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Fun With an Induction Cooktop?

fishfrys writes "Besides generating heat quickly and efficiently in ferromagnetic pans, what sorts of fun things can you do with an induction cooktop? This seems like a pretty serious piece of electromagnetic equipment — boiling water can't be the only thing it's good for. I went to YouTube, expecting to find all sorts of crazy videos of unsafe induction cooktop shenanigans, but found only cooking. What sort of exciting, if not stupid, physics experiments can be performed with one? Hard drive scrubber? DIY Tesla coil? There's got to be something."

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  1. make aluminum foil burn by RealBorg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that's what i have found so far. normally you cannot use aluminum on an induction cooktop, probably because a thick layer of aluminum is equally as conductive as the copper inductor in the cooktop, however a thin layer of aluminum can be brought to hover itself away from the cooktop and / or begin to glow if held in place. my cooktop took no damage from trying this but of course - don't try this at home

    1. Re:make aluminum foil burn by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Informative

      For much the same reason - 'magnetic stainless' is typically said to be OK for induction cooking, and 'non-magnetic' not.

      This is due to the 'skin depth' (look at wikipedia) being thinner in magnetic materials.

      This means that in both steel and iron pans, which are magnetic, in addition to the high resistance of the pan material, the electricity doesn't go very deeply, so it's only passing through a thin skin of the pan.

      However - with very thin containers, non-magnetic stainless works just fine.
      I regularly heat up a large (non-magnetic) stainless washing up bowl that's maybe 0.5mm thick on my induction cooker.

      Any thicker and it doesn't work.

      My favourite utensil to use with it is actually a cheap 0.8mm or so thick steel wok.

      Heats up in seconds, and once seasoned, is quite non-stick.

      My second favourite is a large steel plate 6mm thick, again seasoned.

    2. Re:make aluminum foil burn by i.am.delf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Once upon a time I worked in a metal foundry. There people used induction furnaces to melt all sorts of alloys for castings. Skin depth is key. If you have tiny skin depth in your material it will take forever for something interesting to happen. Step 1 find an insulating container which will not burn. Glass can work(assuming your metal melts before the glass does) or ceramic is better. Place fun things in it like steel wool. Turn on the coil. Be astounded by steel wool. Aluminum cans are thin enough to melt, but be cautious they can ignite in air and if they do you can be poisoned or otherwise injured by the alumina.

      I think it might be fun to use a thin metal implement in a glass bowl to cook something from a hot rod.

    3. Re:make aluminum foil burn by Prune · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh, first of all, alumina is not toxic to humans as it's quite an inert material (as are many other inorganic oxides in general). It's only dangerous in physical terms if you inhale a quantity of very fine powder. Second, you don't need induction heating to be amazed by steel wool. If you spread it out (reduce the density so it has lots of air within its volume) it is fairly easy to light with a torch and it looks a bit like fireworks.

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  2. Induction Heating of Block Ice = Glowing Red Hot I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember seeing induction heating used to make a block of ice glow red hot.

    http://videosift.com/video/Induction-Heating-of-Block-Ice-Glowing-Red-Hot-Ice

    Apparently it heats the trace amounts iron inside the ice so this only works with tap water. Not really sure if it would work with an iduction stove top though. Worth a try.

  3. Try whatever you got in the house. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Try some unexploded WW2 shells, some walmart bullets, a kid with braces. An arm with a tattoo. A hamster that ingested iron shavings. You were looking for unsafe and stupid things to try, right?

    1. Re:Try whatever you got in the house. by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

      unexploded WW2 shells, some walmart bullets, a kid with braces. An arm with a tattoo. A hamster that ingested iron shavings.

      Raindrops on roses. Whiskers on kittens. Bright copper kettles. Warm woolen mittens. Brown paper packages tied up with strings.

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  4. Re:Lightbulb by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a nerd site. We like to investigate, determine, build and generally fiddle.
    The real question is "Why is a boring muggle like you even doing here?"

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  5. remote iPhone volume control by guorbatschow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last time I used my induction stove to cook water for noodles, I put the power to max, all the while listening to music on my iphone via headphones. You know, those standard apple headphones with microphone and volume controls. Right when I put the power to max, the music went off. Turns out the volume was set to minimum. So I tried to restore the volume via touch controls, but it went to minimum immediately, again. I already had experience with malfunctioning apple headphones (cable short-circuit) so I unplugged them, which helped. Then I noticed that the proximity to the cooktop had an effect. Apparently the induction pattern induced the same signal in the headphone cables that a volume down would produce...

    Anybody with a Bosch induction stove and an iPhone/iPod should try to confirm this.

    1. Re:remote iPhone volume control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In truth it was the AI in the stove commenting on your taste in music. Try it without the Celine Dion next time.

    2. Re:remote iPhone volume control by geekoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      get a magnet near the headphone wires, and you can control the device.

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  6. Producing high voltages isn't going to work. by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Induction cooktops operate at a frequency of a few tens of kilohertz. Using it to excite a Tesla coil probably can't be made to work, at least, not with a reasonable number of turns on your secondary coil. The coil under the surface of the cooktop has a large number of turns.

    (To step up voltage, you want a few turns on the primary, and many times as many turns on the secondary.)

    1. Re:Producing high voltages isn't going to work. by Technician · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Using the coil from a monitor flyback transformer with the powdered iron core removed, the secondary often will have it's voltage rating exceeded in a spectacular display. Be sure to use lots of ventilation.

      If you have several old dead monitors, you have a source of these.

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    2. Re:Producing high voltages isn't going to work. by Technician · · Score: 2, Informative

      A Tesla coil works by a very high primary pulse of current and then it ringing in a LC tank at the same frequency the resonant secondary is. Most inductive cooktops have no tuning to match the resonant frequency of the secondary. Most Tesla coils work on higher resonant frequency than the cooktops due to the nature of the secondary.

      One is a non resonant shorted turn and low impedance. The other is high Q and resonant over a very narrow frequency range. Outside of resonance, it is high impedance.

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    3. Re:Producing high voltages isn't going to work. by Prune · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is why Tesla coils seem a lousy way to get high voltage. I've bought not-too-large 250 kV transformers from industrial portable X-ray machine power supply on eBay previously and you can chain a few together (in an oil tank, of course) to get in the megavolt range--at significantly higher _continuous_ power levels than with a Tesla coil of the same size. TCs are way oversized for what they accomplish.

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  7. Re:So's a Microwave, but... by goodmanj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A microwave oven's power source is not a maser, just like an incandescent light bulb is not a laser.

    If you don't understand the distinction, PLEASE don't open up your microwave and try to make a death ray.

  8. Re:Lightbulb by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tanenbaum would have said "Holy fuck! A talking Linux!"

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  9. Re:Induction Heating of Block Ice = Glowing Red Ho by skids · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Neat. I imagine their are potential lithography applications. Or you could just inject a BB into an egg and cook it from the inside out for the ultimate in runny whites.

  10. Re:Lightbulb by tophermeyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can we just go ahead and get a "-1, Goatse" mod option?

  11. Re:This looks like a job for--Mythbusters! by SEWilco · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Create a myth about induction cooktops.

  12. Re:Lightbulb by alta · · Score: 2, Informative

    WARNING DO NOT CLICK GOATSE

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  13. Mine goes up to 11 ... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Informative

    My stove has levels that go up to 11. It's from Functionica. Whenever I get a visit from someone from the US, who has seen Spinal Tap, I show it to them and they laugh their asses off.

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    1. Re:Mine goes up to 11 ... by Idiomatick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My stove has a button to 'STOP TIME'! Top that!

  14. Re:Lightbulb by by+(1706743) · · Score: 3, Informative

    Can we just go ahead and get a "-1, Goatse" mod option?

    Perhaps we could get /. to display the dereferenced URL instead of bit.ly, etc. -- hardly rocket science (don't click on any of these, obviously...):

    user@host:~$ wget -O /dev/null http://bit.ly/d9LffL 2>&1 | grep -o 'http[^ ]*'
    http://bit.ly/d9LffL
    http://goatse.fr/
    http://goatse.fr/

  15. Re:water balloon by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not really.

    There is no 'safety mechanism' as such that stops it heating hands.

    The coil can safely be energised with no load.
    It won't get too hot, or anything, and it won't noticably heat your hand, or a duck, or anything non-metallic.

    (well, it would heat graphite blocks and such, but that's cheating).

    The reason for the device not turning on with no load is to prevent it heating up forks and other metallic implements that have been placed on the surface.

    www.st.com/stonline/books/pdf/docs/12443.pdf

  16. Re:Lightbulb by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    2 things:
    1) Asking is how you find a place to start. When I want to create with electronics, I don't do mine copper.

    2) Presuming you meant Linus, he asked several people about how to create a kernel. He was taught a foundation of computer science.

    Do you think Linus that created a kernel with no knowledge? having never asked an computer science questions?

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  17. Re:Lightbulb by Mikkeles · · Score: 2, Funny

    'Imagine if Linux[sic] would have asked Tanenbaum on how to make a good kernel.'

    We might have got a good kernel.

    (Sorry, I couldn't resist)

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  18. Re:Here's one by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > ...with minor tweaks you could make one hell of a HERF weapon out of one...

    Not likely. These things operate at about 27KHz. On the other hand, you might be able to generate a couple of kilowatts of ultrasound by fabricating a "speaker cone" from a resonant metal disk and some magnets and use it to curdle your brain.

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  19. Re:Here's one by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen induction heating used to temper truck axles, among other things.

    I saw it used in the manufacture of commutators for starter motors:
      - Copper bar bent into circle.
      - Induction heat to orange in about 5 seconds, to weld the joint and take the stresses out of it. Result: Stress-free donut.
      - Smash the donut into shape (segmented hollow top-hat) with dies.
      - Mold plastic into it - to support it and make an insulated press-fit for the shaft).
      - Saw the segments apart.

    I've been trying to figure out how to make slip rings for a windmill. Seems like bending, welding, and annealing a copper bar would do the trick. And an induction hot plate ought to be just the ticket for the welding/annealing step.

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  20. Re:Induction Heating of Block Ice = Glowing Red Ho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a triangular piece of metal in the ice. It's a demonstration by Huettinger, a manufacturer of induction heaters.

    http://www.huettinger.com/en/about-us/multimedia.html

    I think water would flash to steam before you got it to glow. Unless it was under enormous pressure I suppose.

  21. Re:Lightbulb by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thanks, but at least provide a full list of things you shouldn't do with goatse:

    • Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly, and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to goatse.
    • Caution: Goatse may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
    • Goatse contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.
    • Do not use goatse on concrete.
    • Discontinue use of Happy Fun Ball if any of the following occurs:
      • itching
      • vertigo
      • dizziness
      • tingling in extremities
      • loss of balance or coordination
      • slurred speech
      • temporary blindness
      • profuse sweating
      • heart palpitations
    • If goatse begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.
    • Goatse may stick to certain types of skin.
    • When not in use, goatse should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration. Failure to do so relieves the makers of goatse, Wacky Products Incorporated, and its parent company, Global Chemical Unlimited, of any and all liability.
    • Ingredients of goatse include an unknown glowing substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.
    • Goatse has been shipped to our troops in Saudi Arabia and is also being dropped by our warplanes on Iraq.
    • Do not taunt goatse.
  22. Re:water balloon by Psychofreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Blacksmith's induction forge: for the modern smith.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4xsqw463Hs

    Phil

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  23. user-side answer (w/ Greasemonkey) by KingAlanI · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/40582

    Here's a user-side answer in the form of a Greasemonkey script... /. could thereotically implement a bit of JS like that server-side (this works with a bunch of URL shorteners)

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  24. Re:Using it to wipe a harddrive? by dangitman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why would you need to? All hard drives have a self-wiping function if you wait long enough. With today's quality control standards, you usually don't have to wait very long.

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