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Electric Car Goes 375 Miles On One 6-Minute Charge

thecarchik writes with this quote from AllCarsElectric: "We all know that battery packs are the weakest link in electric vehicles. Not only are they heavy and expensive, but they take a long time to recharge and on average can only provide around 100 miles per charge. A German-based company has changed all that with a new vehicle capable of driving up to 375 miles at moderate highway speeds. ... It doesn't end there. The company responsible for the battery pack, DBM Energy, claims a battery pack efficiency of 97 percent and a recharge time of around 6 minutes when charged from a direct current source. Unlike the small Daihatsu which was heavily modified by a team in Japan earlier this year that achieved a massive 623 miles on a charge at around 27 mph, the Audi A2 modified by DBM Energy was able to achieve its 375 miles range at an average speed of 55 mph."

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  1. How long does it last? by rossdee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many charge-discharge cycles will this battery last, and how expensive is it?

    1. Re:How long does it last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do people struggle with this? To provide the charging current needed to charge in 6 minutes, all you need is a charging station that is topped up by the grid but uses a large battery (of batteries). The peak current to charge the car is taken care off by the batteries and the average daily usage at the station is supplied by the grid.

      Similarly, you could have a small charging station at home that consists of a battery similar to what is in the car and a trickle top up system that take 24 hours or more to charge off the low current house supply.

      No rocket (or nuclear) science needed!

    2. Re:How long does it last? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Now to totally suck the humour out of that post:
      Call it 1GW output for a reasonably sized nuclear plant. A reasonable estimate for the efficiency of an electric car (according to Wikipedia) is about 15kWh/100km; after converting to more usable units, the 600km capacity means the battery holds 324MJ. A 6 minute charge time gives a 900kW transfer rate, or about 1,100 users per nuclear power station.

    3. Re:How long does it last? by blueg3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It takes 4-6 hours to use up that energy, though -- assuming you're constantly driving. That gives you far more users per power station -- just a peak capacity of 1100.

    4. Re:How long does it last? by AGMW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ok, let's say those figures are correct. Now let's assume that the average nuke plant has about 25% of it's output used for other means - a conservative estimate. That means we're down to 825 cars. ...

      That means we're down to 825 cars for any given 6 minute period. There are 240 such "6 minute periods" per day, so if everyone with one of these cars religiously (fully) charged the muthers every day there'd be capacity for approx 200000 cars (198000 actually, but we're using wet finger math(s) so please forgive the rounding up). We could easily halve that number and still be happy with 100000 EV's in a city!

      Let's now assume that those 825 people don't drive 375 miles every day, so don't have to have their 6 minutes in the sun every day. My daily commute was somewhere in the region of 60 miles (30 each way), suggesting that those car owners may only be charging up once a week? (as per my Electric MGF friend) ... so could we have 500000 EV's now? :-)

      Let's also assume that whilst it is possible to charge in 6 mins it can also be done overnight and there may be some cost-benefit and/or battery life benefit for doing so ...

      If we also factor in the concepts bandied about where such EVs are left connected to the grid and the grid can request power to be fed back into the grid to smooth out demand spikes (with suitable payments to the EV owner, and the proviso that the vehicle will retain an owner specified charge sufficient to drive it - though with the 6 min quick charge that might be less of a problem anyway!) ...

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    5. Re:How long does it last? by tom17 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if there is a device that would only allow electricity to pass in one direction. If there was, I could envision a small array of these devices set up in a kind of diamond pattern, such that AC going in could end up as DC coming out. Granted, the DC would still have the peaks and troughs of the AC, but maybe that could be 'smoothed' out with some kind of intermediate electricity 'buffer' if there is such a thing.

      Interesting.

  2. Re:Charging station? by srjh · · Score: 5, Informative

    What does the charging station use? Is it ultracapacitors?

    Also, last time I checked both Germany, Japan and pretty much the rest of the planet used the metric system, so:

    Oh, come on, now you're being unfair. It's not the rest of the planet, Liberia and Myanmar are also yet to adopt the metric system. Sheesh.

  3. Re:Power required to charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know anyone with a gasoline pump at their house either.

    It is a mystery how people are able to drive cars without running out of fuel.

  4. House Battery Swapping by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    battery pack efficiency of 97 percent and a recharge time of around 6 minutes when charged from a direct current source

    Solar photovoltaic and fuel cells generate direct current. Usually they go through an inverter, that loses 10-25% of the energy (as heat, and burns out the part for replacement about every 5 years). A battery like this would mean keeping that energy without losing it. Leaving a battery charging at home while driving the car around, then swapping it into the car when the car returns home - or reverse the positions for batteries charging at work or at whatever daytime destination. That battery can also power household devices, like the many devices that really consume DC, which waste power running from wall current into rectifiers.

    This kind of device could improve not only transit energy, but also residential (and commercial sites that reverse the locations).

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  5. Re:Power required to charge? by Spoke · · Score: 5, Informative

    From what I've been able to dig up, the battery pack holds about 115 kWh.

    In any case, your typical EV these days goes about 4 kWh/mile, which matches up nicely with their 375 mile trip.

    So if you want to fill the car with 100 kWh in 6 minutes, you'd need about 1000 kW (ignoring charging losses).

    Your typical house in the USA has 240V service with a main panel size ranging between 100A-200A - or 24-48 kW. There is no way you're charging this battery in a short amount of time at home unless you use some sort of buffer.

    Your typical EV today uses a Level 2 J1772 EVSE - of which the J1772 specification will handle up to 240V AC at 80A or 19 kW. But the first mass produced EVs on the market (the Leaf/Volt) will only be able to charge at 3.3 kW or so using that standard.

    The Tesla Roadster can charge at up to 19 kW, but still uses a slightly different plug (Tesla came before the J1772 standard, but existing Roadsters are expected to be converted over).

    "Gas" stations to sustain Level 3 charging (meaning anything that spits out high current DC) are currently being deployed with chargers that will push out a max of 50 kW or so. The Leaf will be the first car to use those chargers and can charge it's 24 kW pack to 80% in 20-30 minutes.

    I suspect that some sort of local battery buffer will be needed in most locations to support 1000 kW chargers - or you'll need to be very close to electrical substations and transmission lines.

  6. stolen from the comments of TFA by wealthychef · · Score: 5, Informative

    Translated from this page: http://adacemobility.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/das-wunder-von-berlin/#more-744
    "Technical Data Audi A2 DBM *
    * Subject
    Empty weight (including driver) 1260 kg
    Perm. Total weight 1600 kg
    Battery lithium-iron-polymer (260 Ah/380 V) cell voltage of 3.8 volts
    Battery weight about 300 kg
    Charging time about 4 hours due to mains phase current in the household (380)
    battery requires 6 minutes (future solution)
    Life time 2500 charge cycles (without loss of capacity)
    = Service life target: 500,000 km
    Top speed 160 km / h
    5-speed sequential gearbox (race gear: shifting without the clutch)
    E-motor 300 Nm torque"
    So, the 6 minute charge is future/theoretical limits of the battery. The actual time is 4 hours; which is still very impressive.
    Sincerely, Neil

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  7. Re:Finally looking practical... by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The planet doesn't give a damn. It's us who are fucked.

  8. Re:When can I buy one? by blueg3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The core engineering require to build a proof-of-concept prototype is a small fraction of the engineering work necessary to put it into readily-available, commercial products.