for the US and the EU to slowly choke their consumption through austerity while they build up their internal consumption and start profiting from both all the factories we shipped there and all the billions in reserves they hold. I think it will take around 20 years for them to stop running a trade deficit and build down their US/EU currency/securities holdings.

      US/EU will go to shit, except for our super rich, and China will go to riches ... but not at the drop of a hat.

    9. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by wrook · · Score: 4, Interesting

      it shows that current electronics recycling is not a gimmick, at least in Japan.

      Not terribly sure about electronics, but with everything else you'd probably be amazed. I have 7 different garbage categories in my town. I have to put my name and location on my garbage bags. If I make a mistake in sorting the garbage, they send it back to me (it has happened more than once...). And it's not just gross sorting. With pet bottles I have to take the caps off (different category) and the labels off (different category). My yogurt containers are made from recyclable plastic covered with cardboard. I have to separate the cardboard from the plastic and put it in different containers. Etc, etc, etc...

      Electronics is easy. You take it to the electronics shop and they take care of it for you. I'm not sure exactly what they do, but I'm assuming it's fairly rigorous. Japan just doesn't have any landfill space...

    10. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by TheKidWho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All three of these are easy to do and will not affect them in any way

      What world do you live in? Those 3 scenarios are tantamount to declarations of war...

    11. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it shows that current electronics recycling is not a gimmick, at least in Japan.

      Not terribly sure about electronics, but with everything else you'd probably be amazed. I have 7 different garbage categories in my town. I have to put my name and location on my garbage bags. If I make a mistake in sorting the garbage, they send it back to me (it has happened more than once...). And it's not just gross sorting. With pet bottles I have to take the caps off (different category) and the labels off (different category). My yogurt containers are made from recyclable plastic covered with cardboard. I have to separate the cardboard from the plastic and put it in different containers. Etc, etc, etc...

      Electronics is easy. You take it to the electronics shop and they take care of it for you. I'm not sure exactly what they do, but I'm assuming it's fairly rigorous. Japan just doesn't have any landfill space...

      Where in Japan are you? Just curious.

      But other than that, you are on point. I was in Yokohama during new years eve, and it is amazing the discipline involved in the proper recycling of garbage (discipline displayed by both the collectors and the general population.) I believe it is not only out of modern necessity, but that Japan has historically been a clean country, much more than any other country as testified by Eastern and Western travelers back in the day.

    12. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by SilverEyes · · Score: 2, Informative

      Electronics is easy. You take it to the electronics shop and they take care of it for you. I'm not sure exactly what they do, but I'm assuming it's fairly rigorous. Japan just doesn't have any landfill space...

      Often, it is sent to China http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/10/video-chinas-toxic-wastelands-of-consumer-electronics-revealed/ . It is supposed to be illegal now, and presumably regulations are being enforced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel_Convention

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    13. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by jimmydigital · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Imagine if 90% of your 401K was also kept in your company's stock... think Enron's employees... that's what China is potentially setting itself up for by buying so much debt from their biggest trading partner and the largest economy in the world.

      Put another way... If you can't pay the bank back on a 200k mortgage you have a problem. If you can't pay the bank back on a trillion dollar loan the bank has a problem. In this case.. China is the bank.

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    14. Re:Goes to show how much of recycling is a gimmick by siddesu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I enjoy the occasional US bashing, this is completely wrong.

      If you just look at the structure of China's manufacturing, you'll see why. Their value added is still almost 100% coming from cheap labor. For every $100 of exports, China imports about $95, and adds about $5. Almost anything high-tech is still not manufactured there, just assembled. As for the "IP" ... they hold the schematics, true, but without the US, Japanese and Korean chips to fit in those PCB boards, what good does it do to them?

      This is why they try to keep their currency cheap so desperately - with low margins, dependent on cheap labor, pushing wages up even a tad too much can erode their competitiveness totally and send them into a very serious recession.

      China also relies heavily on trade for energy and raw materials, and to foreign capital -- that means not some abstract money symbols, but tools and equipment produced elsewhere. They are far from self-sufficient, unless it is the 60s and 70s kind of self-sufficiency.

      Also, when people talk about China's "owning" of US, or "dumping" US assets, they seem to forget the central bank of China still carries the huge negatives of the 1998 crisis, and who knows how much in bad assets from the 07-08 financial assplosion. All financed with government money that is now more or less worthless in real terms, government money that China will need 20 years down the road to care for its aging population. They can't afford to devalue what they are holding anymore than US can do so.

      If it would close its borders, virtually all of China's modern manufacturing will stop working overnight, and the roughly 300 million people who have made the spectacular growth we have seen in the past three decades will be out of work.

      If it would try to devalue US assets, it will condemn to hunger most of its "graying" population 20 years down the road.

      In short, it won't work.

      Trade isn't a weapon, it is means for people to get more value out of shit than they'd have if they just hoarded it. The sooner people grasp the point, the better things will be. It ain't rocket science.

  3. Not exactly a first by spectrokid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The technology has been around for years. I guess what is new is that the suits no longer see it as a "green" thing but as a necessary supply line.

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  4. other options are also being considered by siddesu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    like, for example, importing the stuff from mongolia. this may turn out to be the faster and cheaper way out.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704380504575529383600995748.html

    The most interesting part of this mini-debacle is how did the idea that there would be a shortage of rare earth elements came about at all, and why did the Chinese believe it, the idea being utter bullshit.

    While it is true that China manages to produce these cheaply at the moment, rare earth elements are available basically all over the place in similar proportions.

    Using them as a policy-making tool has done no harm to Japan, and potentially a lot of harm to the credibility of China as an economic player, especially to its counterparties in Asia, but also anyone who may have a reason to expect potential future clash of interests.

    While the Japanese acted out during the crisis as scared pussies, the Chinese appear to have played the role of the dumber party.

    Seeing great Asian powers like Japan and China just learning to dab at foreign relations after 6 decades of American dominance is very interesting.

    1. Re:other options are also being considered by siddesu · · Score: 5, Informative

      Are you going say US restrictions on crypto/hi-tech export is doing "a lot of harm to the credibility of the US as an economic player"?

      It most certainly did. Did you miss the few years in the 90s when it spurred a large body of crypto research and work outside of the US by all parties, who were affected by the ban?

      Are you going to say Russia's restricting food export due to projected shortage, or Thailand's restriction of rice export due to poor harvest is doing "a lot of harm to the credibility of these 2 countries as an economic player

      Having a reason for the restriction (shortage due to a crop failure) is something quite different from using trade limits as a policy tool. I am not sure why you can't see the difference.

      For example, the attempts of Putin to use gas exports as a policy tool in Europe has certainly brought more than a few frowns from the EU. With Ukraine, it exploded into a full-blown trade war.

      is just a simple message to Japan saying "we are not going to let you slap us in our face and then expect business to go on smoothly".

      It is my understanding that the arrested captain tried to ram a Japanese vessel. This is certainly a crime in Japan, and probably one in China. In this case, it seems China is applying laws more selectively than Japan.

    2. Re:other options are also being considered by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While it is true that China manages to produce these cheaply at the moment, rare earth elements are available basically all over the place in similar proportions.

      Correction, China produces zinc cheaply at the moment. Mostly due to complete lack of environmental regulation.

      The situation with indium is weird. If you scooped up a random perfectly mixed shovel full of global average earth crust, its 3x as high concentration as silver, which sounds GREAT. However, unlike silver, it never really accumulates anywhere. The current best source is some of the residue of zinc ore production, where its a spectacular 50 ppm, about 200x more concentrated than average crust composition. Silver sometimes is dug out of the ground in nuggets of more or less pure silver, which is a factor of a million more concentrated than average, plus or minus an order of magnitude. Thats why we have mines for silver, but no mines for indium.

      So indium is freaking everywhere, all over, at a very low level. Last I heard, it wanders around a tenth of gold price. You could get about ten oz of indium per thousand tons of "average crust"... At roughly current indium prices thats about a thousand bucks revenue for processing about a thousand tons of dirt. A buck a ton isn't going to do it, even with slave labor in China. But what if the price went up to, say, platinum prices? Thats $20K revenue for a thousand tons of dirt, or $20 per ton. I'm thinking $20/ton is economically viable, maybe even in the USA...

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    3. Re:other options are also being considered by wrook · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is my understanding that the arrested captain tried to ram a Japanese vessel. This is certainly a crime in Japan, and probably one in China. In this case, it seems China is applying laws more selectively than Japan.

      One thing to note is that there is a video of the event but it hasn't been seen by anyone other than the investigating parties. The Diet has asked to see it and there is a debate over whether or not to let the government see the video. Apparently there is some worries that making the video public (even to just the government) could incite China further. However, part of me wonders if that's the whole story. After all this fuss, I'd certainly like to see it...

  5. Non-cycle? by Smallpond · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What this suggests is that there should be a middle ground between dumping stuff in a landfill and recycling it. We should be segregating material that we don't currently recycle or doesn't make economic sense to recycle, but might become scarce in the future. That will make it easier to recycle when we need it.

    1. Re:Non-cycle? by martas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      while this is a good idea (ok, a very good idea), the difficulty is implementing it. it's already difficult enough to separate the 5 or 6 kinds of materials that are being recycled today from trash, let alone extending that to a large number or other, potentially recyclable materials (which is, really, almost every kind of trash other than food...). pulling this off would require serious commitment from governments, organizations, and individuals, and that seems unlikely, considering that simply separating plastic bottles and cans from trash already seems to be an incredibly difficult task for many people...

    2. Re:Non-cycle? by txoof · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In Norway we have plastic, glass, metal, electronic, paper and food scrap recycling and it's pretty popular. I think most everyone just does it because it's the 'right thing' to do. It doesn't hurt that there's curbside for most of it.

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    3. Re:Non-cycle? by swb · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's really not that difficult. A waste-energy plant I have as a client already separates out glass, copper, brass, zinc, ferrous metal, and aluminum, and this is an old plant, built in the late 1980s that was really only designed to produce power plant fuel. The material separation is more about protecting the furnaces at the generating plant with a refined fuel product than recycling. I think most of the metal separation is targeted at cash value.

    4. Re:Non-cycle? by txoof · · Score: 2, Informative

      Based on the amount we pay for trash pickup, the 40% tax rate, Norwegian's compulsive honesty I'm pretty sure it's being dealt with appropriately. Every large kommune also has a bio-gas plant where a good deal of the gas-able materials go. As for the E-Waste, I don't rightly know. In the USA, a good deal of the E-Waste is just dumped in third world countries.

      But again, based on the typical Norwegian compulsive and inescapable honesty, they probably recycle the computer bits using a method that is five times more expensive and six times cleaner than the international "standard".

      The most environmentally unfriendly thing Norwegians do is hunt whales.

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  6. Necessity... by zrbyte · · Score: 5, Insightful
    THE most powerful driver of change.

    Sadly this is the way we overcome our big problems. Not by foresight, predictions and educated action. The shit has to start hitting the fan to get people moving in the right direction. I mean this whole rare earth situation has been foreseen. It was obvious that China was building a monopoly years ago. The same thing happens with the coming helium shortage, energy problems, global warming, you name it. It really has to get nasty for people to do something about these things.

  7. Not Sure, Seems to Be More Territorial Dispute by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In fact, we should say thank you to China on this one.

    Recent news reports have Japan accusing China of this being over a territorial dispute. The traders are saying that things have resumed but that this is just an excuse for China to harass traders and outbound exports with "preshipment" checks. China denies this has anything to do with the dispute but the timing is more than a bit suspect and why is this only directed at Japan?

    I don't know how much of an net positive environmental impact recycling rare earths from circuitry provides (is your acid economically and environmentally friendly? what are the byproducts? are they less damaging than the circuitry to the environment?) but I don't think it's wise to thank countries for exacerbating a territorial dispute. The world has enough of those now, we don't need another escalation or spat between countries.

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    1. Re:Not Sure, Seems to Be More Territorial Dispute by molnarcs · · Score: 4, Informative

      In fact, we should say thank you to China on this one.

      Recent news reports have Japan accusing China of this being over a territorial dispute. The traders are saying that things have resumed but that this is just an excuse for China to harass traders and outbound exports with "preshipment" checks. China denies this has anything to do with the dispute but the timing is more than a bit suspect and why is this only directed at Japan?

      China is in territorial dispute with every SE-Asian country that has a shoreline. They claim sovereignty over every island down to the Philippines. For example, they have claims over Paracel islands which in theory, belong to Vietnam. Recently they started to harass fishing boats, hold them at ransom, very similar to what Somalian pirates do. Vietnam has historical documents to prove their claim - irony is, that actually some of the documents the Chinese produced to prove their point turned out to be validate the Vietnamese claims (they mention these islands as "foreign lands" in their records). Also, they threatened foreign companies (oil exploration) that had contracts with Vietnamese oil companies to back out. Finally - this started this year - they began to organize "tours" to these islands, showing the beauty of these "most remote Chinese lands." In reality, there's nothing to see there actually. Except Vietnamese fishermen who lived there for generations. Well, not anymore, actually, but you get the point ... just trying to illustrate how territorial the Chinese are... and how arrogant.

    2. Re:Not Sure, Seems to Be More Territorial Dispute by hcdejong · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know how much of an net positive environmental impact recycling rare earths from circuitry provides

      As I recall, separating ore into rare earths isn't a clean process either, so it may still come out ahead.

  8. The problem by sean.peters · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While this sounds like a good idea, the problem is that segregating and storing all this stuff would be tremendously expensive (the cost of segregating recyclable materials is one of the main reasons why recycling programs have had somewhat of a checkered history). And there's no guarantee that it would ever pay off. So it would be tough to get anyone to invest in something like this.

  9. Re:new at foreign relations??? by siddesu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Both countries have had their governments and government bureaucracies ripped apart and rebuilt basically from scratch post-WWII.

    In China, the communists removed KMT, sent Chiang to Taiwan and started from zero. Three times, actually, if you count the Cultural revolution, and the subsequent removal of the Maoist wing by Deng.

    Some countries refused to acknowledge the existence of PRC until the 70s, and China started to really perceive itself and try to act as a superpower very recently.

    In post-war Japan, the US occupational authority rewrote the constitution, made quite a few changes in the way government was run, engaged in a serious redistribution of wealth via the land reform, etc. US retained full control of the country until 1952, and partial control until 1972.

    Some Japanese even say the country still has no independent foreign policy, and indeed it almost seems so at times.

    Just last year a party that is quite new to being a government party was elected with a landslide and fresh ideas as to how bureaucracy and foreign relations should work.

    It already had one major foreign policy crisis (the clash of sorts with US over an Okinawa base), which was an important reason why the PM stepped down this summer.

    Besides, Chinese-Japanese relations weren't all that rich in the past. Japan was a closed society (because of fear from China) until the mid-1800s, and most of the relations they've had with China since then would qualify as "diplomacy" only if you use the von Clausewitz definition thereof.

  10. Good luck by atisss · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's see how they will do with rare Mars metals :)

  11. reuse better than "recycling" by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As with everything else, reuse is most always better than recycling.

    Royalty-free standards should be created for battery shapes and connectors, and a garbage tax should be placed on non-standard batteries.

    Interchangeable parts were key to the industrial revolution. Sometimes we forget.