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Google Secretly Tests Autonomous Cars In Traffic

Hugh Pickens writes "Autonomous cars are years from mass production, but technologists who have long dreamed of them believe that they can transform society as profoundly as the Internet has. Now the NY Times reports that Google has been working in secret on vehicles that can drive themselves, using artificial-intelligence software that can sense anything near the car and mimic the decisions made by a human driver. With someone behind the wheel to take control if something went awry and a technician in the passenger seat to monitor the navigation system, seven test cars have driven 1,000 miles without human intervention and more than 140,000 miles with only occasional human control. One even drove itself down Lombard Street in San Francisco, one of the steepest and curviest streets in the nation. The only accident, engineers said, was when one Google car was rear-ended while stopped at a traffic light." Update: 10/09 22:37 GMT by T : Reader harrymcc points out that the dream of self-driving cars is nothing new: "Both Popular Science and Popular Mechanics have regularly reported on such experiments; I rounded up some examples dating as far back as 1933."

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  1. The Official Blog by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the official blog announcement since I didn't see it in the summary or article.

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    1. Re:The Official Blog by Gerzel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes. And you, TimeCop, must go back and stop it.

  2. I wold love a car that drives itself... by anUnhandledException · · Score: 5, Insightful

    even if initially only on highways.

    The ability to read, or surf the web, or watch a movie/TV show durring my commute would be wonderful. Almost like getting a free hour everyday. 52 * 5 * 1 = 250 free hours a year.

    1. Re:I wold love a car that drives itself... by Fallingcow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And these US cities have no cabs?

      Not everyone can afford to blow $80+ just to get to and from their night out. I practically never go out for that reason, and because I know being a DD sucks and wouldn't impose on someone like that. I go to a bar maybe a couple times a year, but I'd be far more inclined to accompany other friends who go more frequently if the transportation weren't an issue.

      As for MADD, they have a history of pursuing policy that has more to do with neo-Prohibition than keeping people safe. I don't dislike them because they're against drunk driving--hooray for that, in fact--but because they appear to be anti-alcohol. My comment about them trying to find some way to make this technology not a legal option for inebriated transportation was serious; I bet they would.

    2. Re:I wold love a car that drives itself... by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no way current technology can make this work. Consider how many things could be coming at your car from the periphery that the system would not be able to detect. Animals running across the road, snow and mud slides, road alligators being flipped up from the car in front of you, etc.

      Consider how many things could be coming at your car from the periphery that the human eye would not be able to detect. Computer systems can have more sensors with longer range. Computers can track more objects coming from more directions than the human eye can track simultaneously.

      There is no way a computer could accurately detect these things coming from a far distance on an intercept course with you.

      Of course they could. It's just a matter of having the right (expensive) sensors on board with sufficient range.

      There are even types of sensors such as radar that can detect objects a much larger distance, and infrared sensors that can detect objects (such as children) much smaller than the human eye can, or objects such as child pedestrians that are obscured by a parked car.

      The computer can track and predict the object that would not even be visible to your eye, and anticipate the child outside your field of vision about to try and run across the street in front of you.

      The human eye is a pretty good, versatile sensor, with a wide range of things it can pick up, but it has limited range (especially if the driver is nearsighted and only has the minimal 20/40 vision required to get their license), and you only have two of them.

      For example... you can look to the front, to the side, or behind you, but not in both places at the same time.

      This matters, for example, if you are changing lanes.

      You can look behind you and to your side to verify clearance, meanwhile, while you glanced behind you for that second, a car in front of you has slammed on their breaks, or a vehicle turning onto the highway has turned in front of you or changed lanes in front of you within 50 feet, and the time you have to make a decision and react was drastically reduced.

    3. Re:I wold love a car that drives itself... by ATMAvatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have to say that I like the idea of a car driving itself. In theory it should be able to be better than any human. However, software is what I do for a living and it seems there are always circumstances that can not be predicted if software but would be easy for a human to handle.

      The part of me that is a programmer agrees with you. The part of me that is a driver and a road cyclist must concede that the bar has been set ridiculously low for the car AI to drive better than the average human.

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    4. Re:I wold love a car that drives itself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you stay home and get hammered there instead?

      And if I'm not driving, is it any fucking business of yours?

      I like to drink. I like to drive. It's really stupid to combine the two, so I do my driving early (to the beer store!) and get it out of the way, and when I get home, it's then that I fire up the grill and have a drink.

      I oppose drunk driving. I oppose MADD. My two positions are consistent. Are yours?

    5. Re:I wold love a car that drives itself... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So you stay home and get hammered there instead?

      And if I'm not driving, is it any fucking business of yours?

      I like to drink. I like to drive. It's really stupid to combine the two, so I do my driving early (to the beer store!) and get it out of the way, and when I get home, it's then that I fire up the grill and have a drink.

      I oppose drunk driving. I oppose MADD. My two positions are consistent. Are yours?

      I was going to reply to the GP but you said it pretty well. I think some people need a roomful of noisy, drunken strangers screaming at sports on a big-screen TV to enjoy a few drinks. Never really understood that, myself.

      I also agree with you about MADD. They've gone completely around the bend, off the deep end, into a bizarre, and completely untenable Prohibitionist position.

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  3. What will cities do? by Fallingcow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cities will have to step up drug enforcement big time to make up for budget shortfalls, if these become common. No more traffic tickets means dramatically lower revenue for many towns.

    1. Re:What will cities do? by zmollusc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, imagine a street with a 40mph limit and a steady stream of robocars doing 39.99999mph. Just set up some roadworks and a temporary 20mph limit for 'safety'. $Ker-ching, $Ker-ching, $Ker-ching, $Ker-ching, $Ker-ching.

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  4. Re:Rules of the Road by cosm · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Automated cars
    2. Bad human drivers

    if (rearCarDriver == human)
    {
    BrakeCheck();
    }

    3. Profit! Thanks state-laws-always-faulting-driver-in-rear!

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  5. They're pulling a fast one. by WED+Fan · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know, I think they are pulling a trick on us. My money is on the fact that they are actually outsourcing the drivers to India. There's no computer, just drone car drivers in Mumbai, web cams, and a really fast internet connection. This could also explain why traffic patterns in SF and Mumbai are almost identical.

    And, who cares, if it can't fly, and I can't hop from my car to my 34th floor office using my jetpack, I don't want it.

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  6. (Un) Official Google Reply by webmistressrachel · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a not-so-official Google reply - "It will do no evil".

    -- Will it pick up hitchhikers?
    This is an option available in the comprehensive Android for Cars(TM) Options screen. It is set "Off" by default for passenger safety.

    -- Will it courteously let people pull out who have been waiting?
    Using a variation on BitTorrent P2P technology, Android for Cars(TM) will auto-negotiate with other Car-OSs (including Windows 9 for Cars and Linux) priorities based on waiting time and resultant collective fuel efficiency to assign priorities.

    -- Will it flick-off people who drive 30 under?

    Android for Cars(TM) will predict the path and speed of all non-AI traffic based on it's currert course and the layout of terrain ahead. It will likely overtake and ignore most slower traffic, unless there is a risk in doing so.

    -- Will it flick-off people who drive 30 over?

    Android for Cars(TM) will predict the path and speed of all non-AI traffic based on it's currert course and the layout of terrain ahead. It will likely ignore and allow faster traffic to pass, unless there is compensation to be had. See "Legal Destruction of Road Traffic" in the Reference Manual.

    -- Will it flicker brights to warn of speed traps?

    Android for Cars(TM) complies with all National and State Laws regarding speeding and speed control. Google ourselves have a "Do No Evil" policy. For both these reasons, Android for Cars(TM) will ignore speed traps and law enforcement and meatbag's reactions to them.

    -- Will it pull over for emergency vehicles?

    Android for Cars(TM) incorporates two systems which will effectively provide for this situation. First, faster moving traffic is given priority anyway, and emergency vehicles running Android for Emergency Vehicles(TM) can signal direct commands to your vehicle.

    -- Will it draft large semis?

    Google failed to understand your question. Please retype or rephrase you enquire. Back to Google Android for Cars(TM) Home.

    -- Will it bring me hookers and blackjack?

    Google Android for Cars(TM) can and will run in completely automated mode, completing assigned journeys efficiently. However, identification of such subjective things as "Hookers" and "Blackjack" will require an independent Bending Unit, a supplementary control system, available seperately from Mom's Friendly Robot Company.

    -- Also, who receives the citation in the event of a stop?

    As legal "Owner" and "Operator" of the car, you do. This is why we provide full source...

    Rachel x

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  7. Why personal autonomous cars will never arrive by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And these US cities have no cabs?

    Not everyone can afford to blow $80+ just to get to and from their night out.

    Question: Why does a cab cost $80?
    Answer: The driver.

    If you have cars which can drive themselves. No driver required. Therefore, much cheaper cabs.

    You only have business running costs, repairs, fuel. no driver.

    ok. so you've just blown $50k on a new personal autonomous car. What are you going to do with it? Put it in the garage all day while you work? It cost 50k, you bought it on credit, you are paying for finance. Its autonomous, it can drive itself it doesn't need to sit in a garage all day. It can carry passengers while you are at work and pay for itself.

    So there you have it. When the autonomous car arrives, it'll end up as a taxi cab. It'll put the existing cabbies out of business, and the concept of personally owning a car will also go out of the window (This will also kill the mass market for cars entirely). Why spend 50k on a personal autonomous car at all? Cabs are now cheap and will pick you up at the door.

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  8. Re:Rules of the Road by sumdumass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the problems I have seen is a little bit more confusing then a car backing into another car.

    Suppose you were driving down the freeway and you were maintaining a good assured clear distance from the vehicle in front of you. Your in the right hand lane doing the speed limit, or perhaps the middle lane and faster traffic is moving around you in the left lanes like they are supposed to even though they are statutorily speeding. Now someone else in a big hurry who was texting their friend about being late for cocktails, changes lanes in front of you and erases that assured clear distance. So being a good driver, you decrease your speed to provide the proper distance again, then all the sudden, the driver in front of you looks away from their phone and notices they need to take the exist you are about to pass and slams on the brakes causing you to hit them. Now suppose all this happened within about 3 seconds or so time so there was no safe way for you to react any differently that could have avoided the accident.

    I bring this up because the rear driver isn't always at fault by their own actions per se. I've seen that happen many times before on different highways all across the country. A lot of times, it happens to big rigs which also generally ends in major injuries and a highway that's locked up for hours.

    I otherwise agree with you. But there are times when the acts of others remove the ability for responsible driving to exist for a short period of time. It's those times in which blaming the person behind you is really attacking the wrong person.