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Is Linux At the End of Its Life Cycle?

Glyn Moody writes "That's what Nikolai Pryanishnikov, president of Microsoft Russia, seems to think. Quoted in the context of continuing questions about Russia's plans to create its own national operating system based on GNU/Linux, Pryanishnikov said [via Google Translate]: 'We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle.' An off-the-cuff comment, or something more?"

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  1. And Windows is? by gman003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The same criticisms can be applied to Windows. Definitely not a Russian OS, and it's definitely starting to slip.

    1. Re:And Windows is? by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By implying that Windows has undergone a ground up rewrite wile Linux has not, you imply that you already know the answer to your own question, which means your question is not at all earnest.

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    2. Re:And Windows is? by ThatMegathronDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, let's

  2. Wadka. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle." An off-the-cuff comment, or something more?"

    Too much vodka?

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  3. It's Hindsight by jgagnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As in looking at the world with your head stuck firmly up your ass.

    The GNU tool chain isn't going anywhere. The Linux kernel isn't going anywhere. The only thing in flux to any great degree would be the packages contained in the distributions.

    If you define "end of life cycle" as the middle of eternity, then sure, GNU/Linux is at the "end" with half-way to go.

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    1. Re:It's Hindsight by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The use of Dash as the default shell over Bash, the growing preference for cmake over GNU Make, and the speedy progress of Clang against GCC mean that the GNU toolchain is not invulnerable. Even if they still have a few years on the competition in most areas, I think GNU needs to start thinking now about how to maintain its relevance in the long term.

    2. Re:It's Hindsight by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't have to...
      GNU is not about dominance, it is about ensuring software freedom. GNU was a plan to replace proprietary tools with open equivalents, the fact that these open equivalents are now being replaced with superior open equivalents is irrelevant.

      I doubt RMS's primary goal is that everyone use GNU software, rather that everyone should use open source software regardless of who wrote it or where it came from, providing its users have the freedoms granted by the GPL (or a great level, eg BSD).

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  4. How One Might Interpret That by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is at the end of its life cycle

    That's not a bad thing. In a lot of the classic software development models, the "end" state of a software's life cycle was operations and maintenance (O&M). Which is to say you have no new requirements having fulfilled all the basic requirements. It's bad if you constantly need new features but sometimes it can be an indication that the software is mature or near complete. At this point the customer only ever pays you money to put it back into development or fix/improve something small.

    I would agree that the 2.6 kernel series is very robust and something we will most likely use for quite sometime. But I would always shy from ever saying that an operating system has all the major features it could ever need. I mean, I know a lot of clients that are committed to some version of the 2.6 kernel in their server rooms and would only ever update if there was a necessary security flaw or performance feature that they could not live without. For a lot of them, Linux has provided all the web server or database hosting features they would ever need and the product of "Linux" is indeed in the final phase of its life cycle. The vast majority of their patches are to Apache, Postgres, etc.

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  5. Cool Story, Bro by rakuen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not one of those people who mindlessly bashes on Microsoft for being Microsoft. But what I see here is the president of a Microsoft branch saying one of their competitors is dying. Specifically a competitor for, essentially, a government contract.

    In other news, water is wet.

  6. Oh come on by Jethro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really, this is the kind of remark best ignored rather than obsessing or getting upset over. Company execs talk nonsense all the time. I mean what do you expect him to day "Oh dear, this new OS will cut into our sales, as Linux has been doing and will continue doing for the foreseeable future"? Didn't think so.

    Let him talk, just nod politely and continue compiling your kernel.

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  7. Russian OS.. by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows is not a Russian OS either... I'm not aware of any OS which has been developed from scratch in Russia.

    Linux at least comes with source code allowing the Russians to customise it however they wish. Windows doesn't provide that flexibility.

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  8. Re:Google Translate by TurtleBay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to second this. My girlfriend is trilingual and is a professional translator. She jokes with her coworkers at how bad online automated translations are. Take a look at funnytranslator.com. After 30 online translations the phrase: "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle." becomes: "The Linux Caozuojitong what life in Russia, you know."

  9. Re:Flame Bait by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All open source projects evolve to the point where the current developers want to throw away all the code and start again.

    Ask the KDE4 guys how's that working out for them.

    Meanwhile, it's an interesting point. In the closed source world the justification for keeping ancient shit code is that "we have too much money in it to throw it away"; open source can simply outwait the creators of the ancient code, or fork.

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  10. Bollocks by TheRealGrogan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of these Microsoft people believe their own FUD. They'll argue that the sun is the moon to discredit alternatives. One of the best that I've heard from someone I used to think highly of is that "Windows has far more security mechanisms in place than Unix"

    I think that part of the driving force for the attitude among Microsoft enthusiasts is that they are scared of change. They are happy in their safe little world (safe, in terms of job security etc.) and it makes them angry that better systems exist and people are taking an interest in them.

    Note that I'm an MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solitaire Engineer) but please don't hold that against me :-)

    1. Re:Bollocks by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's also the infatuation people have with wealth and power. Microsoft infuses everything with vast hype and very expensive, flashy, and overwhelming marketing, and most people are hopelessly dazzled by it. Bill Gates is or was Forbes' richest man for years, and people fall into an emotional transference trap by concluding that this makes him some kind of a wise sage who can do no wrong, and the magic is generalized to everything he touches. It is superstition and tribalism deep within our subconscious pulled back out with the most powerful force known to man: money.

      It is sad, it is pathetic, it is moronic, it is self-destructive, but it is.

  11. Russians learned that technique from Comrade Lenin by ElmoGonzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This guy is the "president of Microsoft Russia". Does anyone think that he's going to say anything positive about Linux?

  12. Re:Nonstory, sorry by md65536 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, but ms only does this when they already have a competing product that has already proven itself vastly more successful.
    http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/09/11/1920205/Microsoft-Holds-iPhone-Funeral-Event
    http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/09/22/1416246/Xbox-Head-Proclaims-Blu-ray-Dead

    It's not like they're trying to create popular doubt in superior products or anything.

  13. Re:In Soviet Russia... by jgardia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nah, I just think it is just the way they see things in Microsoft. When an OS is stable and works reliably, then it is at the end of its life cycle (like Windows XP).

  14. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about all the other socialist services you enjoy, such as roads and highways, food inspections, parks, etc.? Should those be eliminated too? Good luck inspecting your own food before buying it. I guess you can just have your family sue the grocery store after you die of food poisoning, or maybe we'll just rely on word-of-mouth getting around and the grocery store selling tainted meat going out of business after a few hundred people die.

  15. Re:In Soviet Russia... by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We do want socialism in the US. Look at medicare, medicaid, the military, police, fire departments, public schools, public libraries, public roads, social security, the list of popular socialist endeavors is quite long.

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  16. why bother? by t2t10 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Linux kernel architecture is creaky, but so is everybody else's. And it doesn't matter. The kernel's job is to shuffle bytes between devices and processes and manage memory. The Linux kernel does that pretty efficiently, people seem to be able to write good drivers for it, and that's pretty much all there's to it. It's the same with window systems: X11 gets the job done as efficiently and well as anybody, and even though there's some legacy stuff in there, there is no point in rewriting it.

    And it's not like anybody else has something better. The NT kernel is full of complicated functionality that nobody actually uses. The OS X kernel is a microkernel that has been turned into a monolithic kernel and has had a BSD brain transplant. The one recent OS that really tried to shake things up a bit is Plan 9, but it crashed and burned.