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How Technology Gets the News Out of North Korea

itwbennett writes "Kim Dong-cheol is a North Korean with 'a double life,' writes the IDG News Service's Martyn Williams in a story on ITworld. 'In addition to his job as a driver for a company, Kim also works as a clandestine reporter for AsiaPress, a Japanese news agency that's taken advantage of the digital electronics revolution to get reports from inside North Korea,' says Williams. 'When we started training journalists in 2003 or 2004, getting cameras into North Korea was a real problem,' said Jiro Ishimaru, chief editor of the news agency, at a Tokyo news conference on Monday. 'Nowadays, within North Korea you are able to have your pick of Sony, Panasonic or Samsung cameras.' The images they're capturing are 'often startling,' and it 'documents a side of the country the government doesn't want the world to see,' says Williams."

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  1. Samsung? by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Noticed they mentioned Samsung... I wonder why N. Korea is allowing S. Korean brands to be sold. Any ideas?

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    1. Re:Samsung? by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Informative

      As opposed to Japanese brands?
      I suggest you read some history of Korea.

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    2. Re:Samsung? by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah good point. And yeah, black market is my guess. Still though, probably pretty risky for someone to go around taking pictures with one of these cameras.

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    3. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      How about because they have had joint economic development for years at a special economic zone, perhaps?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaesong_Industrial_Region

    4. Re:Samsung? by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's sold legally, they probably cover up the word Samsung and replace it with a fake North Korean brand name.

      They've done the same thing before, for example their trolley system was allegedly "built in North Korea" despite the fact that it was several decades old and covered in German graffiti.

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    5. Re:Samsung? by jojoba_oil · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm hesitant to post this; but here goes...

      Despite the history of Korea being kicked around by the rest of Asia, there are many unofficial ties between DPRKorea and Japan. Whole communities of rich Juche supporters live in Japan. Even the official news outlet (Korea Central News Agency) runs under a jp domain...

      As for my hesitancy: Outside of the obtuse one-liners, the standard Western person (and most news media) seems to be completely uninterested in that region, yet still feels that they should analyze and report on the situation.

    6. Re:Samsung? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Despite the history of Korea being kicked around by the rest of Asia, there are many unofficial ties between DPRKorea and Japan. Whole communities of rich Juche supporters live in Japan. Even the official news outlet (Korea Central News Agency) runs under a jp domain...

      There is a really great japanese movie called "Go" about a teenage zainichi growing up in the north korean ex-pat community in Japan. Really a top-notch coming of age story and I thought it was pretty accessible to western sensibilities too, although there was a sense of being "dropped" into the middle of the culture with little explanation of many of the basics that any japanese person would probably just automatically be familiar with.

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    7. Re:Samsung? by God'sDuck · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...for example their trolley system was allegedly "built in North Korea" despite the fact that it was several decades old and covered in German graffiti.

      By "German graffiti" I assume you mean, "German praises to Our Dear Leader by the Western pig-dogs who were so amazed when they visited the best trolley factory in the world that they were moved to paint their awe upon the trolley cars as a never-ending testimony."

  2. This really is more than I need to know. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really do we need to know how this is done? I am hoping this is a red heiring and that they are using other methods to get the SD cards out.

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    1. Re:This really is more than I need to know. by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Informative

      TFA mentions that there are already patrols near the border trying triangulate the mobile phones transmitting the images into China: I think the secret is out on -how- they do it.

    2. Re:This really is more than I need to know. by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am hoping this is a red heiring

      A communist inheritance?

  3. Re:Kim who? by Nimey · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA says that this is a pseudonym.

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  4. Chinese cell phones by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The interesting part is that they use Chinese cellphone networks, which leak into North Korea at the border, to get the videos out. (The Burmese opposition also does that, connecting to Bengladeshi networks.)

    I wonder why China lets that happen, as it would be trivial for them to ban any data coverage in this area and/or report any suspicious activity to the North Korean authorities. Maybe it's a way for them to put some pressure on their North Korean "ally", which has become somewhat of an embarrasment to them lately.

    If cell phone coverage goes down, they could still use carrier pigeons to send Flash drives to China or South Korea...

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    1. Re:Chinese cell phones by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder why China lets that happen, as it would be trivial for them to ban any data coverage in this area and/or report any suspicious activity to the North Korean authorities. Maybe it's a way for them to put some pressure on their North Korean "ally", which has become somewhat of an embarrasment to them lately.

      Maybe they use it as a cheap and easy way to get their own information out of the country?

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    2. Re:Chinese cell phones by Notquitecajun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I doubt that "morals" enter into it when you're talking about the Chinese government. More than likely, North Korea is a GIANT liability, and they are more or less passively pushing to draw North Korea into the real world slowly so that they don't have to waste resources keeping it afloat. The Chinese won't actively promote revolution or anything there, but they won't suppress anything against Kim Jong "license to" Il or his government there, either.

    3. Re:Chinese cell phones by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The last thing China wants is to have the North Korean government collapse and create a refugee situation where hundreds of thousands of uneducated, dirt poor, and starving people come streaming across the border. I doubt the Chinese government like the North Korean government any more than the rest of the world, but at least with the government functioning they're keeping their problems to themselves for the most part.

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    4. Re:Chinese cell phones by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is correct. China doesn't want a conflict with the US or Japan because they know they will take huge military and economic loses. Trade is what made China strong for hundreds of years and military conflicts with the West made it weak.

      However they made a pledge to stand by North Korea decades ago and they will not dishonor themselves by turning their back on North Korea now.

      They don't know the DPRK to totally collapse because that would lead to a refuge crisis the likes of which the world hasn't seen since the Second World War ended.

      I'm sure the "official" PRC spies from the "Interest Sections" in the PRC embassy have sat phones but unofficial PRC agents and paid informers use this ad hoc cell phone leak to get data out.

    5. Re:Chinese cell phones by Terminaldogma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most likely because China could care less. Contrary to the image China projects about being best friends with North Korea, they are pretty much as sick as NK as the rest of the world. China has lost billions in investments to NK, and if you've ever lent $20 to someone and never had it paid back, you can begin to imagine how they feel. That being said, China does actively enforce the border, but there is a myriad of different political reasons for this. The "legal" reason is that they have pacts with North Korea in relation to this issue (hence why escaping NK aren't granted refugee status by China). Some of the other reasons include the fact that many Chinese citizens are just as paranoid about North Koreans coming across and taking Chinese jobs as Americans are about Mexico. Others have already replied to your thread and also pointed out that other reasons may include China have an equal investment in getting information out. China probably isn't interested in the trade aspect so much, as it's entirely black market and therefore next to impossible to regulate. Unfortunately I don't have an direct citations to back up the above, but I am basing most of my information off of "Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea" by Barbara Demick. It's an excellent read. Most people try and draw parallels to first world countries with 1984, but the sad truth is North Korea could be considered source material.

    6. Re:Chinese cell phones by denobug · · Score: 5, Funny

      If cell phone coverage goes down, they could still use carrier pigeons to send Flash drives to China or South Korea...

      Well sir we are talking about a impoverished nation here. Are you sure the pigeons would survived without being hunt down and eaten before it crossed the border?

    7. Re:Chinese cell phones by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well sir we are talking about a impoverished nation here. Are you sure the pigeons would survived without being hunt down and eaten before it crossed the border?

      Moderated as funny, but it is serious. I knew a girl who immigrated from a dirt-poor town in the chinese boondocks. She told me that in her town there were no pets, because they had all been eaten for food. North Korea seems to be even more impoverished than that.

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    8. Re:Chinese cell phones by oatworm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To put this into American terms, consider the situation in Mexico, how that affects immigration patterns, and how the border states are "appreciating" that. Now, consider what the situation in the border states would be like if most of Mexico was starving and the Mexican government collapsed completely. Now, imagine if your per-capita GDP was about a third of what it is currently, with most people over the age of 40 having "fond memories" of that "glorious" time when your entire country went off an economic cliff and attempted to be an authoritarian agricultural society.

      And that's the China-North Korea situation in a nutshell. I'm on a horse.

    9. Re:Chinese cell phones by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Scarily enough, a lot of North Koreans are poor by rural Chinese dirt farmer standards.

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  5. Re:Kim who? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kim, is close to the 'average' nature of a name like Smith in Korea.

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  6. Re:Kim who? by Peristaltic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a "local expectation" that in a totalitarian state, there exists a reasonable chance that if they want him, he will eventually be identified, generic name or not.

  7. Re:does anyone really care about NK? by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To answer your question - yes. Lots of us care about North Korea.

    It does suck to feel pretty helpless for the most part though there are a number of avenues available to help in small ways. Humans are a varied bunch in a number of ways and while you have one view point, many hold others.

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  8. Re:Western spin by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Starving to death is so under-rated.

    And everything you list as being a cause of the problems of North Korea, other than geographic location are due to the dictatorship.

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  9. Probably why they let it happen by MikeRT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    North Korea is very opaque, even for China and Russia. China can only go so far in assessing the state of North Korea through its official channels (even if they attach intel officers to their diplomatic mission). It's not like Chinese agents can mingle with the rest of society in North Korea like they could, if posing as "immigrant workers" or "tourists" in South Korea or Japan. This helps them get additional, cheap information.

  10. Re:Western spin by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A place with no advertisements, no light pollution, and few cars sounds good to me.

    The dictatorship is bad, but the economic situation is caused by bad location in the globe, lack of innovation to improve farming/manufacturing, corruption, and bad trading.

    Are you fucking serious?

    Let me give you just one example. A doctor goes to NK to treat cataracts using a simple procedure. He cures the blindness of a hundred people in one sitting. When they take the bandages off, the first thing they do when they can see is rush past the doctor to worship the pictures of the Dear Leader and the Great General and thank them for the gift of sight. Of course, that's what they have to do in the presence of the authorities or any cameras whose contents are likely to be viewed by the authorities.

    NK is a tin pot hereditary dictatorship, it is a necrocracy with a dead man as its head of state. It is a surreal world that shows what happens when absolute power gets into the hands of an unstable lunatic. Its people are the most oppressed in the modern world.

    "Bad location in the globe" my trunks. It's within easy trading distance of Japan on one side and China on the other.

    Jesus wept!

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  11. Re:Western spin by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

    A place with no advertisements, no light pollution, and few cars sounds good to me.

    There are plenty of free caves in the mountains.

    The dictatorship is bad, but the economic situation is caused by bad location in the globe

    As opposed to South Korea? And other surrounding states?

    lack of innovation to improve farming/manufacturing, corruption, and bad trading.

    Gee, this couldn't possibly have to do anything with the dictatorship of some inane guy...

  12. Re:Western spin by Notquitecajun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except there's a SOUTH Korea with a rather NICE economic situation, plenty of innovation, a bit cleaner government, and booming trade. It's not all that far.

  13. Re:does anyone really care about NK? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, with the "I can't" attitude, you're right. But if you stopped thinking individually, instead more along the lines of "We can't" - then you'd be lying, because there is a lot that we can do together.

    The reason why people make these videos and images isn't so that 1 person on the other side of the border can feel sympathy and try to revolutionize everythings - its for massive appeal to as many people as possible, so that a large group of people might undertake humanitarian efforts.

    But - I mean, go ahead with that attitude. Does anyone really care about you? I mean, I've hardly interacted with you, but there isn't anything I can do to change your mind, you aren't a priority. In fact - I can't do anything about anything my own country - my one vote is drowned by millions of others, my recycling efforts are negated by others negligance, and even my job is so replacable by someone else that my contributions to society are really nothing.

    If you don't feel particularily humanitarian about something - like you don't want to help the North Koreans, that's absolutely fine. Freedom of opinion. But don't parade it under the guise that "I would if I could".

  14. Re:Kim who? by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

    I sure hope there is no one ACTUALLY named Kim Dong-cheol then.

    North Korean secret police: Are you Kim Dong-cheol?
    KDC: Yes sir, but not the one who is in this article!
    Police: Better safe than sorry, you get 12 years hard labor.
    KDC: I'm not a driver for any corporation! I don't have any cameras!
    Police: Well then 20 years for embarrassing dear leader!

  15. Re:Kim who? by wjousts · · Score: 3, Funny

    And, oddly, he's used at least 6 different faces and different accents, while keeping the same name.

  16. Re:does anyone really care about NK? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I care.

    Millions of people as slaves to a totalitarian monarchy and millions of men under arms destabilizing the entire region.

    If there was an opening of the DPRK, following the refugee crisis and 10-20 years of economic hardship for the Republic of Korea to bring the north into Third World status, the United States, Japan, and RoK would all be able to back forces from the brink of war, downsize military spending and remove a nuclear threat from the region.

    The US would be able to fold up an Army division, forward Marine base and most of an Air Force alone.

    Furthermore it would be one less thing where the US and Japan oppose the Russian Federation and People's Republic of China.

  17. Re:Kim who? by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The name was the important thing for inspiring the necessary fear. You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley...

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  18. Re:People appear to be starving in North Korea by santax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah but there is no oil there, so who gives a fuck.

  19. Re:Kim who? by AdamWill · · Score: 2, Funny

    yes, clearly that's the *biggest* plausibility issue with the James Bond franchise.

  20. Re:does anyone really care about NK? by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, the starvation is shocking to those of us with an iota of compassion.

    Also, some of the ridiculous follies of the government are just plain funny.

    Example A: the worlds ugliest permanently unfinished hotel.

    Example B: To save on electricity, traffic is directed by police, evidently only women and they only turn counterclockwise. I guess because dear leader only likes it when girls turn counterclockwise.

  21. I've Seen North Korea by bkmoore · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before the Iraq war, I was in South Korea. As a soldier, I obviously couldn't actually enter NK, but I have been on the DMZ. The first thing I noticed about NK is that there are no trees. South Korea has forests, but NK appears to be clear cut as far as the eye can see. The NK Guards have soviet-style costumes. If NK weren't so dangerous, the DMZ could pass for a set in a Steven Spielberg film. But the three things NK seems to have in abundance (at least as seen from the DMZ) are oversized flags, martialistic music and Guard Towers. From the DMZ, North Korea looks like the biggest prison in the world. I am glad someone is sneaking cameras into the country and recruiting journalists, because the world seems to be willfully ignorant about how bad the situation is in NK. Hopefully NK will eventually peacefully implode, like East Germany, but the Kim family and his Cronies are enriching themselves at the expense of the Korean People, so they probably won't go without a fight. Maybe we'll get lucky and the North Koreans will deal with the Kim family the same way the Romanians took care of the Ceauescu family.

    1. Re:I've Seen North Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a Romanian, I can tell you that it wasn't the Romanians who took care of them, although that was the general feeling in the West.

      The "good guy" in that particular situation was the KGB.

    2. Re:I've Seen North Korea by KingAlanI · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When a KGB agent is the good guy, you know the rest of the situation is f*cked up...

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    3. Re:I've Seen North Korea by Algan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a Romanian, I can tell you that I couldn't care less who was behind it, the guy got what he deserved.

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    4. Re:I've Seen North Korea by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was the Romanians who killed Ceausescu and his wife without any trial.

      It was authorized by the Extraordinary Military Tribunal, established by Ion Iliescu, head of the Council of the Front of National Salvation, and the execution was carried out by three elite paratroopers in the Romanian military, Captain Ionel Boeru, Sergant-Major Georghin Octavian and Dorin-Marian Cirlan.

      If you’re going to make the accusation that he and his wife were tried in a kangaroo court and murdered, at least put the blame on the people who actually did it instead of impugning the entire country of Romania.

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  22. shocking north korea video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3

    When I saw this, it changed my perception (in a bad way) of just how messed up north korea is.

  23. Re:Kim who? by Vintermann · · Score: 2, Funny

    So Kim Il Sung is a bit like ... Joseph Smith?

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  24. Re:does anyone really care about NK? by rlwhite · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, they fought for what they thought was a better life and were misled and betrayed by their leaders.

  25. Re:Kim who? by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Still, if the article is factually accurate with the information they give I wouldn't want to be the guy. They've got pictures from 3 different locations that the guy has been including pictures of people he's been in contact with. Now it seems that the pictures are careful to avoid landmarks and identifying features but a good, well equipped intelligence service would probably be able to identify him just based on the pictures and his stated occupation. North Korea's internal intelligence certainly has the practice, whether they have the data and equipment needed to do the analysis I don't know.

  26. Re:Kim who? by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Kim" is even more common a surname in Korea than "Smith" is in English-speaking countries,. It's held by about 1/5 of the population, and if you were to put all of the Kims, Lees, and Parks together, you'd have nearly half of all Koreans right there.

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  27. Re:does anyone really care about NK? by Cytotoxic · · Score: 2, Informative

    For more reporting on the opaque world that is North Korea, I recommend the Vice Guide to North Korea. Similar to the reporting in the article, this is a hand-held digital camera video documentary done without government approval, but told by a westerner with only officially approved access. Even so, he manages to convey some of the desolation that is the communist dictatorship. The presentation put on by his hosts in hopes of showing off the might of the North Korean state fully supports the reputation they've earned of being "crazy".

  28. Re:Western spin by oatworm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know you're either trolling or an incredibly dense American urban hipster with no grasp of self-awareness when you decide that "advertisements", "light pollution" and "cars" are infinitely worse than "starvation", "corruption", "bad trading", and "living under the iron-clad rule of a megalomaniac".

    You know what's worse than advertisements? Not being able to buy anything because there's nothing to buy. No food, no clothes, no nothing. You know what's worse than light pollution? Not being able to turn the lights on at night. You know what's worse than cars and traffic? An ox cart pulled by a malnourished ox that you're seriously considering turning into food this winter, even though the meat's tougher than nails and it means you'll have to pull your plow by hand next spring. But, hey, it's that or starve.

    But, hey, that fixie you were riding on before you posted your nonsense on this thread will totally come in handy in the Middle Ages-meets-zombie apocalypse world you have mapped out in your sociopathic head as an "ideal utopia" for your urban hipster douchebaggery. Good luck with that.

  29. Re:Western spin by Cytotoxic · · Score: 4, Informative

    For more "through the looking glass" reporting from North Korea, try the Vice Guide. Similar to Lisa Ling's reporting, but with a more bizarre bent. One must see on the insanity of the regime is the museum of "tribute" from foreign leaders. They've collected all of the stupid little chachkies that various diplomats brought from around the world - plates with state seals, porcelain stuff from the gift shop, whatever - and placed them in a huge under-ground bunker museum. The official position is that these are items of tribute from every leader around the world who recognize that "Dear Leader" is the greatest leader and North Korea is the greatest country. Really.

  30. Re:Western spin by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Life is such grand comedy. Alas, it's tragic, dark comedy...

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