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Colleges May Start Forcing Switch To eTextbooks

An anonymous reader writes "Here's the new approach under consideration by college leaders and textbook manufacturers: 'Colleges require students to pay a course-materials fee, which would be used to buy e-books for all of them (whatever text the professor recommends, just as in the old model).' That may be 'the best way to control skyrocketing costs and may actually save the textbook industry from digital piracy,' proponents claim."

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  1. Students will complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Currently, students at most universities aren't required to buy textbooks. They can borrow them at the library (frequently on reserve) and save money (at the cost of time and convenience). I can't see this working without some opt-out mechanism at the very least.

    1. Re:Students will complain by zeugma-amp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This will also kill the used book market.

      That's the idea.

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    2. Re:Students will complain by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Something ye forgot:

      YOU CAN'T RESELL E-TEXTS. When I was in college I used to buy books for about $50 used, get my work out of it, and then sell it for $40 at the end of semester. NET COST: $10.

      Now this e-text idea will prevent us from doing that. It will end-up costing MORE not less.

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  2. Just a way to kill the used book market... by RocketRabbit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The irony of this proposal is that many professors, realizing that book prices are just obscene in the academic market, are preparing their own materials and giving them to the students for the cost of printing them.

    This is clearly just an attempt by the textbook marketers to kill the secondhand book sellers.

    As my wife says, "calculus has not changed much in the last 6 years, but my textbook has gone through 3 revisions in that time!"

    1. Re:Just a way to kill the used book market... by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is exactly right. Somehow the fine article proposes "saving the textbook industry" as something we'd actually want to do. The textbook industry adds no value to your education. All value comes from the university. The best thing for everyone, student, professor, parent, or administrator is for the textbook industry to die and be replaced by online, collaborative, peer reviewed textbooks. The textbook publishing industry adds no value, and is nothing but a parasite on the education industry.

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    2. Re:Just a way to kill the used book market... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In what way? Not being flippant, I'm genuinely unsure as to what about calculus has changed in the last 50 years.

      I believe the GP was arguing that it's not calculus itself that has gotten easier, but rather the presentation, rigor, etc. in the way it is taught.

      Aside from the use of calculators, mathematical software and such, which is not insignificant, calculus itself is not easier.

      I learned calculus (not too long ago actually) from Tom Apostol's text, which pulls no punches in terms of mathematical rigor and formalism. Not proofs for the sake of proofs, mind you, but formalism that demonstrates the power of calculus and helps you to understand how it works.

      The reason I was taught that way was because I chose to take a calculus sequence intended for math majors, though. At my institution, fifty years ago, everyone learned from a book like Apostol (perhaps another text, dumbed down slightly).

      Today, textbooks are often about case study problems, using your graphing calculator, etc. I'm not arguing that this is necessarily a bad thing, but it has shifted the focus away from rigorous formalism (which most students have more trouble with) and to types of problems and methods of solution that are, on the whole, easier and simpler. The overall content is still there, but the presentation and methodology is, I think, more user-friendly to many students.

  3. I'm guessing it's not about cost control, really. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They just want a more effective way to shut used-textbook merchants out of the market so they can more fully exploit their students.

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  4. I expect the following: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Book prices will still remain close to $100.
    You'll lose your right to resell your old books.
    Accessibility for us disabled folks will be an artificial extra cost, to satisfy the imaginary property brigade who think text-to-speech isn't a right.

  5. Textbooks are a total scam by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By the time I was in grad school at GaTech, undergraduate courses were spinning revs every quarter, and the only thing that would change would be the problems. This eliminated the book buy-back market almost entirely, because profs of course would require problems from the book.

    Undergrad level calc has not changed in the last 20 years. There's no reason someone shouldn't be able to use a calc book handed down from a parent or older sibling. Yet, term after term, every student is nearly compelled to spend $140 on a new book.

    It's no wonder our educational system from cradle to PhD is a complete failure. Institutions are too focused on productizing and profiteering rather than growing the world's best talent.

    1. Re:Textbooks are a total scam by IICV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about we stop caring if students just copy the right answer from somewhere on their homework? It's a participation grade anyway - the goal of homework isn't for the student to take some questions home and return one day with the answer (that's what grad school is for), the goal is for the student to spend some time thinking about the problems and trying to work them out; ideally successfully but the important part is the thinking and working, not having a correct answer. If the student really wants to know what the solutions are and how to work them out, they'll come in to discussion section or office hours (or lecture!).

      And if the student is the sort of person who just copies the right answers from somewhere, then he's fucked for the quizzes, midterms and finals anyway.

      Basically, we care waaaay too much about whether or not people have correct answers on homework. It's like grading a weight training class on how far up people can lift their weights, and then complaining that some people use a crane - that's your own damn fault for losing sight of the fact that the metric is not the goal in and of itself. Those people will fail during the final anyway (when you have to wrestle a grizzly bear).

  6. Bullshit... by nebaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We are not paying all that money just for the textbook material, we are paying for the knowledge of the professors, and the shared experience with other people. Putting additional restrictions on the materials themselves for profit goes against the entire ethos of open information sharing, which is the cornerstone of university research.

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  7. eBooks vs. Used Books by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    e-Books are generally DRM-controlled to the extent that students can't sell them as used textbooks. This actually increases the price over paper books in most situations.

  8. Re:Victom of eTextbook by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh no not typos!

    Once is a typo. Twice is not knowing how to spell the word.

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  9. Re:I expect the following: by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Book prices will still remain close to $100.
    You'll lose your right to resell your old books.

    A bigger issue is that you lose the right to retain your textbooks. Given rapid edition changes, the right to resell was often of limited value and theoretical anyway; OTOH, most of the people I know kept many of their textbooks and occasionally reference them even a decade or more after leaving school; during high school, one of the ways I learned things outside of school was from my fathers old college texts.