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Soviet Image Editing Tool From 1987

nacturation writes "Three years before Photoshop 1.0 was released, computer engineers in the USSR were already retouching photographs using some surprisingly advanced technology. A video shows how the Soviets went about restoring damaged images with the help of rotary scanners, magnetic tape, and trackballs. No word on whether this technology was used to fake moon landings or put missiles in Cuba." Photo manipulation in the USSR (and elsewhere) had a pretty good jump on computers, though.

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  1. BT, DT by blair1q · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm pretty sure I was cutting and pasting and cropping and rotating images on uVAXen a couple of years before this.

    1. Re:BT, DT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Deluxe Paint preceded Photoshop 1.0 by 5 years...

    2. Re:BT, DT by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 2, Funny

      sounds more like he's outing himself as old.

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    3. Re:BT, DT by the_womble · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't believe it. Next you will try to tell me that Microsoft did not invent spreadsheets word-processors and windowing OSes.

  2. I would have been more impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But they were doing this stuff with deluxe paint on an Amiga in 1985.

  3. Re:I would assume the Chinese had the lead in that by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So THAT is how Kim Jong Il was able to be the doctor doing the delivery at his own birth!

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  4. [Insert Obligatory Soviet Russia Joke Here] by CdrGlork · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now the rest of you can concentrate on real, intelligent responses. Don't say I never took one for the team.

    1. Re:[Insert Obligatory Soviet Russia Joke Here] by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Soviet Russia the team takes one for you?

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  5. Er... yeah... and ? by MouseR · · Score: 3, Informative

    Earlier in the late 70s and early 80s, people around the globe used Crossfield and Hell drum scanners to retouch photos. Yeahs before computers were able to do it.

    I had pieces of a Hell drum scanner in my office in 1988 when I was building an image correction software to control it. By then, ImagePro had already been doing this for a couple of years, on computers.

  6. "Damaged" images. by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And they used it for "restoring damaged images". Yeah. Sure.

    Images that were "damaged," for example, by having Trotsky in them.

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    1. Re:"Damaged" images. by Quantus347 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And they used it for "restoring damaged images". Yeah. Sure.

      Images that were "damaged," for example, by having Trotsky in them.

      He has crazy eyes...

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    2. Re:"Damaged" images. by aekafan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, he did have crazy eyes. Fortunately, the icepick in the head solved that.

  7. DHMO Connection by Suki+I · · Score: 3, Funny

    The world's biggest killer, dihydrogen monoxide, is known in ultra-secret circles as a key ingredient in doctoring images.

  8. the real story by mschaffer · · Score: 5, Funny

    The real story is that the Soviets had clip art collections that made their job easier. This was years before clip-art was widely used in the West.
    People doctoring photos could choose from the "Still Popular Heroes of the Bolshevik Revolution" as well as "Accepted Images of our Beloved Leaders: Lenin through Gorbachev".
    What was little known at the time is that if you bought both sets, you would also get a free set "Communist Leaders of the world". This set had flattering pictures of Chaiman Mao, Fidel Castro, and Che Guevera.

    1. Re:the real story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Collect 'em all!

  9. from comments there by JustFisher · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not Soviet , it's French ! It's a PERICOLOR-1000 system with a software translated to Russian. They used to buy hardware and software in the West and change it a bit(translate) and present it as one developed internally in some scientific institute. Here is the discussion in Russian: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/history/107465/

    1. Re:from comments there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exactly. This is why I can speak Russian, in French. Stay thirsty my friends...

    2. Re:from comments there by NJRoadfan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The computer they are using to control it to the right is an Apple /// with what appears to be a standard Roman layout keyboard. The floppy sleeve is covering the logo, heavens forbid they show they are using Western technology! I don't think the Russians would have bothered to clone that machine (which arguably was about as reliable as anything the Soviets made), they did clone the Apple II series though.

  10. Re:I would assume the Chinese had the lead in that by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Chinese have the lead in a lot of things. And cadmium as well.

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  11. Photoshop 1.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    There were image manipulation before Photoshop?
    LIES!
    That the verb for doing image manipulation is 'to photoshop' should be proof enough! I mean OMGz LOL If teh wordz is to photoshop, how could you photoshop, before photoshop 1.0? with the beta release???!!!111oenenoene

    Seriously, kids, the shift of the millenium was not celebrated as the end of the stone age!

  12. In fact it is French PERICOLOR-1000 Software by Elixon · · Score: 5, Informative

    One of the Russian comments points out that the software is in fact French PERICOLOR-1000 translated to Russian.

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    1. Re:In fact it is French PERICOLOR-1000 Software by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Didn't the Russians pretty much steal everything computer-related from the Western countries at that time?

      The most famous software product from Russia, Tetris, was originally developed on a russian-made DEC PDP-11 clone.

      I also remember reading that pretty much all their mainframes were IBM OS-3xx clones.

      I'm sure they had sufficient skilled engineers in Russia to do it themselves, but why pay somebody to invent it, if you don't have to respect copyrights and patents and can just steal it?

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    2. Re:In fact it is French PERICOLOR-1000 Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It went both ways. I know a guy who worked on spy satellites for the Americans during that era. In one project, the contractor required a metal plate to be drilled with zillions (technical term) of microscopic holes. For what usage, I don't know and he won't say. What he will say is that the technology to drill the holes wasn't available in the United States. So they shipped the plate to a Russian firm who had a laser driller with the required capability, of course shunting it through dozens of shell corporations, third world countries, and who knows what else. The Russian took the plate and drilled it, then sent it back through the same convoluted path to the Americans, who then took it, installed it in their satellite and proceeded to use it to spy on the Russians. Good times.

    3. Re:In fact it is French PERICOLOR-1000 Software by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It was more complex.

      Russia had its own pretty advanced computer technology till 70-s. BESM ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BESM ) computers were on par with Western Bloc models and there were original developments like Setun' computer with ternary arithmetic ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setun ).

      Then came a 'bright' idea to partner with IBM. USSR actually paid for licenses for IBM hardware (IBM software was probably free at that time) so it was not pure piracy.

    4. Re:In fact it is French PERICOLOR-1000 Software by estestvoispytatel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Up to mid-60s there was some quite good domestic computers in the USSR, but almost all of the developing teams (spare some military projects) were switched to, well, copying of the three unified systems from the West, mainly because Politburo's dumbfucks were educated not enough to effectively direct and support R&D. You know, command economy has no natural feedback and very skewed competition.

    5. Re:In fact it is French PERICOLOR-1000 Software by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

      Didn't the Russians pretty much steal everything computer-related from the Western countries at that time?

      Well we stole Tetris and made billions on it, so it all worked out in the end.

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    6. Re:In fact it is French PERICOLOR-1000 Software by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is impossible, as everyone on slashdot knows that the USSR was incapable of matching up to the West in any area whatsoever, except vodka consumption.

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  13. Stalin was having people edited out for years... by crovira · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You'd be written in and out of the "history" books.

    Zinoviev died, and was written out.

    Trotski was murdered in Mexico, and was written out.

    Hundreds and thousands were written out of existence, their tombstones chiseled clean.

    That was one of the points in 1984.

    Control the books and you control the history of a people. Winston Smith job was working as a "redactor", part of the problem, even as he sought, and failed, to find a solution.

    People who could recite the history of the lottery numbers chosen at what date could be counted on not to remember that a partner one day was an enemy the next, basically Stalin's form of control, a paranoid/schizophrenic view of humanity where the "others" are all pawns to be played and discarded.(Saddam Hussein was a Stalinist in more ways that one.)

    The Gulags were filled with them, and ultimately the cemeteries were filled with imaginary adversaries, by the venial the opportunistic; the survivors who felt less shame at their survival than they felt for their victims.

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  14. What about Quantel? by gilesjuk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Quantel Paintbox beats them both, it was first launched in 1981!

    Quantel sued two companies, one of them being Adobe but didn't win the Adobe case, largely due to the existance of Superpaint, who's author testified in the case.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantel_Paintbox
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpaint

  15. Re:Stalin was having people edited out for years.. by AhabTheArab · · Score: 2, Funny

    You'd be written in and out of the "history" books.

    Zinoviev died, and was written out.

    Trotski was murdered in Mexico, and was written out.

    Hundreds and thousands were written out of existence, their tombstones chiseled clean.

    [citation needed]

  16. Family of Greedo rejoices by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Funny

    The family of Greedo was relieved to hear about this old technology especially about claims that the Soviet Union may have used this technology to frame their patriarch. When asked a spokesthing for the family remarked "For years we have said that George Lucas with the help of foreign powers altered footage to make it look like Greedo shot first. We've always believed that no good [beep] [beep] scoundrel Han Solo shot our Greedo in cold blood." The spokesthing continued "Well, in a way it's a good thing it has taken this long, because now that Han is married to Leia, we're talking about Intergalactic Princess money now." When asked if that meant the family intended to pursue a wrongful death lawsuit against Han Solo, the spokesthing only responded "CHA-CHING!"

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  17. Re:Stalin was having people edited out for years.. by toddles666 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "The Commissar Vanishes" is a great book that documents the methods used by the Soviets to modify photos as various people fell out of favor with Stalin:

    http://www.amazon.com/Commissar-Vanishes-Falsification-Photographs-Stalins/dp/B00007D037/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288900689&sr=8-1

    The methods used by the Soviets to manipulate and control the information consumed by the populace is pretty widely understood, and I'm sure that need to maintain control drove the use of this relatively sophisticated photo manipulation software.

  18. Re:Stalin was having people edited out for years.. by aekafan · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn. Can't think of of a better citation than this. Or search for the NKVD. Their specialty was airbrushing history. Oh, and shooting political enemies of the state in the head.

    Authoritarian tyrants are much the same whether their guise is communism, national socialism, or democracy. The best way to make people forget about enemies of the state is to not talk about them.

  19. Wouldn't it be cheaper by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wouldn't it have been cheaper just to rent the same studio that NASA used?

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  20. Now that's for a responsive UI by tibit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While the image repainting was slow simply due to memory bandwidths back then, one can't but be amazed at the instantaneous response from the right-hand menu system. It seems like it took one or two vsyncs for the new menu to appear in response to a keystroke. This is something that you still can't get on modern OSes simply because there's always the VM subsystem in the way. On OS X, working normally with few running applications and plenty of memory, I can get 100+ms lag when switching between menus. Sure, the median may be pretty good, but the worst case is annoying. It interferes with the workflow. Never mind the everpresent lag on the workspace of most applications, be it photo editing, spreadsheet, CAD, etc.

    I think that VM paging-induced lags are something that can't be overcome as long as we keep programming like we do -- with the assumption of infinite memory, more or less. I would really like to see a gradual shift towards realtime scheduling and applications where at least the core code and data is permanently wired. In the days of CP/M, WordStar was dealing quite well with slow links between the CPU and the terminal: you could type while it was trying to refresh the menus and the workspace. In the worst case, if you typed really fast, it'd only paint the characters you typed and nothing else. The timing was done such that it took into account the terminal baudrate, so things suitably improved when you'd switch the baudrate to something faster (38400 was a big deal back then, many systems only supported 19200 and defaulted to 4800 or 9600bps).

    These days there are plenty of applications where everything is unresponsive due to paging just a tiny part of the UI. You'd think that the hot path would be resident and responsive, and that the GUI systems would cope with multiple application threads all doing GUI operations. Alas, neither X11 nor winapi got that right, and I don't know offhand whether multithreaded UI operations are allowed by OS X. Heck, you'd think that message-based interthread/interprocess communications would enable one to queue messages in face of stalled threads (say disk I/O stalls), and let the core user experience stay on par with expectations circa 1980.

    Paging is the sole killer of user experience in modern applications, and it's not easy to work around it in environments where only one thread in a process can paint on the screen.

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    1. Re:Now that's for a responsive UI by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While the image repainting was slow simply due to memory bandwidths back then, one can't but be amazed at the instantaneous response from the right-hand menu system. It seems like it took one or two vsyncs for the new menu to appear in response to a keystroke. This is something that you still can't get on modern OSes simply because there's always the VM subsystem in the way.

      That's all very true, except that you're completely wrong. Seriously, what? I get those lags even on systems where I've temporarily disabled swap. I wholeheartedly agree that most X GUIs are painfully laggy - I hate that my 7MHz Amiga 1000 was much more responsive than my dual-core 3GHz desktop - but that has everything to do with the interactions between toolkits, X, and the apps using those toolkits and nothing at all to do with paging. And while you're at it, quit saying "VM" when you mean "paging". While you commonly see them together, they're nowhere near the same.

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  21. Collect 'em all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before they collect you.

  22. Re:Stalin was having people edited out for years.. by trurl7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's actually quite easy to think of a better citation. The Gulag Archipelago is a work of fiction; Solzhenitsyn has in later life admitted that, especially in regards to the overall numbers, he had made things up. This is not denying reality of what the Soviet regime was up to in those years - simply that you don't want to use the Gulag Archipelago as your primary historical citation.

  23. Re:Stalin was having people edited out for years.. by AhabTheArab · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Citation needed" usually gets on my nerves, but in this case, I must say to you: WOOOSH!!

    Tip: If you're able to provide documentation of a person or event being "written out of history", then they weren't written out of history.