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China's Official Newspaper Pans iPad — Too Locked Down

An anonymous reader writes "The People's Daily newspaper, which is the official news organ of the ruling Communist party in China, apparently recently posted a review of the iPad, where it complained about the locked down nature of the device, noting that 'There are many disadvantages. For example you cannot install pirate software on them, you cannot download [free] music, and you need to pay for movies you watch on them.' You would think a country that is in favor of locking down the internet so much would like a locked up device ..."

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  1. PwnageTool by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    http://www.iphonedownloadblog.com/tag/pwnagetool/

    Really? Your country spends so much effort pirating even physical cars, factories, etc, you can't be bothered to run a jailbreak?

  2. The answer is, of course... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...only when it benefits them. Consider how Baidu beat Google: by offering free searches of copyright-infringing content in addition to the legitimate services that Google provides. If I'm reading the stereotypes correctly, the Chinese government has no interest in protecting IP rights, especially those of American companies, since it ultimately seeks to undermine the American economy by devaluing it. So this really is towing the party line, if you assume that the movies, software and music are all seen as tied to America and American-allied countries (Japan, South Korea...) from the Chinese perspective.

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    1. Re:The answer is, of course... by witchman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "You're right that Baidu probably beat Google by offering free searches for piracy sites. If you stop with the copyright maximalist viewpoint for a minute, that's exactly what you'd expect in a free-market situation."

      This has nothing to do with a free-market. A free market says you have the choice to either make something or not make something, and also, the choice to purchase something or not purchase something. Doesn't say anything about the right to steal something, or in the case of Baidu, aid you in stealing something.

      What if Baidu helped me find all your bank account numbers and I "downloaded" all your money? How would you feel about their service then?

    2. Re:The answer is, of course... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The *AA are American companies in that they control substantial portions of the American government, press, and culture. What is bad for them is bad for the overall economy. There aren't many big American businesses that do manufacturing any more—as John Sculley said in an interview posted here a few days ago, most American companies are advertising and some form of R&D, media production, retail, pharmaceuticals... They don't produce anything that can't be undermined by knowledge of the schematics, or the manufacturing process, or source code, or possession of the audio/video data. It's all information.

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    3. Re:The answer is, of course... by feepness · · Score: 2, Insightful

      u don't have a god given right to make money off of something you do, the people decide when, where and why you get to make that money.

      You also don't have a god given right to clean air, water, and food free of rat feces.

      The people (ie: society) gives us those rights through government.

    4. Re:The answer is, of course... by mellon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Go down to the local FBI office lobby, light up a doobie, and then tell me our government doesn't try to dictate the choices their citizens get to engage in...

    5. Re:The answer is, of course... by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      China is in the midst of its industrial revolution.

      You say that our own industrial revolution is irrelevant. I don't think so and obviously the Chinese don't think so either. What you or I say is irrelevant to them, and if the Chinese started dictating to the US what we should do, you'd be telling them to piss off too.

      Shoe, meet other foot.

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    6. Re:The answer is, of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Intellectual Property is an illusion. You can't claim ownership over ideas no matter how many laws you make. People are always going to take someone else's Idea, change it, use it, make it better, what ever, get over it.

      Property rights are an illusion. You can't claim ownership over material objects no matter how many laws you make. People are always going to take someone else's property, change it, use it, make it better, what ever, get over it.

  3. No, they wouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You would think a country that is in favor of locking down the internet so much would like a locked up device

    It depends, as it always does, on who holds the key to the lock.

  4. It's about who does the locking by Tweenk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Chinese government likes lockdown only as long as they're the ones doing the locking. Once someone else is in control, it interferes with their own power.

    Catholic Church is a good example. A variant of it can exist in China on the condition that it dissociates itself from the Pope, so it is not controlled by a foreign entity. Chinese don't like lockdown and censorship, they like a monopoly of power and influence on the public. Once you think about it, that's also what many of the Western leaders want, but don't have the means necessary to get it.

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  5. Re:not surprised by mister_playboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China isn't bowing to the current Imaginary Property system because it only hurts them, just as they resisted Britain's attempts to get them all hooked on Opium in the 19th century.

    The USA did the exact same thing in the early stages of its rise to power, ignoring the Imaginary Property of European countries.

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  6. Re:not surprised by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a sense you are right. Intellectual property is important to advanced economies which primarily rely on innovation in order to grow. It is less important to countries whose economy is based on plentiful supply of humans who can cheaply and mindlessly stamp out parts for products that other countries invent. China is still a primitive country by Western/Japanese standards with per capita GDP 1/13th that of the USA. It is still desperately trying to catch up. This is because being a production hub for foreign companies will only take you so far, the next step is for Chinese home-grown companies to begin to flourish and produce original innovative technology and that's when China will also start caring about intellectual property.

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  7. don't have to pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You don't have to pay, or even hack or anything to watch movies or listen to music that you didn't get through the itunes store. Just needs to be in you itunes library duh... China doesn't like stuff locked down because they are the kings of piracy, they have no respect for intellectual property. They sell clones, copies of everything American. Not just stealing, but SELLING what they have stolen. So you are siding with China? Typical slashdot pro-piracy.

  8. NO history of civil code in China by ebusinessmedia1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact is that there is *no* history of civil code in China. The law has historically been punitive *only* when an activity upsets the natural order of things. For instance: if you carried a flag into Bejing in 1968 that said "Capitalism is Good", you were guaranteed to die or suffer in prison for years. China has, for its entire history, been controlled from the center, by emperors, despots, etc. At the same time, the absence of civil code has meant that when someone steals you property, or copies your invention, it was between you and the perpetrator, and the person with the most personal and networked power would win. That tendency continues to live in China, today. Things are changing, slowly, but it will be a long time before China embeds the private property meme, protected by civil laws, rules, authority, etc. into its society. Also, it will be a long time - if ever - before the Chinese end control from the center. So, their current criticism about the iPad fits perfectly fits their cultural and legal DNA. They think one should have easy/free access to a neighbor's (or a company's) IP, and that all control over a population should emanate from the center.

    1. Re:NO history of civil code in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "and the person with the most personal and networked power would win"
      I found this line interesting when taken out of context and applied toward understanding human evolution/survival of the fittest in general.

    2. Re:NO history of civil code in China by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In theory, the coin has an equal chance of coming up heads and tails. In practice, it might not work like it's supposed to.

      A bit like the Chinese legal system.

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    3. Re:NO history of civil code in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They think one should have easy/free access to a neighbor's (or a company's) IP, and that all control over a population should emanate from the center.

      This is going to create a pretty big problem for the US as China transitions from developing to developed, actually. The trouble with IP in general is that it has a universality defect: If it isn't enforceable everywhere then the places where it is enforceable end up subsidizing the places where it isn't. So the US ends up subsidizing China. We pay to develop tons of interesting technology, then file patent applications which get published and which anybody in China can use to implement the technology without paying anything, while other US companies have the disadvantage of having to pay.

      And the problem is, the only way for the US to fix it (since China is never going to actually enforce US IP against Chinese companies, even when they say they will) is for the US to "reciprocate" by not enforcing US IP against US companies. (Not enforcing Chinese IP against US companies wouldn't be worth a damn because there isn't much.)

  9. Re:apple blocked software that China GOV made by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah. Tag this story "irony".

    But I think what China is really saying here is this:

    There's nothing wrong with locked down, as long as we hold the keys.
    In this case, Steve Jobs & Co. hold the keys, therefore it sucks.

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  10. China is the new Arabs by Chicken_Kickers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been looking back at my posting history on Slashdot and noticed a trend. I have been more and more "defending" if you can call it that, China here. I then realized that, China is now the fashionable country to hate by many Westerners, mainly Americans, usurping Arabs and Muslims and possibly even the Iranians (who are not Arabs, despite what many bigots here like to say). Being a Muslim myself and weathering through horrible post-September 11 outright bigotry and hatred has made me more alert. All the classic signs are here in this thread. You know, the "they're stealing our jobs/innovations/money/women", "their culture is a debased/derivative of our own superior culture", "they have {insert negative racial trait} while we don't. I am also surprised to see about half of Slashdot suddenly turning into RIAA spokespersons about piracy in China when usually it's fuck the RIAA!. I guess it's "their piracy is inferior to our piracy" thing. More disturbingly, further down the thread someone tried to find the purported original article and couldn't find it, possibly making this story a racist smear campaign as well. There is even the "White man's burden" argument where China's human rights record had something to do with pirating the latest movies (the irony here is that Chinese citizens can freely copy any movie they like while you couldn't). Guess, even among geeks there are hypocrites, racists and bigots.

    1. Re:China is the new Arabs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I appreciate an Arab friend defending my country, I think to say "China is now the fashionable country to hate" is too much of an exaggeration. A few years ago I had to bring up Charles Dickens to remind Americans of some of their lesser known history, now you can see many posters here are aware of that instance and seem to understand China more.

      "they're stealing our jobs/innovations/money"

      I actually think piracy is the new opium to us. I think we are clever enough to be able to create our own software industry. Piracy kills our own innovations too and poisons people's mind, because they can steal things and get away with it.

      "their culture is a debased/derivative of our own superior culture"

      That's kinda puzzling. What I've heard most often is the two cultures are very different and no one seems to say one is derived from another.

      P.S. post as AC for I moderated.

  11. Re:apple blocked software that China GOV made by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps it has something to do with lower wages and greater acceptance of pirate/fake goods in China. Compared to a Chinese company's iPad clone that comes with loads of free/pirate software and costs 1/5th as much the iPad doesn't look so good once you remove the stigma of piracy and cheaper Chinese goods.

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  12. Re:apple blocked software that China GOV made by vadim_t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Precisely. That's the same way I see the iPad and similar devices.

    If I bought it, I own it, therefore any keys to be had must be mine. Anything else is unacceptable.