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AP Proposes ASCAP-Like Fees For the News

eldavojohn writes "Techdirt directed my attention to an article where the AP discussed pressure from new devices and mediums today giving them cause to create a clearinghouse for news — much like the music industry's ASCAP — to 'establish an enforcement and payment system.' You'll notice that the story I am linking to and quoting is an AP story ... would Slashdot then be required to pay these fees? We have seen DMCA take down notices and fee discussions before from the AP."

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  1. And so the AP pulls the trigger... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...with the gun in their own mouth. If this goes through, it'll be the last nail in the coffin of classic news.

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    1. Re:And so the AP pulls the trigger... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I keep hearing this, but what do you plan on replacing traditional news with? You may not have noticed, but all the bloggers and sites like Slashdot or Reddit? They're all aggregators. They don't investigate news in any traditional sense. They troll around newspaper and news sites and read stuff. If they're a full on aggregator like /. then they just post links to the stuff they read (or that people submitted to them). If they're a blogger then they write an opinion piece and share the info out. When a liberal or conservative blogger "breaks a story" it just means that they read it in some local newspaper. They were the first nationally read source to break the story, but mostly they didn't actually create it. With a very, very small number of exceptions (usually where some source calls a blogger and gives them info), these guys don't produce news. They consume it and regurgitate it at you (Which sounds really gross, I didn't necessarily mean that in a bad way).

      If traditional news sources disappear, there will be no revolution where "new media" wanks will take over and do thing better and more accurately. They will have nothing to comment on. There will be no news for them to "break". Real investigative news requires a staff and a budget. You can't fly to Afghanistan to report on the ongoing war effort using the money you got from Google ad-sense this month. You can't run a month long investigate effort into discovering that the local government is embezzling the city retirement fund when you have to produce a new blog entry twice a day to pay the bandwidth bill.

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    2. Re:And so the AP pulls the trigger... by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I keep hearing this, but what do you plan on replacing traditional news with?

      Nothing?

      There's maybe one news story a week that I actually care about outside my own community, so I honestly can't see what I'd miss if 'traditional news' vanished tomorrow. Do I really need to know that the new Celebrity Chainsaw Massacre competitor has a bit of a cold today, or read regurgitated press releases that I could find direct on the web?

    3. Re:And so the AP pulls the trigger... by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Granted there's a lot of crap out there. But it costs a lot of money to have somebody camped out at town hall in case something happens, likewise for covering congressional issues at the state and federal level. Not to mention all the investigation and work it takes to uncover a story and separate it from the stories that don't pan out.

      The bigger issue you're pointing at is the 24 hour news cycle, even with all the technology and resources available, there just isn't 164 hours worth of news each week. Even if you discount for the commercial breaks, there's more time than there is news to cover.

      Ultimately, the scariest thing is that we won't know what we're missing because nobody will be there to dig it up.

  2. Donation Link needed by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about instead of copyrighting news, just put a donation link at the beginning of the story with a sentence reading, "Reporters who contributed to this story do not work for free. In order to continue enjoying reading stories like this, please consider a small donation to keep our business running. We appreciate you as a reader and thank you for your kind contribution!"

    Maybe that would work better?

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  4. Flawed logic by multisync · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You'll notice that the story I am linking to and quoting is an AP story ... would Slashdot then be required to pay these fees?

    ASCAP exists to collect royalties for creative works. "News" articles are a collection of facts (at least that's what they are supposed to be), and those facts are not copyrightable. This is the reason in the old days news papers busted their asses trying to "scoop" on another. They knew once the information was out there, it was fair game for anyone to report on it.

    Opinion columns, features, photos etc are a different matter. But simply reporting the fact that AP has cooked up a hair-brained scheme to try to extract money out of Google - and linking to your source for that "fact" - wouldn't require a royalty payment in any sane copyright law.

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  5. Re:Getting Modded into the Ground by Pojut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd classify it as flamebait by the sheer fact that the OP singled out a politician, rather than the general "politicians". That will automatically bring out other trolls against/shills for said politician.

    Generalized absolutes are rarely the way to go, unless the topic is politics.

  6. Re:Even better: by NiceGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "sex with adolescents, zoophilia,"

    Because for one, by law adolescents cannot legally consent to a sexual relationship with an adult (depending on various states law)
    and animals are incapable of consenting.
    This is an old, tired, and idiotic argument.

  7. I don't particularly like the ASCAP idea, but... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    reporting news outside the comfort of our homes does cost money. I don't like ASCAP because they usually go ape-shit over stuff like how many radios you have in your workplace or the radio station you play as your music on hold.

    I do like the idea of a non-profit being a clearinghouse for news reports and media outlets including bloggers can become paying members and as such have access to the late-breaking news first. This can be done without threatening anyone's fair use rights, and allow reporters in the field to continue to have the necessary resources they need.

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  8. Re:Even better: by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dude the AP already gets money from the Govt for operations.

    They can charge fees as soon as they give back ALL the money they have taken from the public.

    Oh and covering a war? get your OWN ass over there and your own armor.. No you're not riding in the Tank with us nor will we waste bullets to keep your butts alive... OR we can charge you a fee for that.

    Problem is our current leaders are too stupid to do this.

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  9. Re:Even better: by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just allow me to interject as someone who has a gay relative and who has been friends with gays his whole life gay marriage is NOT about any religious crap, it is about allowing people to have basic human rights. Let me give an example: I knew Chris and Robert for God, something like 15 years? Chris worked home health which is what my mom did before she retired, and everyone loves Chris. If you had a loved one dying of cancer you would literally fight to have Chris take care of them, because he worked his ass of to allow them to keep their dignity. Chris and Robert were together from 86-2003. They would still be together but a drunk plowed into Robert's car at 90MPH+, he lived for about 3 days before passing on. When Chris got home to plan the funeral he found Robert's estranged parents, who told Robert years ago "We don't want no faggot kid" cleaning out the house of everything that wasn't nailed down. The cops refused to do squat, because the place was in Robert's name and as his next of kin what was Robert's was now theirs. They BURNED anything they couldn't sell and sold everything else.

    If gay marriage or hell even a state recognized civil union would have been allowed that dirtbag shit wouldn't have happened. I'm sure some will say "get a will" but not only is getting hit by a drunk or having relatives you hadn't seen in 30 years rob you not something most of us would even consider, the simple fact is I've seen friends with wills that were tied up in court for years by vulture relatives. The laws on surviving spouses are simply a MUCH better protection, and the level of precedent for surviving spouses means it is pretty much set in stone. You are married and die? The surviving spouse gets your stuff PERIOD. Don't want gay marriage? Then push for a legally binding civil union that offers the SAME protections as marriage. It is about basic human rights folks, and what is being done now is simply just as wrong as saying you can't be protected by the law because your choice is a Jew or black.

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