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DMCA Takedown Notice Leveled Against Ohio Congressional Race Ad

Ponca City, We Love You writes "EFF reports that after Ohio Congressman John Kasich put out a commercial featuring a man dressed as a steelworker discussing Governor Ted Strickland's record, Strickland's campaign folks apparently realized that the 'steelworker' was really a paid actor, and put together their own video, mixing in clips of some of the actor's other work to make fun of Kasich. Now the DMCA has been used to send a takedown demand to YouTube that it remove Stricrkland's video for at least 10 days because it uses short clips from the actor's movies." The video has since been restored, some of the reasons for which are listed below. "First, the political video's use is transformative because it provides evidence that the supposed steelworker was actually a paid actor and as the Supreme Court explains, transformative works 'lie at the heart of the fair use doctrine's guarantee of breathing space within the confines of copyright.' Second, the political ad only uses a few seconds of the original film, so a fair use is particularly justifiable when it uses the minimum necessary to make its point. 'What's troubling, yet again, is that this form of political speech has been removed from YouTube in the heat of an election battle,' writes Mike Masnick on Techdirt. 'Even if the takedown was not political, it's clearly a case of copyright law being used to stifle political speech.'"

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  1. reasons for which are listed below..... by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really only need one reason: First Amendment of the US Constitution.

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    1. Re:reasons for which are listed below..... by Mitchell314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      . . . and the great tragedy is the politicians that ignore it are still in the game.

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    2. Re:reasons for which are listed below..... by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

      And the Supreme Court held in Eldred v. Ashcroft (upholding successive extensions of a copyright term) that fair use is a key limitation keeping copyright from running afoul of the First Amendment.

  2. No consequences by wonkavader · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...Arginate should take a closer look at Section 512(f) of the DMCA — which provide penalties for misrepresenting that an online video is infringing — before sending any more notices."

    Yeah, yeah, right. But has anyone ever heard of ANYONE actually paying any kind of penalty for misrepresenting a video (or anything else) to get a DMCA takedown? Has anyone ever suffered any real consequences for this, even though it amounts to perjury?

    Please, I want someone to tell me there have been consequences, and that people have been fined or jailed for it. But I suspect that the has never been a single such case where there any real consequences.

    I know we care, but the legal system doesn't and only an idiot could fail to notice. PLEASE, PLEASE tell me I'm wrong.

    1. Re:No consequences by FoolishOwl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Congressional candidates tend to have strong connections to wealth and political power, and are often lawyers. The DMCA may have pissed off the wrong people, this time.

    2. Re:No consequences by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, yeah, right. But has anyone ever heard of ANYONE actually paying any kind of penalty for misrepresenting a video (or anything else) to get a DMCA takedown? Has anyone ever suffered any real consequences for this...

      You've hit the nail directly on the head.

      There is no teeth in 512(f). It aught to be a mandatory quarter million dollar penalty for filing a take down notice that was proven false or unjustified, or over-ruled by a court.

      Fair use of short clips is protected. But without any consequence of ignoring this fact, the practice of take-down first and apologize later, or never, will continue.

      But I'm glad to see this happening to politicians. Now maybe they will listen when citizens complain about this practice.

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    3. Re:No consequences by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

      But has anyone ever heard of ANYONE actually paying any kind of penalty for misrepresenting a video (or anything else) to get a DMCA takedown? Has anyone ever suffered any real consequences for this, even though it amounts to perjury?

      In Lenz v. Universal , a U.S. district court ruled that failure to consider applicable defenses such as fair use before filing an OCILLA notification is misrepresentation.

    4. Re:No consequences by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fines are not good enough, they only make it so the rich can break the law with impunity. Jail time or community service for the client and the lawyer is the only fair solution. They might have more money than most, but we each only get so much time.

    5. Re:No consequences by Entropius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't like the quarter-million penalty. To a lot of corps this is chump change.

      Now, sometimes someone makes a bona fide claim only to have that claim denied, and that act shouldn't be punished. But malicious abuses of the system like this are inexcusable.

      I think the penalty for blatant abuse of the law, at least for corporations, should be a legal death penalty: the inability to bring actions, suit, complaints, or any other form of legal action against anyone else. No more patent claims, no more DMCA notices, no lawsuits against anyone for any reason. If you are going to abuse the law, then you don't deserve its protection.

    6. Re:No consequences by TheEyes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fines are not good enough, they only make it so the rich can break the law with impunity. Jail time or community service for the client and the lawyer is the only fair solution. They might have more money than most, but we each only get so much time.

      Only problem of that is that then all possibly controversial takedown notices will then be done by corporations. Who are persons, but have additional rights, like the ability to spend as much money as they like on political campaigns (unlike humans, who have sharp limits), cannot be imprisoned, cannot be drafted, and pay lower taxes.

    7. Re:No consequences by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I understand it, that is to be decided later. Federal civil courts move slowly.

    8. Re:No consequences by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 2, Interesting
    9. Re:No consequences by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Still not good enough. To some a $300 ticket might mean no food or at least going without other things they really need. This man will not suffer like that even with this ticket.

      Taking an 8 hour day from his life would be just as fair as taking it from any other man.

    10. Re:No consequences by daniorerio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      why with the percentages, taking everything above minimum wage...

    11. Re:No consequences by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      More appropriate is if you are the copyright holder and issue an knowingly "bad" takedown, then you should lose the copyright on the item in question. If they had to risk the copyright itself every time they defended it, they'd make sure they were right, not just issue a takedown on everything with a similar name (or obvious fair use)

    12. Re:No consequences by lpq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you send a corporate entity to jail?

  3. Fair use? by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I show a short clip from a film just to prove that someone is an actor, how could this possibly NOT be fair use?

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    1. Re:Fair use? by wonkavader · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why are you asking? You know it's fair use, we know it's fair use, and the lawyers who demanded the takedown know it's fair use.

      This isn't about copyright law. This is about the clever use of perjury.

    2. Re:Fair use? by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But the baffling thing here is that this isn't some big company demanding a political ad be removed; it's a tiny film studio. And the film in question is free on the internet.

      It just seems like there has to be a missing piece to this story.

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    3. Re:Fair use? by atfrase · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But the baffling thing here is that this isn't some big company demanding a political ad be removed; it's a tiny film studio. And the film in question is free on the internet.

      It just seems like there has to be a missing piece to this story.

      Is it really that baffling? Let me take a stab at that missing piece:

      Campaign manager: Hey tiny film studio, how do you feel about perjuring yourself to shut down this ad that's making us look bad? We'll owe ya one, and we have this funny feeling the perjury won't be prosecuted anyway.
      Tinyfilmstudio: A corrupt congressman in my debt? Yes please; consider it done.
      Campaign manager: I knew we'd see eye-to-eye on this one.

  4. Fair use must be considered by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2, Informative

    And the Strickland campaign might want to point out this ruling in Lenz v. Universal Music where the judge said that copyright holders must consider whether the use of the material constitutes fair use under copyright law before filing their takedown request.

  5. R & D please? by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can we get an "R" and "D" next to each candidates name? That way I'll know if I should be up in arms at this vile abuse of the DMCA or giddy with excitement that it was wielded this way. ;-)

    1. Re:R & D please? by Asic+Eng · · Score: 4, Informative

      John Kasich is the Republican nominee, running against Democratic incumbent Gov. Ted Strickland.

    2. Re:R & D please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Didn't need the tags. Could already tell party affiliation because of the nature of the attack ad.

      A fake person selling fake policy to the down home American everyman.

      It's a microcosm for the entire republican ideology.

    3. Re:R & D please? by clarkkent09 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A fake steelworker is nothing compared to a fake candidate from a fake party: http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20101007/NEWS01/101007081/Democrats-Adler-campaign-backed-Tea-Party-candidate There are other similar attempts except nobody from Reid's team is spilling the beans yet.

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    4. Re:R & D please? by compro01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure, here you go.

      Strickland - RD
      Kasich - RD

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    5. Re:R & D please? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Funny

      I actually like voting a universal obstructionist into office, especially at the local level.

      No, you probably don't.

      "We have a bill to fix the contacting process for fixing potholes, which used to be automatically awarded to the mayor's brother's company. This bill will greatly reduce our costs and improve the quality of our roads." "No! I'm a universal obstructionist!"

      "We have a bill to remove an obsolete ban on interracial marriage from the books. It will finally bring out jurisdiction in line with the 20th century, and end a boycott that's been hampering our tourist industry." "No! I'm a universal obstructionist!"

      "We have a bill to decriminalize all consensual crimes." "No! I'm a universal obstructionist!"

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  6. Censorship by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet another attempt to use the DMCA as a way to censor, which will end up back firing due to the Streisand effect.

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    1. Re:Censorship by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yet another attempt to use the DMCA as a way to censor, which will end up back firing due to the Streisand effect.

      In this case, I wouldn't be so sure that it will backfire. Most of Kasich's supporters (supporters of a liar who supported NAFTA and got rich on Wall Street, then denied it) are going to go to the polls and vote for him because of the (R) next to his name, regardless of what dirty tricks and lies he uses to try to unseat the at-risk Democrat in charge in Columbus. People like Tom Ganley (R), also in Ohio (a pretty slimy prominent car salesman), and Alan Grayson (D) in Florida (the guy who calls his opponent "Taliban" Dan, edits video to blatantly twist words, and got very testy with Anderson Cooper when called on it) will still get plenty of votes because of the (R) and (D) on the ballots.

      Most people haven't heard of the DMCA to begin with, or have no idea what it does or is supposed to protect. This is interesting to a few of us, but will certainly get lost in mainstream reporting and be a non-factor. Sad, because it is such an obvious misuse of a law, and a sign of how f'd up our political system has become. The only "undecided voter" in a mid-term election like this is is the one who hasn't yet decided whether to bother voting or not.

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  7. Link to the video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It would be nice to have it in the summary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R48YAEcKZeU

  8. Re:It's about time this crap hit's a Congressman! by TimHunter · · Score: 3, Informative
  9. Must be nice being a senator... by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One quick phone call and your web site is back up again. I bet if it was joe sixpack it'd still be down.

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    1. Re:Must be nice being a senator... by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unfortunately, I couldn't find a real Joe Sixpack to comment on the issue, so I payed this unemployed liberal arts major to pretend to be one instead...

  10. Re:It's about time this crap hit's a Congressman! by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Abuse of apostrophe's make's Baby Jesu's Cry.

  11. Re:Countersuit possible in theory. by Entropius · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, that should be pretty simple.

    "Your Honor, Defendant's misrepresentation caused me to lose an election for the US Senate. This has cost me a Senate seat; as damages I would like Defendant to sign over to me one of its paid-for senators."

  12. It's not a congressional race! by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 5, Informative

    As an Ohioan, I know Ted Strickland-D is the Governor of this state and John Kasich-R is running against him for Governor.

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  13. Oh, it gets even BETTER! by Qubit · · Score: 3, Informative

    So apparently a user called "KC Allen" claims on the Vimeo page for the parody-of-the-ad that

    The Ohio filmmaking community is outraged by a web ad published to YouTube, sponsored by the Ohio Democratic Party. The ad is an attack in response to a recent commercial from the Kasich camp, in which a local actor portrayed a man out of work. The ODP ad features clips from films in which the actor has appeared, in violation of copyright.

    Setting aside the incredible hubris associated with speaking for the entire filmmaking community in a state (heck, at least he could have tried to claim something about speaking for a particular group of filmmakers in Ohio, were he the spokesman or president of the body), I am quite appalled at the shoot-from-the-hip nature of his alleged copyright infringement claim.

    KC Allen continues:

    One film, from Arginate Studios was produced in 2010 as part of an international film contest based in Washington DC, the 48 Hour Film Project, while the other was produced by Whiskey Tent films. No permission to use the clips was asked for or granted by the filmmakers or other responsible, legally permitted parties.

    I hope when he says "responsible" he mean "people responsible for granting rights," not "people who act responsibly." I mean, the latter case is kind of a judgment call, no? :-)

    And I fully appreciate his (likely) factual claim that no permission was asked for or granted. Of course (as others have pointed out), the authors of the parody work might have a strong fair-use defense.

    The filmmakers of the state of Ohio demand an immediate public apology for this lack of respect and egregious violation of their hard work and professionalism.

    Here we go again, speaking for a group of people without any evidence that you have the authority or position.

    What, do you want me to claim that the Computer Programmers of the Whole Internet demand an immediate public apology from the filmmakers of the State (capitalizing the proper noun) of Ohio?

    Then you have the witty comeback from "Modern Esquire":

    You're right because no independent film maker has ever splice in footage from other films, tv shows, music, etc. It's called Fair Use. Which is part of the copyright law. There's absolutely no legal basis for your complaints. None.

    Well, I wouldn't say "none," because I'm not a copyright lawyer, but yes, it does look like there's a pretty strong defense here.

    Then, someone named "Sam" apparently knows the actors and decides to chime in:

    You are seriously going to argue that actors don't have the right to not appear in political attack ads based of their completely unrelated narrative work?

    I'm not talking about Chip here... if it was only Chip and actually used to illustrate his acting career... you know by including his work with larger companies like 'safe auto' and appearance on 'Lost' instead of editing a string of insults... which according to you add to the debate... I'm talking about Rick and the girls who are clearly recognizable. They have nothing to do with this and now their faces are stuck on an attack ad which nearly the entire central ohio film community finds offensive.

    I've got to give Sam credit for at least saying "nearly the entire central ohio film community" as compared to KC Allen's bit of hyperbole. I'm also quite sympathetic to what Sam sees as a potential defamation against "Chip" and "Rick" and the women who feature in the clips. I can be a bit disconcerting to see your video chopped-up and used in a different fashion than it was originally intended. But on the flip side, I believe all of the clips used are from commercial productions, and there's got to be very little expectation of privacy or prevention of people doing things protected under Fair Use with these commercial clips.

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  14. time: not fair at all by r00t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The effect of jail varies greatly with income.

    Rich: Jail is yucky. It's boring, the food tastes like crap, and you can't play polo. When you get out, you can go back to your normal routine. (you have no job, the butler has kept the house nice, etc.)

    Middle: Jail is a personal disaster of unimaginable horror. You lose your job. You are unable to even respond to your creditors, never mind pay them. You thus lose your car and your home. This likely means you lose a spouse and/or your children; the state will find adoptive parents for your children if your spouse doesn't just take them while moving in with his/her new lover. You will never gain the same sort of employment ever again, because you now have a criminal record. Your finances will never recover.

    Poor: Jail kind of sucks sometimes. You might get a bad roommate, it's hard to keep facebook updated, and you have to do unspeakable things to get any drugs. On the upside you don't need to worry about finding food, shelter, clothing, medical care, and heat. All your needs are taken care of, and nothing much is expected of you. You almost certainly didn't have an intact family to begin with, so no loss there. If you are friendly you can even get special treatment, play games, lift weights, and so on. All in all, it's not such a bad deal.

    1. Re:time: not fair at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This may be one of the most bigoted things I've yet read on /., and it gets a +3 *Insightful*?!

      While I'm not disputing that jail has differing effects (and frequently different meanings) for different classes, I think the line between the classes so far as perception is much more nebulous than stated here, and your portrayal of the "poor" viewpoint betrays what may be the most callous stereotyping I've ever seen.

      Do you really think that people suddenly become shiftless drug addicts with no aspirations or family ties just because of their income? I suppose your hewing to the stereotypical politician portrayal of the 40-60% that comprise the American "middle class" is explained by your (apparent) belief that all that separates most people from a degenerate life of crime is an unexpected large expense or two?

      Wow. Just wow. I know I've read insightful comments from you in the past, but damn, I wish I had a heap of mod points to spend.

  15. Re:Countersuit possible in theory. by ignavus · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, that should be pretty simple.

    "Your Honor, Defendant's misrepresentation caused me to lose an election for the US Senate. This has cost me a Senate seat; as damages I would like Defendant to sign over to me one of its paid-for senators."

    That's what I call "an Aye for an Aye".

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