US Marshals Saved 35,000 Full Body Scans

PatPending writes "A Gizmodo investigation has revealed 100 of the photographs saved by the Gen 2 millimeter-wave scanner from Brijot Imaging Systems, Inc., obtained by a FOIA request after it was recently revealed that US Marshals operating the machine in the Orlando, Florida courthouse had improperly — perhaps illegally — saved [35,000] images [low resolution] of the scans of public servants and private citizens."

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Good. Hope this keeps up

[BadAnalogyGuy]

The more these assholes abuse their power, the less willing the public will be to entrust power to them.

Oh god, who am I kidding?..

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[Monkeedude1212]

the less willing the public will be to entrust power to them.

Problem is - you're trained from day 1 to entrust your power to them. Most everyone doesn't believe there is any other way.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[Stargoat]

In order to be a juror at a building, I was required to remove my belt and shoes.

The Republic was somehow able to survive through 2 World Wars, a Civil War, and multiple British invasions (see what I did there?) without disrobing jurors. There is no greater threat now than has existed in the past. There is only a populace that is more cowed and less willing to challenge an ever increasing authority.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[Speare]

I overheard it put this way: "If the government is going to keep groping our wives and daughters, somebody's going to go Braveheart on them." Oppressive behavior just creates terrorists, it doesn't find or defeat them.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[paeanblack]

President Merkin Muffley: General Turgidson, I find this very difficult to understand. I was under the impression that I was the only one in authority to order the use of nuclear weapons.

General "Buck" Turgidson: That's right, sir, you are the only person authorized to do so. And although I, uh, hate to judge before all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like, uh, General Ripper exceeded his authority.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[Shakrai]

I thought that too -- always knew that I would disagree with BHO on most domestic issues but I had anticipated that he would restore some respect for civil liberties into the Federal Government. Instead we've learned that the Democrats are just as happy as the GOP to embrace security theater.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[h00manist]

Socialist countries were just a bullshit power game, capitalist countries are just a bullshit power game. The difference is that in the capitalist countries there is good marketing.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[Shakrai]

I love you lying Republic fucktards and how easily you conveniently forget the truth (AKA lie).

The truth is that the security theater has been embraced by both parties. Obama's Homeland Security secretary is currently the biggest cheerleader for this technology. He is every bit as guilty as GWB of infringing on our civil liberties. The only question is what are you going to do about it?

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[rwa2]

Yeah, security theater, and heck, all government bureaucracy dealings make a lot more sense if you look at it as CYA (cover yer arse).

If (when) the next terrorist action occurs, you have to be able to say you did all you could (no matter how ridiculous) to prevent it. But who could have foreseen the $(shoe | underwear | pregnant) bomber? Now that we know, we shall immediately take action to more rigorously screen $(shoes | underwear | fetuses).

And anyone who backs off on one of those ridiculous reactionary measures will get hit will full responsibility for the next attack. And not our failures in $(foreign relations | winning hearts and minds | education | outreach) that perpetuate the inequalities that make people desperate enough to get indoctrinated for guerrilla suicide operations in the first place.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[Shakrai]

Actually it just requires that the state have a BIGGER gun and that some portion of the population is willing to go along with the state.

The 2nd amendment doesn't work when the individual stands up to the Government, even when the Government is completely in the wrong (see Ruby Ridge). It only works when the Government commits acts that are so far over the line that a sizable portion of the population is willing to take up arms.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[rubycodez]

In the early 40s, "half wits believing what they were doing was ok" were shoving slavs, jews, and homosexuals into railroad cars. You're wrong, we absolutely need to use the law to utterly destroy the life of at least one TSA half-wit and a not few of the degenerates at the top (Janet N.) who approved of our child-molesting and grandma-groping overloads..

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[tophermeyer]

By the Power of GODWINS LAW!!!

Persecuting a TSA dumbass for following an illegal order is probably the worst way of effecting change. Do you understand that the problem is at the top of the pyramid? The problem is the people at the top and the policies they are crafting. Not the rank and file guys following these ridiculous policies.

By no means am I condoning the activity, but stringing up the first TSA grunt that gropes the wrong person is ridiculous. That dudes life will be absolutely and utterly destroyed for following what he believe to be legal and lawful instructions. I'm saying we should prevent the groping from happening in the first place.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up

[Schadrach]

You make it sound like putting very good locks on the cockpit doors would have prevented the 9/11 attacks, but not funneled as much money to friends of politicians nor been as visible in a "see, we're making it better" sort of way. Maybe include an armed undercover LEO on every plane as an additional security measure -- undercover so that an attacker knows someone on the plane is armed, but has no way of knowing whom.

Seriously, there are two things that allowed the 9/11 attacks to occur, and much like the "be handed the ball and stroll through the defensive line" football play (seriously, just search youtube for football play, it's probably still the first result) it will never work again. Those two things are:

1. Access to the cockpit by the attackers. A securely locked cockpit resolves this issue entirely. Even better if it can only be locked or unlocked from the inside.

2. Apathy by the passengers -- before this, being hijacked basically meant an unfortunate detour for you. Now that it's clear it can mean potential death, the passengers who wildly outnumber the terrorists can almost certainly stop him. Even if he's armed -- after all, resist and maybe die is a better bet than don't and certainly die.

uhuh

[jav1231]

And they'll get about as much of a punishment as Charles Rangel.

Like maybe: "The officers involved have received reprimands that will go in their permanent record."

Opt for the frisking

[PhrostyMcByte]

If someone is going to invade my privacy for pointless security theater, I might as well make it as uncomfortable and inconvenient for them as possible. In airports, I always opt for frisking instead backscatter. No pictures to save then, either.

Re:is this what you're worried about?

[Tebriel]

No, it's the fact that the data isn't supposed to be stored. They're retaining the data illegally. That's what we're supposed to be even more worried about--the abuse of the system.

Security personel are always dicks

[thetoadwarrior]

Is anyone really surprised? Have you ever met a mall security guard, bouncer, airport monkey who wasn't a complete power abusing ass? Face it people do give them grief and it can be a shitty job so the only people that are going to take it are the type who are looking to bully the public.

Re:is this what you're worried about?

[140Mandak262Jamuna]

I agree with you in principle. But where were you when "if $something saves one child it is worth it" crowd is going nuts? Some deranged loon would do something really crazy. Some 200 policemen and FBI agents would chase every lead, winnow them down over a month. And finally when all the facts are available, this crowd would come in demanding action, demanding accountability, demanding action, demanding something to be done. "If only that police officer in that traffic light, clearly seen in the video had stopped the perp who was walking when the DontWalk sign was on, this whole tragedy would have been averted" They would chant demand somebody or the other to be fired. So they have perfected CYA strategies to fine arts level.

None of the politicians would stand by any government servant. If there is one thing civil servants know, it is when the shit hits the fan, one of them will be scape goated. Media would be going fanning the flames. All those liberatarians and the small government conservatives and the "tax cuts will solve everything" crowd will be silent, very very silent. There will be no one to tell in the media frenzy, "It is sad it happened, but it can't prevented without serious invasion of privacy of millions of people and huge expansion of the government and law enforcement expenditure."

Next time a terrorist blows up a plane, stand up and say, "yeah, it is sad and tragic. But we as a country have gone through far worse. We lost a million soldiers in WW II. 50K in Vietnam. Dresden, Berlin, Tokyo, London were all bombed mercilessly. We survived. Compared to that it losing two buildings and 3000 people is nothing. If we cower in our shoes and crap in pants, the terrorists have won. Just let us go back to normalcy." But no one will.

Good time to campaign for trains

[h00manist]

Trains don't fall from the sky. They run on electric power. Carry many more people than planes. Stops right in the middle of downtown, origin and destination, no trip to and from the airport needed. Sometimes you can just get on, no papers or checking at all, and buy the ticket later on board. Sometimes there is a restaurant car, or a bar car. You can see the scenery, it is less than a yard away from your window. You have long seats, tables, lots of space, walk around the cars. You can get off at the next town, walk around, and take the next train. There are almost never any accidents. Did I say it's electric?

so my choice is

[circletimessquare]

1. radiation exposure and some mall cop staring at my dick. with pictures for permanent internet memories

2. some mall cop groping my dick

i choose 3: fuck flying. taking the airplane is a burdensome horrendous experience that just keeps getting worse and worse. it makes driving 20 hours seem more attractive than flying 4 hours

"the terrorists have won" is a lame trite statement, but it's true. they've permanently altered our society to turn us into scared cattle and they've permanently made airplanes a hellish unattractive transportation method

Re:so my choice is

[kungfugleek]

they've permanently altered our society to turn us into scared cattle and they've permanently made airplanes a hellish unattractive transportation method

No. That was us.

Naked Body Scanners DO and ARE saving images!

[gabrieltss]

This isn't the ONLY thing either...

Big Sis Caught Lying To American People
http://www.infowars.com/big-sis-caught-lying-to-american-people/

Video: Big Sis Caught Lying
http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-big-sis-caught-lying.html

'Naked' scanners at US airports may be dangerous: scientists
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h08khPyFPinX_4vNYd1JZwn8hV4Q?docId=CNG.442824fa7c08853af96322d7315a6f02.461

Shocker: TSA Has Been Molesting Children For Years
http://www.prisonplanet.com/shocker-tsa-has-been-molesting-children-for-years.html

TSA Now Putting Hands Down Fliers’ Pants
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-now-putting-hands-down-fliers-pants.html

TSA Gives Rapists And Illegals The Green Light While Groping Children
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-gives-rapists-and-illegals-the-green-light-while-groping-children.html

Re:That's nothing

[clone53421]

In the US, once you enter in an agreement with any corporation you lose some rights. What the TSA is doing now is no worse than what many software companies do with their EULAs, it's just more obvious because it's physical.

No. That’s bullshit.

Certain rights can’t be contracted away. Period.

That’s why almost any contract has a clause in it that says something to the effect that “you may have certain rights that are not listed, or we may not legally be able to indemnify ourselves from certain warranties or liabilities, in which case those claims are held void but the rest of our contract is still actionable”.

Writing a clause into a contract that takes away my inalienable rights just makes the contract illegal.

Re:That's nothing

[jeff4747]

The justification is that terrorists attempting to breach security could carry out their attempt up just before the point of detection, then say "you know what...never mind, I don't want to subject myself to this", then leave without detection and have a chance to try again until one of them makes it through successfully

Ok, take a moment and think about this.

How, exactly, would they know that they are going to be detected on one attempt, and know that they are not going to be detected on another attempt? What used to be "additional screening" a few years ago is now applied to all passengers - we're all getting a pat-down or backscatter scan now.

The thing that may be moronic about it is assuming that someone who is about to sacrifice their life in an attack would actually care about being fined $10K

The moronic thing is thinking that someone who is going to set off a bomb to kill hundreds in an airplane would not set off a bomb to kill hundreds in a crowded security area.

Re:That's nothing

[Chowderbags]

I do not automatically consent to a search just because I buy an airline ticket. I don't consent to a search just because I get in line with that ticket. I don't consent to a search even when I get to the front of the line. I don't consent to a search when hearing what they want to do to me. I only consent to a search when I say "Yes, I consent to be searched". What kind of fucked up situation are we in where once you're past a certain point, you suddenly cannot back out of having a TSA agent rub you down? What happened to "The right of the people to be secure in their persons...against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..."? I'm not talking about even to the level of probable cause, but just to the standard of reasonable suspicion. Refusing to be manhandled by TSA agents is not grounds for reasonable suspicion any more than refusing to speak to the police proves your guilt.