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US Reigns As Most Bot-Infected Country

Trailrunner7 writes "The US has by far the highest number of bot-infected computers of any country in the world, with nearly four times as many infected PCs as the country in second place, Brazil, according to a new report by Microsoft. The quarterly report on malicious software and Internet attacks shows that while some of the major botnets have been curtailed in recent months, the networks of infected PCs still represent a huge threat."

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  1. Re:Microsoft Did the Report? by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 4, Informative

    I take that back. Not only do they report which OS, but claim their count by how many computers their malicious software tool has cleaned. lol

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  2. ALL RIGHT !! USA NUMBER 1 USA! USA! USA! USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eat that China. You suck!

  3. I read the TFA by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But after a short glance I still couldn't see if this is a "per computer" basis for the country or simply a "total pwned" basis.

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    1. Re:I read the TFA by Unoriginal+Nick · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US is most in absolute numbers. In rate per 1000, Turkey has the highest rate.

    2. Re:I read the TFA by T+Murphy · · Score: 5, Informative
      The actual Microsoft report has a map that is far more informative than the article itself. As expected, Brazil has a higher infection rate than the US, with the US only leading by gross number of infections. Of course, this data is just number of infections detected and cleaned- it isn't necessarily a complete survey. From the site where the map is given:

      Figure 15 [the map] shows the infection rates in locations around the world using a metric called computers cleaned per thousand, or CCM, which represents the number of reported computers cleaned for every 1,000 executions of the MSRT.

      The actual site is here if you want to get straight to the information (link is also given in the article).

  4. I Blame WindowBUYTIXNOW4SALE by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Funny

    I blame Window#BUY TIX NOW 4 SALE only $19,99 in America dollar! Extra fine speci4l sauce extra.

    You give gold, please.

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  5. Quick Question by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many computers total are in the US compared to other countries of the world?

    Simple counts don't cut it in the real world of statistics.

    I bet 100% of Canadian computers could be infected and we still might not beat out the US. Considering the Population of California alone is greater than our national population (or at least it was last time I checked).

    1. Re:Quick Question by tacarat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Real statistics don't cut it in the world of headlines.

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    2. Re:Quick Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I bet 100% of Canadian computers could be infected and we still might not beat out the US

      Why didn't that sentence confuse you?

    3. Re:Quick Question by martin-boundary · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Simple counts don't cut it in the real world of statistics.

      Huh? It entirely depends on what the statistics are being used for. Simple counts are useful when the amount of activity is proportional to the population size.

      For example, with a botnet, it's the absolute number of bots that matters, because the bots in a botnet are interchangeable (it doesn't matter where they're located, or what processor they're running, etc).

      So if you're going to propose botnet solutions on a per country basis, then you want to know which country has the greatest number of active bots, not the country which has the greatest percentage of infectected computers.

  6. Re:Cyber Defense by ThePawArmy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmmm tepid jello....

  7. True measure by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This report is not a good measure of anything. It only counts botnets cleaned by Microsoft's program, and it doesn't talk about infections per capita. It measures nothing, and is pretty close to useless. Yay. Okay, that's not totally fair - there is useful information in it. But the article has very little of that information, and the summary has none of it. Now, yay.

    1. Re:True measure by Arrogant-Bastard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutely true -- any estimate of total botnet populations that isn't in excess of 100 million can safely be disregarded as the product of either (a) poor methodology or (b) creative public relations.

      Moreover, since these statistics are allegedly based on the number supposedly cleaned up, they've severely biased toward "systems which happen to have the appropriate cleanup tool installed AND which happen to have malware that the cleanup tool knows about". Given that the bad guys have copies of the cleanup tool as well, it's certain that they've undertaken significant engineering effort to craft their malware to avoid it.

      The only things we really know about bots at this point are (a) they're already epidemic (b) there are more every day (c) no effective countermeasure exists (d) botnet disruption does not remediate bots (e) botnet C&C mechanisms are improving continuously and (f) we are approaching the point in time where any Windows system, chosen randomly, will have a 50-50 chance of being a bot.

  8. this by buddyglass · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Exactly. Here are Microsoft's statistics after computer prevalence is taken into account. Quote from that page:

    Among locations with more than 200,000 executions of the MSRT in 2Q10, Turkey had the highest infection rate, with 36.6 computers cleaned for every 1,000 MSRT executions (CCM 36.6). Following Turkey were Spain (35.7), Korea (34.4), Taiwan (33.5), and Brazil (25.8). All have been among the locations with the highest infection rates for several periods.

    Locations with the lowest infection rates include Belarus (1.3), Bangladesh (1.5), Sri Lanka (1.8), Tunisia (1.8), and Morocco (1.9).

    Given the very low infection rate of most of Africa, though, something tells me Microsoft's "CCM" metric may not perfectly reflect real infection rates.

  9. Numbers... by citoxE · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reason more Americans are infected is because of the sheer amount of computers we have. As others have noted, it's really the percentage per 1000 that are infected that really count. I would bet that most people nowadays have more than one PC in their home, so the statistics are skewed if no one is playing by the same rules.

    1. Re:Numbers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      percentage per 1000

      Idiot

  10. IT staff by NetNed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could it be from the down playing of hiring a proper IT staff that actually knows what they are doing, or paying a professional that knows how to properly remove and repair things? Sure most reading this know to run scans of up to date tools to remove infections on PC's, but in my experience most put up with it till performance is to the point of crippling the PC or network. Then a outside IT is called in and sometimes is treated like they are somehow to blame for the issues they are experiencing and try and use that as an excuse for not hiring a real IT person that actually knows what security is about. Of course this is for smaller sized business, but I have seen things as stupid as this in larger sized companies that think they are really saving something by having a secretary or high school kid run their network.

    1. Re:IT staff by david.emery · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's clear from my experience that you need a competent IT staff to run a network of Microsoft machines.

      It's also clear from my experience that a reasonably intelligent group of Mac users do NOT need the same level of help. That's not to say they never need "professional experience," rather to point out that a single trained Mac IT support person takes care of a LOT more installations than a trained Windows IT support person. In the company I used to work for, I think that number was about 25-1; there were 2 Mac people supporting an installed Mac user base of several hundred in a department of, I don't know, 25-50 maybe for a Windows installed base of several thousand. Now some of those people did servers, routers, etc, and not just desktops.

      Running a server, whether Windows, Mac OS X Server or Linux, requires a deeper level of training, experience and time investment.

  11. US Reigns As Most Bot-Infected Country on Web by BudAaron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So can someone explain why this is news? Sounds more like it reflects the number of computers in the country!

    1. Re:US Reigns As Most Bot-Infected Country on Web by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      So can someone explain why this is news? Sounds more like it reflects the number of computers in the country!

      Look, as an American, it feels good to be the bestest at something for a change. We're desperate, we'll take anything.

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  12. Re:Microsoft Did the Report? by shadowbearer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Which is only a small fraction of the real infections out there. I've cleaned thousands of infected computers since MS introduced that tool, and I've yet to see one which the tool dealt with adequately.

      (Don't bother to say "Yeah, but if it dealt with it, you wouldn't see the computer!" If they really believed that tool was effective, then Microsoft wouldn't include the warning "you don't appear to have an antivirus solution installed" in their security center warning, now, would they?)

    SB

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  13. Re:We're Number 1!!! by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, you trolls are starting to piss me off. You know here in the USA we got TONS of other races yet all you say is "nigger nigger nigger" and "spic spic spic" and that is....well it just ain't fair! I mean sure, you throw in the occasional Jew, but what about us Micks? I haven't heard a decent Irish insult in ages! And where is the Italian and Native American jokes? This used to be a site with top notch trolls, trolls that really went that extra mile. THREE PAGE ass rape trolls written in the style of a Harlequin romance, or HUGE vulgar ASCII layouts that took real artistic ability. Now you just say "nigger" and think you have written a quality troll, it is just sad I tell ya. I'm sure the great trolls are hanging their heads under their bridges in shame.

    As for TFA, before we get all those lame "ban windblowz LOL!" lame bits, as a PC repair guy that actually has to deal with these on a day to day basis? The OS is fine, has been since XP Sp2 as a matter of fact, it is the dumb as shit users that ruin everything! I don't know how many times I tell them "don't just download and run random shit from the Internet" or "Don't go opening email attachments or clicking links sent to you by people you don't even know" but do they listen? hell no! At least with Vista and 7 the new security features help somewhat to protect the OS from the PEBKAC, but I can tell you the two biggest sources of infection are 1.-people purposely installing malware because it came with some "free app" they wanted or a web page said "ZOMG! you got teh Viruzz" even though they have a working AV (which I swear I have seen them turn off because some app they are trying to install told them to) and 2.- Adobe Reader bullshit.

    Linux or any other FLOSS would NOT magically fix that kind of stupid my friends, Lord I wish it would but it simply won't. These same folks if you stuck them on Linux would happily pass their root password to any and every app without a second thought, they simply don't give ANY thought at all. You'd think I'd be happy about this, but it makes me feel like the cave painter in "History of the World: Part 1" who has his masterpiece pissed on. I get enough work from referrals I'm actually very happy when someone follow basic best practices and doesn't need to bring me their machine all the time. But as TFA shows, for every 1 of those there are 10,000 that would give you their password for a cookie. it is just fricking sad man, just fricking sad.

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  14. Wrong headline, wrong RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sorry to disappoint the USA #1 fans, but it should have read: The U.S. has by far the highest number of bot-infected computers of any country in the world, with nearly four times as many infected PCs as the country in second place, Brazil, according to a new report by Microsoft, until Microsoft's malicious software removal tool cleaned up said computers so those stats are no longer valid.

  15. Re:National Reformat Day by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Too bad, as a species, we don't seem capable of this kind of synchronization.

    Actually as a species we are quite capable of synchronisation, the problem is people only synchronise of trivial bullshit EG: sporting events.

  16. Re:We're Number 1!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I haven't heard a decent Irish insult in ages!.

    I'll speak more slowly then.

  17. Re:F*cking Bots, How Do They Work? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2, Funny

    What the hell can I do so she'll stop calling me for tech support when her computer starts acting like Robin Williams on crack every other week?

    Next time you show up to fix it, act like Robin Williams on crack.

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  18. Re:Microsoft Did the Report? by Eskarel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MSE is free, available on every OS back to XP and as from my personal experience and research actually works. They're certainly far better than any other free AV solution available and I've seen it pick up stuff which broke Norton, all without requiring an extra core just to run your AV program.

    Not sure what the heck you mean about business accounts or high dollars since the app is free.

  19. Re:We're Number 1!!! by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

    what about us Micks? I haven't heard a decent Irish insult in ages!

    Ok, here you go...

    How many Irishmen does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Three. One to hold the bulb and two to drink until the room spins.

    What's a seven course meal for an Irishman? A six pack and a potato.

    If you go into a bar and hear a British accent, how do you tell if he's English, Scotch, or Irish? You wait until a fly lands in his beer. An Englishman will make a face and politely order another beer. A Scotsman will make a face, pull the fly out and keep drinking. An Irishman will pull the fly out and scream "SPIT IT OUT YOU LITTLE BASTARD!!!!"

    BTW, one of my anscestors was born in Blarney Castle. I wonder if the troll you responded to was black, or Hispanic?