Slashdot Mirror


Putting the Squeeze On Broadband Copper Robbers

nk497 writes "As the price of copper rises, thieves have taken to stealing broadband cables, taking out internet connections and slowing down the rollout of super-fast broadband by giving engineers more work to do. To battle the criminals, UK provider BT has 21 investigators on staff to track down thieves and has started using SmartWater bombs that spray stolen property and the criminals. The SmartWater liquid carries a DNA fingerprint that links a criminal to the scene of the crime and police units carrying ultra-violet light detectors can use the incriminating stains to make an arrest after the trap has been sprung. 'We had one case recently where someone in Dagenham was stopped and searched after acting suspiciously and the police used a UV light on them and could show that they had been tampering with the equipment,' said Auguste. The SmartWater liquid can also be pasted inside cables, making them easier to trace — and less appealing to scrap metal buyers, helping to cut demand for stolen copper."

27 of 282 comments (clear)

  1. Perhaps by shitzu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps move to fiber should be considered

    1. Re:Perhaps by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We had one case recently where someone in Dagenham was stopped and searched after acting suspiciously.

      When will people learn to stop acting suspiciously after they do something they aren't supposed to do?

      If someone were to try to rip out newly-installed fiber, would they walk around pointing to their glasses?

    2. Re:Perhaps by AaxelB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When will people learn to stop acting suspiciously after they do something they aren't supposed to do?

      A large subset of thieves (and many other types of criminals) are also stupid, or have low self-control. If you can control yourself and are reasonably smart, you can probably profit more through various less risky legal means.

    3. Re:Perhaps by AlecC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Very relevant point indeed. An argument I often have with the hard-on-crime lot. They propose punishments would deter them - but they are not criminals in the first place. The real criminals are, all too often, stupid and/or ill educated and/or have mental health problems and/or addiction problems. A system tuned to deterring comfortable middle glass good (in law at least) citizens simply doesn't work against the kind of people who commit 95% of crime. But it is those middle-class voters who set the legal agenda.

      --
      Consciousness is an illusion caused by an excess of self consciousness.
    4. Re:Perhaps by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps move to fiber should be considered

      Having that much trouble shitting?

    5. Re:Perhaps by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Funny

      An argument I often have with the hard-on-crime lot.

      You mean flashers and rapists?

      Yes, I deliberately ignored the second hyphen for attempted comic effect.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  2. Copper broadband? by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scrap metal recyclers don't pay much for fiber optics, just saying.

  3. Smart water? by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Funny

    The SmartWater liquid carries DNA

    So now we're calling it smart water?

    Also, eeeeew! eeew! God why! eeeew!

    And also, the marketing concept of "smart drink" has just gone to hell.

    And finally. "Smart water? Who came with that idea?"

    1. Re:Smart water? by ginbot462 · · Score: 3, Funny

      On the plus side, Smart Water bottles themselves are a great size/form factor with heavier plastic than most brands - I bought a case for that reason. Sort of like "disposable" Tupperware.

      --
      Atlas Shrugged : Thematic Story :: Battlefield Earth : Organized Religion
  4. Simple solution by germansausage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do the same for scrap metal dealers what they do here for pawnshops. Put a four week hold on all payments. Payment by cheque only, mailed to the name and address of the government ID of the person selling the scrap metal. Discourages 90% of the "disorganized" (i.e. drug addicts and homeless) opportunistic or desperation type theft. The delay also lets the power and telco companies come around and retrieve their stolen goods before they get shipped off or melted down.

    1. Re:Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The delay also lets the power and telco companies come around and retrieve their stolen goods before they get shipped off or melted down.

      By the time stolen wiring gets to a scrap dealer it is generally in no state to be used for its original purpose. The only way it'd be worth retrieving is if it was wire/cable still on the original spool with undamaged insulation. And any scrap dealer that would even think of buying that knows damn well that they are buying stolen materials. Ditto when some twitchy methhead shows up with hundreds of pounds of copper wiring that got "burned up in a fire" or a similar amount of nice shiny household copper pipe.

    2. Re:Simple solution by dasdrewid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      what they do here for pawnshops. Put a four week hold on all payments.

      That sucks. Half the point of a pawn shop is "oh shit, I have to pay rent in 2 days but don't get paid for 4!" A short term loan where you get to choose your collateral (and which, if you default on, they're not going to come after your house or whatever).

      --
      No trespassing. Violators will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.
  5. Yes, but most crime does not pay well by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Informative

    Crime does NOT pay all that well. Your car is NOT worth the money you paid for it. The moment you drive it out of the shop, it looses a lot of its value. Same with that gold ring. To a thief, it is even worth less because these things can only be sold to fences.

    2nd hand copper is a legit trade. Tons of the stuff gets processed all the time, so if I show up with a ton claiming I was demoloshing a factory and dug it up, who is going to ask questions.

    It may not be worth all that much, but I get market price for it, not what some fence is willing to pay.

    And most criminals never become rich anyway. Yes, stealing a ton of copper is hard work, but so is regular work for that level of education/skill. These aren't smart criminals. Just greedy. That is why so many of them end up paying the ultimate price. Death as they cut a life wire.

    What other metals you can easily sell large quantities of do you know are lying around unguarded? People might notice if you start dismanting power pylons and ripping out railroad tracks takes far more effort then the overhead power cables.

    --

    MMO Quests are like orgasms:

    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

  6. Re:Scum Bags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stories like this warm my heart and give me confidence that there is still justice in the universe:

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/state/Man_electrocuted_in_copper_wire_theft.html

    http://www.kens5.com/news/Man-loses-arms-and-legs-in-copper-theft-83398667.html

    Even if a copper wire thief isn't killed, if they are caught this should be their punishment anyway. Strip the insulation off of a 100ft extension cord, wrap them in it from head to toe, remove the magnetic breaker and shove some bus wire in its place, plug the cord in, and watch that fucker light up like some Christmas lights from hell.

  7. Stealing for pleasure versus necessity by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are two types of theft: stealing for necessity (food, medicine and such) and stealing for pleasure.

    The guy who steals because he's starving is not even remotely the same as the guy who steals something which he doesn't need to survive.

    There was a time when the latter were regarded without any mercy and rightly as the scum that they are. You could use force, even deadly force when necessary, in defense of property that no one needs to meet basic human needs.

    Guess what? People pulled this shit a lot less often back then.

    The irony of the accusation that letting people use serious force to defend their property is a form of barbarism is that the unlawful taking of property, especially when it damages entire parts of the community, is a real form of barbarism. Basic crime is a rejection of civil society.

    1. Re:Stealing for pleasure versus necessity by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I steal an apple from your fruit bowl, I can feed myself for a couple of hours.

      If I steal your 52" plasma screen TV and fence it, I can feed myself for a month at least.

      What I steal isn't the issue. Why I steal it isn't either. A homeless person stealing your TV is no less serious than a couple of chavs out with his mates doing the same thing. Theft is theft. If we looked after the homeless and less well off, we wouldn't have them stealing our stuff. At that point, we'd only have the opportunist and the greedy, which could well be dealt with by the methods you outlined. However, we need to care for the needy first.

      --
      Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
  8. Re:Scum Bags by dintech · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll be sure never to take YOUR sandwich from the office refrigerator...

  9. Mod Parent Up by hedwards · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I had mod points, I'd mod you up. One of the things I've noticed is that you can often walk out of a store through a beeping loss control device, by behaving as if it isn't going off. Also certain shops with those detectors have ones that malfunction and the staff tends to ignore it. It's probably because store staff don't have arresting power in misdemeanor theft around here.

    It applies to most things, if you don't want somebody executing a felony arrest warrant on you, the easiest way to avoid that is by not driving like an idiot. It's not fool proof, but it's the most common way for those arrest warrants to lead to an arrest.

  10. Re:Economic opportunity by Pojut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back when I was working as a mechanic, we had a guy that came around and bought up all our scrap. He was doing pretty well for himself...likely earning as much if not more than we were working in the shop. He ended up disappearing for a couple of months...when he returned, he said that he had been almost caught ripping copper out of a construction site (something he did regularly, apparently...which explains his lavish lifestyle given his collecting scrap life.)

    He said he could make more money in a single copper run than he could in nearly three weeks worth of scrap collecting. I don't think opportunities or a lower income gap are the problems...I think it's an activity that pays really well compared to the effort required, at least if our old scrap guy is any indication.

  11. Soooooo...... by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, I mess with your package, and I get sprayed with a florescent liquid containing DNA.

    I hope they don't try to patent this, as I think there may be prior art.

    1. Re:Soooooo...... by mike2R · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, I mess with your package, and I get sprayed with a florescent liquid containing DNA.

      I hope they don't try to patent this, as I think there may be prior art.

      I think you should maybe see a doctor... :P

      --
      This sig all sigs devours
  12. Re:Scum Bags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    That would be wise, since at random intervals I place a decoy sandwich in that fridge, with a few fish hooks hidden between the lettuce and the cheese.

  13. Re:Economic opportunity by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think what the parent's point is that many of these folks are doing this to make a living. When one has their backs against the wall, they do desperate things.

          This is the typical bleeding heart argument. And poor drug dealers, they're just trying to make a living too.

          You realize that a morally sound person will refuse to engage in this type of activity on principle, no matter how hard up they are? These people are the scum of the earth, their parents should never have had children because certainly they had no idea how to raise them. These opportunists are out to make a quick buck because they think the world owes them something, and they have no interest (or are probably amused by) the damage they cause to society. I'm just sad that because of bleeding heart like you we're not allowed to shoot them.

    --
    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  14. Re:Economic opportunity by JSBiff · · Score: 3, Funny

    ". . .Nativity . . ."

    I don't think that word means what you think it means. I believe the word you are looking for is "naivety".

  15. Re:Economic opportunity by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The war on theft is one of those basic prohibitions that's been around since the dawn of civilization. When I leave for work in the AM, this prohibition helps to make sure my shit is still in my house when I get home. It's one of the lubricants for a smooth running society, and legalizing theft (as you seem to be advocating) is a monumentally Bad Idea.

  16. Re:Scum Bags by mangu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In Saudi Arabia a man would have his right hand amputated if caught stealing.

    Do you think having both arms and legs amputated is a more just punishment?

  17. Re:Economic opportunity by caerwyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't believe that the parent said anything about not *blaming* the perpetrators for the crime. But punishment, in and of itself, is rarely a solution to anything- witness the perpetual failure that is the war on drugs.

    It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that we investigate and attempt to fix the causes of crimes, *in addition* the punishing those caught perpetrating them.

    The world is not black and white. Your "you must be a bleeding heart who's causing all our problems by not letting us shoot petty criminals" attitude is not a solution, it's part of the problem.

    --
    The ringing of the division bell has begun... -PF