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Antenna Arrays Could Replace Satellite TV Dishes

Zothecula writes "There was a time not so very long ago when people who wanted satellite TV or radio required dishes several feet across. Those have since been replaced by today's compact dishes, but now it looks like even those might be on the road to obsolescence. A recent PhD graduate from The Netherlands' University of Twente has designed a microchip that allows for a grid array of almost-flat antennae to receive satellite signals."

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  1. Phased Array antennas by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative

    Phased-array antennas really do work but they are not new. The nice thing about them is that they have electronic steering, so they can steer really fast while a conventional antenna of equivalent size would take much more time to move.

    The problem with articles like this (and their Slashdot introductions) is that they always come off as student makes big scientific break-through rather than student applies well-known science.

  2. Re:Why? by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its probably a phased array antenna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phased_array. The big thing here isn't the fact that its been done, but that the chip makes it easy, cheap, and fast to manufacture one. The actual size wouldn't be very different, since the size is based on the required gain, and the physics don't change for a parabolic antenna or a phased array.

    The big advantage I see to this is two-fold: 1. Mounts flat so it is much less of an eyesore. Also you could conceivably hide it behind something that is radio transparent. 2. Can be pointed via software, so that the physical installation only needs to be pointed in the rough direction of the satellite.

  3. Re:No by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 3, Informative

    GP is correct - the dish size has all to do with the gain of the antenna, not the resonant frequency. The actual antenna is at the focal point of the dish and it's length IS frequency-critical. The surface area of the dish directly corresponds to its gain.

    The reason we no longer use giant 6' dishes is twofold - because they are using 24 GHz instead of 5 GHz means the antenna at the focal point is much smaller, and the area of the dish is relatively the same size - with relationship to the wavelength - which is also much smaller.

    The other reason is the peak power of, say the DirecTV sats, is as high as 150W for some transponders, whereas the older C-Band stuff was about 10W peak.

    Dishes typically are designed to produce somewhere around 30dB of gain, which is 1000x magnification of the signal over a straight dipole with no reflector.

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  4. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    GP and YOU are mildly incorrect. WaveLength of the signal is impotant to the gain of the dish. a 5ghz signal has less gain on a 5 foot dish than a 20ghz signal does.

    a 3 meter dish at 5 ghz has 21.704db of gain.
    the same dish at 20 ghz has 54.415db of gain....

    massively more gain on the same size of dish simply because of the frequency of the signal.

    you also ignore that the LNA's used today are 20 times better than the ones from only 5 year ago.