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LimeWire Lives Again
Slayer Silver Wolf writes with this excerpt from TorrentFreak:
"'On October 26 the remaining LimeWire developers were forced to shut down the company's servers and modify remote settings in the filesharing client to try to harm the Gnutella network. They were then laid off. Shortly after, a horde of piratical monkeys climbed aboard the abandoned ship, mended its sails, polished its cannons, and released it free to the community.' And so, LimeWire Pirate Edition (LPE) was born. Based on the LimeWire 5.6 beta that was briefly released earlier this year and then withdrawn when Lime Wire LLC lost its lawsuit, LPE is now in the wild. In many ways, it is better than the version killed by the RIAA."
welcome the new and improved pirate version.
Good fileshaRRRing mates!
Limewire has been so painfully irrelevant for the past 8 years now that it laughable to even still hear the name. It's like when an old man mentions "That damn Napster" as a free music service. I can only imagine the people who still use this thing are admins just wanting to test their corporate anti-virus.
Shiver me timbers, the good ship LimeWire sails again! We be sharin' the booty them thar lily-livered lawyers tried to keep away from us once again!
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Horde of piratical monkeys? Ouch That is like calling Micro$oft's developers a legion of mindless coding robots. Oh wait..
that an infinate number of monkeys, working for an infinate amount of time will eventually recreate the works of shakespere.. does this mean the *IAA will seek to outlaw monkeys, or just the practice of giving monkeys keyboards?
Why would anyone use that virus-ridden "piece of eight" when you can listen to almost any piece of music you like, legally, on Spotify? (Legal film equivalents are being worked on too).
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Shut down a losing concept, and another improved version will take its place.
Why would anyone use that virus-ridden "piece of eight" when you can listen to almost any piece of music you like, legally, on Spotify? (Legal film equivalents are being worked on too).
Because you don't live in the very small section of the world where Spotify is allowed? Also, LimeWire is GPL where as Spotify is proprietary (what are they storing about you?).
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But yes, I avoid LimeWire like the plague after several spyware debacles and am kind of curious why, if LimeWire's servers are down, you would use it over Gnutella when the networks it is connecting to are (I assume) all of Gnutella's servers?
Hell, I would assume FrostWire is still a viable and better choice
My work here is dung.
chop off its head, and ten grow back
the only way to destroy filesharing is to destroy the internet. since that's not going to happen, and because you would need more money controlling and monitoring traffic (effectively) than any money you profit off of media, guess what: game over
simple economics 101 have spoken: filesharing is here to stay, and the only thing that will die is distributors who make money off of distributing content. boo hoo
economics is about supply and demand. the internet is disruptive media. it is disruptive, because it changes the basic technology, and therefore the basic economics, of media distribution: one teenager in 2010 has more global reach and distribution power than bertelsmann, time warner, sony, etc., in 1985
so when the cost associated with supply = $0, demand follows to that natural economically determined price point, and no other price is possible. you can't enforce a marketplace form a dead technological era on us
people will still make money off of music, movies, etc.: ancillary real world revenues. like concerts, like cinema houses. avatar is the most profitable movie ever made... all in movie houses. concerts reap millions for artists. but DVDs, CDs... it's all going away. artistry is not dying, only the useless middleman. do not weep for him and do not believe his trollish pronouncements about hurting the artist. sure it will take time, and the death throes will be mighty, but the writing is on the wall. game over
there is nothing for you to do, dear old school media distributors, save one thing: just hurry up and die already
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
This sort of evolutionary jump is precisely what happened when they sued Napster. These people must think that there is some sort of upper bound on technological development, and that if they keep suing, eventually file sharing will die.
Of course, these are the people who tried to block FM radio, so I guess I should not be too surprised.
Palm trees and 8
Virus-ridden music files are now free again!
Hm let's see...proprietary...proprietary...proprietary...I think we can see what the problem is here.
Proprietary software is designed to keep people divided like this.
Palm trees and 8
can an infinite number of monkeys spell "infinite" correctly?
Us europeans will stop pretending Spotify is available everywhere when all the americans realize that those of us over here can't download TV shows through the iTunes store and that Hulu blocks access as well (well, there are always US iTunes accounts and proxies but it's a serious PITA).
This gets modded informative? Some guy bitching offtopic that he can't get his American TV shows when he lives in Europe? On a thread about LimeWire?
What, do I have access to all of Great Britain's television shows? Do I have access to all the programming in Spain or Sweden? Do you think, for some reason, that because we're Americans we have everything over here? Heads up, we're supposed to be the idiots!
Why is it when distribution contracts prevent you from enjoying something over Hulu, you only think about it in one direction? You think I enjoy that I can't find subtitled Anime on Hulu? Or the latest offerings of British comedy? A bit self centered for you to only consider that you're not being subjected to American Television, wouldn't you say?
And then, when I point out that Spotify is only in parts of Europe, somehow you're justified in accusing all Americans as unable to 'realize that those of us over here can't download TV shows through the iTunes store.' Oh well, let me assure you that I know your situation all too well. And I'm pretty much at the mercy of Adult Swim to bring me The Mighty Boosh and FLCL -- and I'm lucky enough to know of their existence!
You want to switch? You know what's popular over here is twice as shitty as anything that Europe could possibly produce. You want The Jersey Shore over there? Hmmm? You want to trade some television shows? I'd really really like to do that.
I'm not stupid enough to say "us Americans will" like you seemed to be able to do with all of Europe but trust me, I suffer too from these distribution deals and lack thereof. Normally I just play the part of the ignorant drunk pompous American prick but it's hard to do when posts like yours are labeled "informative."
On behalf of America, on behalf of our lawyers, on behalf of your inability to access our TV shows, I apologize. Do you really think that every American is scheming to keep our precious reality TV from your eyes? Or that none of us realize what specifically is going on? I significant portion of the population understands distribution of copyrighted material with the advent of the internet. We're not all morons over here.
My work here is dung.
From Serenity: "Can't stop the signal."
I'm not a human, but I play one on T.V.
Shouldn't that be "...a horde of piratical code monkeys..."?
This seems to be their new website: http://metapirate.webs.com/
And this forum post mentions publishing their source under the GPL: http://metapirate.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/3713405-where-is-the-source-code-
The difference here is, someone was making money selling LimeWire to people for the purpose of downloading music. Now there's no one benefitting financially.
It's the difference between making a copy of a CD for your friend, and making a copy of a CD and selling it to someone. The latter is what most people think of as actual copyright related piracy (as opposed to boat-related piracy). Selling copied, fake, or otherwise unauthorized goods.
Keep in mind, when Microsoft talks about cracking down on piracy, it usually means the people who buy a single copy of Windows and make money selling Windows to other people, usually for way less than the market price. They aren't worried about the people who don't pay, they are worried about people who are willing to pay the wrong people.
Similar situation here. People are willing to pay LimeWire for the software instead of spend that money towards buying legitimately. We can start an argument about how it should be a strong message that they should change their business model - resurrect any article on the music industry and it's all been hashed out, that's not my point. My point is it's not about the lessons they didn't learn with Napster. It's about stopping someone from making money selling a product whose primary purpose is to infringe. Regardless of whether it should be illegal, it happens to be illegal to do that in the places LimeWire was operating.
that an infinate number of monkeys, working for an infinate amount of time will eventually recreate the works of shakespere.. does this mean the *IAA will seek to outlaw monkeys, or just the practice of giving monkeys keyboards?
I think the "*IAA" in this case is the Publishers' Guild of America, but I don't know. (I don't live in the USA, FWIW.)
[Also, starting a sentence in the subject and continuing it in the body annoys some people. Also also, it's `infin/i/te' and `/S/hakespe/are/'. JTYMLTK]
Have been using LimeWire way back its a good source of songs that are very very hard to find, and its also a good source of virus as well. Good thing I'm using Linux while doing this.
I haven't been using this for quiet a very long time, I'm not really into music that much anyway, I was kind a sad when it 'died'. But I'm also kind of surprise that somebody's taken it over again! After the battle LimeWire went through. It's going to be another chasing game.
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are piratical monkeys mortal enemies of robotic ninjas ?!
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I don't worry about annoying people. However thank you for the markup, I will make those corrections before submitting my final draft.
atleast one can
Damn! Beat me to it.
Not rename and move, but: move to a new name+location and then softlink. That way I get my own cleaned-up directory structure and names (jamu.py compatible), but still have the crappy structure somewhere else where it can seed from. Another advantage to this approach is that my incoming filesystem is always going to be horrifically fragmented (because each file arrives in random order), so I just let it happen, use a non-extant filesystem like ext3 for that one, and when I do the copy, it goes to a nice clean super-high-performance extant-based one like JFS (XFS or ext4 would be ok too) all-at-once.
I've been using Frostwire on my linux box for years, I didn't encounter any issues after the courts shut down Limewire. I really don't understand why this is a big deal, considering the Frostwire project did this same things in preparation for a lawsuit/paywall. This Limewire Pirate Edition is the same thing, except they formed after the fact, so they don't seem to be too forward-thinking.
I don't see what has come out that surpasses Limewire. Bittorrent is dependent on a web page for searching for files and for finding peers. DHT and Peer Exchange help in this somewhat. Bittorrent is also dependent on web pages in searching for files. Tribler, Cubit and Torrent Exchange are attempts to solve this, but nothing has come out that deals with this, while it has been OK from day one with Gnutella. Gnutella is fundamentally peer-to-peer and extensible. If something better has replaced Limewire I haven't heard of it.
i'm sorry but limewire can easily be lumped into the vast majority of horrible p2p applications such as kazaa, morpheus, and anything else that came in napster's wake. if you take the quality of your files even just a little serious, then you would know to avoid limewire like the plague. i can't believe anyone, even the totally disgusting public p2p scene, would care.
The problem with that saying is that you do not need both an infinite amount of time AND an infinite number of monkeys.
Either an infinite amount of time OR an infinite number of monkeys will do just fine. That is the nature of infinity.
I don't worry about annoying people.
Quite all right, we just won't worry about reading what you write. Cheers!
You can't stop the signal, Mal.
It seems they'll never get this simple concept through their antiquated-business-model brains: People will find a way, even if it means resorting to SneakerNet.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
"At some point, you've got to get some level of compensation equivalent to the work. Not neccessarily more to any degree, but equivalent."
no, never. if YOU decide to become a musician and invest in recording equipment and instruments and slave away hours of your life that is on YOU, not ME. i owe you nothing
if however, you make that investment, and you get a following, heck even if a local small following, who are willing to pony up for a gig of yours live, or an advertiser wants to use your music on an advert, or whatever, power to you. good for you
but most artists, always and forever more, will starve. it's the nature of being an artist, because it is so easy to love art and so many want to be an artist. there is no shortage of artists. and so economics of supply and demand: large supply, middling demand means your price point is quite low
besides, an artist does it for love. and that is just the way it is, and always will be and should be: art for the sake of loving art. your art is your just rewards, and no greater reward exists
there is nothing that says i have to support you because you wish to write music. you do it on your own time, on your own dime, and you find your own way. if you don't then you have the music you love to keep you company
and probably a chick or two or hundred
chicks always love the starving artist. that's the only dependable return on your investment you can ever get: women. you get to do what you love, and you are guaranteed women
that's the reward you get, and deserve, nothing more. it is complete bullshit that i owe you ANYTHING because YOU chose to become an artist. you may make some money from touring, advertising, etc., you will get in some chick's pants, but you aren't OWED anything from me just because you tried to make some music. that notion is pure bullshit
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
And unemploy their own families? Not likely.
I'm reminded of outfits like Trade Mark Of Quality that got concert bootleg tapes pressed to vinyl. That particular company's domain was mainstream classic rock (they got some really good stuff in that genre) instead of hardcore punk, but seems like a similar idea
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
Yeah, the hit big or miss big imbalance is an interesting challenge. Perhaps a less top-heavy industry would be a good idea.
I figure the changes in the industry allow more room for middle-class successes, which would smooth out out that curve, even though there will still be big winners and big losers.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
KISS's stuff is in some ways formulaic rock'n'roll, but then again, it seems to be a good implementation of the formula.
And their stage show (sizzle to the steak) is kinda a love or hate thing
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
It is amazing how the standard of English grammar and spelling plummets particulary on threads about file-sharing. Appalling that the advocates for freedom are so poor at expressing their/they're/there essentially good ideas!
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I think one of the biggest issues - the thing that makes piracy so socially acceptable these days - is that in the old days if i bought a vinyl, cassette, CD, etc... I was buying the physical media, and of course paying for the content on it, but the product i received was something i could do what i like with, i could play it wherever i want, loan it to a friend, re-sell it, etc... But with the rise of digital distribution what do we get? What are we paying for? We don't own the music, we don't get a license to use the music, we can't resell it when we no longer want it (because we didn't get a product), we can't loan it to a friend, all we get is a bit of bandwidth on the distribution server. Most people who pirate music would - I assume - be loath to pay for bandwidth on the distribution server when they can get that for free and if they can say to themselves 'i wouldn't have bought it anyway' then they don't see it as stealing because they haven't taken anything from anyone else. Although services like iTunes are convenient, they are still pretty much the same price as you would pay in a store, but you don't get the aforementioned benefits of physical media.
Reading the comments on torrentfreak reminds me of http://www.xkcd.com/810/ ... There's a reason there's not much spam here... So I say "mission fucking accomplished"
Seriously? With a name like that, who would use it? Besides the "secret devs", I mean.
I am not devoid of humor.