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Details of Android 3.0, SIP, Video Chat

dkd903 was one of several folks to note that a bunch of details about Google's Android 3.0 are beginning to leak out. The platform is codenamed Gingerbread; it includes video chat to compete with the iPhone, and a graphical overhaul to try to make it look a bit better compared to its rivals.

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  1. Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way by Pojut · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I gotta say, after messing around with Sense, I can't freakin' STAND the stock Android OS look. I'm currently running xtrSense on my Eris, which is a freakin' GREAT rom...but yeah, stock Android is just fugly.

    Looking forward to a system-wide visual update.

    1. Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way by catbutt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Aside from the end user experience, as an Android developer (in the process of porting iphone apps) I can tell you that android sure makes it difficult to do the slick effects that on iPhone are practically free. For instance, the transitional animations that make the iPhone seem so slick are a nightmare to accomplish on Android. I hope they do a lot of work in this area.

    2. Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone who uses his phone and complains about the battery life constantly- I'd rather that any dev who thinks these are a good idea gets his hands smashed with a hammer so he can never code again.

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    3. Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People don't get it. UI animations -- done correctly -- aren't just bling. They tell people what happened, where things went, and where they're at in the application. The classic example is minimizing a window to an icon in the dock. The zooming rects reinforce what happened, where the window went, and where to find it again.

      On the iPhone such things are implemented as GPU effects, with a totally insignificant impact on battery life. If you're on Android, firing up the 3G radios for a single background check on Twitter posts burns through more power than all the daily UI animations on your phone combined.

      And if your battery life is really that bad, then buy a better phone next time...

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    4. Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way by binary+paladin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No. They're not. Those visual cues are important to A LOT of people.

      Of course, you're probably the kind of person who shuts off text anti-aliasing too.

    5. Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way by shmlco · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you're all that, perhaps I can interest you in Microsoft's new MS-DOS Command Line phone?

      No graphics whatsoever.

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    6. Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way by Fast+Thick+Pants · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ah, fond memories of ECHO ATDP 63489 > COM1...

      (Greybeard three-fer: Dialing from the MS-DOS command prompt, pulse dialing no less, and, God as my witness, I actually used to be able to dial my uncle by using only five digits.)

      (Holy crap, I just remembered that my first modem was an acoustic coupler job that couldn't even dial, and I used to hand-dial into the BBS using a rotary phone. And for kicks I practiced pulse dialing by rapidly clicking the receiver button. I guess it's about time I got a lawn...)

    7. Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way by mrawhimskell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We know you know and we acknowledge your geekiness. But I believe we are referring to the general populace which may not be as enlightened as you are. Give noobs a chance

  2. Video chat to compete with the iPhone by TheKidWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about video chat that works with the iPhone as well?

    Would be nice to use my Epic to video chat with a friends iPhone.

    1. Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      How about video chat that works with the iPhone as well?

      I hope so too, but I fear that there's a penis size contest about to begin here. :-(

      I'm afraid Google would feel that following the FaceTime standard would risk giving away users to Apple.

      How the fuck is FaceTime a standard? It was first mentioned on June 7, 2010. I've been using Skype to video chat on my N900 for about a year. And people in Europe have been video chatting using some other Nokia thingamajig for a year or two before that. May have been using Gizmo or something.

      Really. Apple didn't do anything impressive with FaceTime. Just use the Google Voice or Skype apps to video chat. They've been around long enough to be mentioned as a standard without people laughing in your face.

    2. Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone by Fast+Thick+Pants · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just use the Google Voice or Skype apps to video chat. They've been around long enough to be mentioned as a standard without people laughing in your face.

      Presumably you mean Google Talk, which uses the Jabber/XMPP messaging standard. The Skype protocol is spooky and mysterious, but I guess it's a defacto standard. FaceTime on the other hand is such a non-standard that it doesn't even work on Macs yet.

    3. Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Presumably you mean Google Talk, which uses the Jabber/XMPP messaging standard.

      Specifically, it uses Jingle for voice and video. Jingle originated at Google, but they published it as a standard (actually, a family of standards), in the form of a set of XEPs. In contrast, Steve Jobs said that FaceTime would be published as a standard, but I have yet to see any documentation of the protocol from Apple.

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    4. Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone by mr100percent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      FaceTime is using open, unencrypted protocols and is looking to share it and make it interoperate with others. Skype is proprietary closed-source that blocks competitors (like Fring).

      FaceTime uses H.264, AAC, SIP, STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, and SRTP. All open standard protocols that someone could make work with iPhones/iPods. I'm surprised nobody put together a Windows app to connect to them. Imagine how popular Oovoo would be against Skype if they had this feature

  3. Re:Open System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Everyone who was smart enough to get a Nexus One rather than locked down Motorola garbage.

  4. We already have video chat by Superken7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but google wants to compete with google talk video chat with the rest of video providers.

    They better have API support for front cameras and all that new stuff, because thats something that is clearly missing in todays API, while there are already several phones with front-facing cameras in the market.
    Its possible to interact with them by setting the appropiate parameters in the API, but those parameters are not consistent across devices.

    Overall, I think the biggest 3.0 change should be look&feel.

    And I hope they don't just overhaul the UI and write beautiful google apps. I hope they do a complete UI tools overhaul so develpers can effortlessly create beautiful apps. Im not buying any of that fragmentation nonsense crap. The real issue is a lack of a "Interface builer" so we can build beautiful apps with no extra effort.
    Combine a really good "interface builder", "default layout settings" or whatever it might be with Android's customization and we got a clear winner in the UI and UX space.

    Thats my 2c

    1. Re:We already have video chat by Superken7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Speaking of effortless nice Android UIs:

      In an effort to make creating a nice Android UI less painful I started this small project called Android Theme Samples.

      Its just like the Android Samples, where many examples are combined into a single downloadable app so you can browse it, try it and get those parts that better fit your own app.

      Its up in github for anyone to take and contribute: http://github.com/pllopis/AndroidThemeSamples

      I just got started and only a "light" theme and an "Action Bar" UI pattern are included. (Mind the design, I am not a designer).
      Would be really great if others contributed their own design :)

  5. Encryption please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Waiting for manageable full disk encryption, plus capability to encrypt the SD card. Android will never be fully accepted into the enterprise if this doesn't happen. Touchdown is ok, but doesn't really scale well across a huge client base.

  6. SIP would be great by jonescb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately, I think SIP support in Google Voice is going to be gutted in the US like how the Skype app works. I'm sure everybody in Europe will be free to make calls over SIP, but all us Americans will be stuck with Wifi only. Even if we could make calls over 3G, it's fairly difficult to find a carrier that will sell you only a data plan at a reasonable rate. For example, Sprint will sell you a 3G plan, but it's $50 a month, which is only $10 a month less than the data+voice bundle.

    1. Re:SIP would be great by priegog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I'm really looking forward about this is that the current (to my knowledge) most battery efficient app on the market today (Sipdroid) absolutely DEVOURS my battery, making it impossible for me to leave it running in the background. I'd really love a completely "virtual" phone in the sense that I could use it as a full time SIP phone, but so far, it's either take a charger everywhere I go or just use it for outgoing calls. Hopefully (probably?) Google will make an awesome app that doesn't use a lot of battery, making it usable.

      Google providing a SIP account would be great too. One less thing to configure.

      And yes, I'm in Europe, and yes I pay less than 15 Euro/month for my calls + internet. It's even a prepaid "plan", so I didn't sign anything. /bragging (I DID however have to pay 150 Euro for my free {as in freedom} HTC Magic {yay eBay!}.)

  7. OpenVPN without root by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only thing that I need is to be able to connect to my office OpenVPN without having to root the freakin' phone.

    My N900 does it, but I'm stuck with IPSec on the Desire which fails completely because of damnable NAT from the telco (Vodafone and O2 in my case!)

    Our sales droids would love to have an Android!

  8. Catch up by DeionXxX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's disappointing that they are now playing catchup again. How about some features that the iPhone doesn't have that it would want to copy? Android may have some great devs behind it but they surely don't seem to have anyone that is trying to come up with new and interesting things to put on the Android (like some sort of "idea man"). Everything they seem to do is to make it more and more commoditized and more generic. I'm not saying they shouldn't work on things like Video Chat, but I think they should also try to come up with that one "great new shiny thing" at least once a release. Flash was a complete bomb since it took months and months for it to roll out to everyone and then it was super buggy and slow. Pretty soon, phone manufacturers aren't even going to advertise "This phone is using Android"... because there's no buzz about it anymore. Consumers could hardly care less about building in "me too" features 6-12 months after a competitor's phone has it.

    This is from a long time Android user.

  9. Try Google App Inventor by IYagami · · Score: 4, Informative

    > The real issue is a lack of a "Interface builer" so we can build beautiful apps with no extra effort.
    > Combine a really good "interface builder", "default layout settings" or whatever it might be with
    > Android's customization and we got a clear winner in the UI and UX space.

    Try Google App Inventor, an official tool from Google itself

    http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/about/

    1. Re:Try Google App Inventor by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As someone who just started using App Inventor, it's AWESOME. For someone who doesn't have time to learn how to code Android deep down, it works wonders.

  10. This irks me by stimpleton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a Samsung Galaxy S (Epic, Fascinate in some markets) which it a top of the range phone. It has broken GPS (like most every other Galaxy S owner) and no official Samsung Android Froyo 2.2 update is forthcoming, and 3.0 is leaking?

    I feel aggrieved to be honest. I suspect this isnt a software problem and it may be hardware now.

    I was visiting another town the other day, and collegues from another org, were giving me gip as they all had IPhones and merrily pointed out locations, as mine couldnt get a lock at all. "Well, you have your Live Wallpaper. I guess thats something."

    If you like a bit of corporate show boating I would advise against a Samsung Galaxy S.

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    1. Re:This irks me by imgod2u · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem is Samsung in this case. Most if not all HTC and Motorola high-end phones have 2.2 already and have no GPS issues.

      I agree with a lot of the Android criticism but those issues you listed are specific to Samsung.

  11. It's an option by Namarrgon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Android has an All/Some/None setting to turn off UI animations, in Settings/Display/Animation, so once again it gives people the choice.

    It's been there since 1.6 at least.

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  12. DONT FIX. THE. FUCKING. DATEPICKER.. by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    +/- keys are a lot better then pull down menus and dials will get ridiculously annoying with 30 days in a month, 24 hours a day and 60 minutes in an hour.

    +/- is very scalable, if I want the count to go faster I just hold the button down, moving your thumb around in a circle is a very unnatural motion even for someone who's been playing video-games for 25 years. The wheel interface needs to die.

    Further more, if the +/- arent up to the task, I'll just type in the fucking date/time.

    If Google want to improve it, I'd suggest adding a few buttons for common usages or perhaps even a dial-pad (12 key interchangeable between 0-9 and months). On 800x400 screens, this should be easily doable.

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