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Sculptor Gives a Hint For CIA's Kryptos

omega_cubed writes "The New York Times reports that Jim Sanborn, the sculptor who created the wavy metal pane called Kryptos that sits in front of the CIA in Langley, VA, has gotten tired of waiting for code-breakers to decode the last of the four messages. 'I assumed the code would be cracked in a fairly short time,' [Sanborn] said, adding that the intrusions on his life from people who think they have solved his fourth puzzle are more than he expected. So now, after 20 years, Mr. Sanborn is nudging the process along. He has provided The New York Times with the answers to six letters in the sculpture's final passage. The characters that are the 64th through 69th in the final series on the sculpture read NYPVTT. When deciphered, they read BERLIN."

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  1. Shucks! by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Funny

    All this time I thought it said "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

    1. Re:Shucks! by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round. The jar is round. They should call it Roundtine. That's gold, Jerry! Gold!

    2. Re:Shucks! by PatPending · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round. The jar is round. They should call it Roundtine.

      Blame US Customs:

      The story of OVALTINE®, or should we say Ovomaltine, begins in 1904. Ovomaltine was originally developed in Switzerland as a recovery drink for skiers returning from a long, active day. (For some reason it was never poured into little kegs and hung on the necks of St. Bernards for roaming the Alps.)

      As it grew from a recovery drink into a popular chocolatey beverage, Ovomaltine decided to see the world. When it went through customs, however, a printing error forever changed the name of the chocolatey treat. And the world was introduced to OVALTINE. (Our thanks go out to customs!)

      Of course, if this had happened today, it would be called... OBAMATINE

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    3. Re:Shucks! by Knuckles · · Score: 3, Informative

      I guess it has something to do with eggs and malt.

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    4. Re:Shucks! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Funny

      Come now. You may weigh as much as 4 normal people but you are hardly "millions".

  2. No! Don't solve the puzzle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you do, the[NO CARRIER]

  3. Poor Cryptographer? by Beardydog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Why hasn't anyone solved my one-time pad encrypted puzzle?"

    1. Re:Poor Cryptographer? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Informative

      They have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VENONA_project

      The Soviet planners were so impressed with one-time pads that decided that they needed to be copied:

      Somebody who was working for the manufacturers of Soviet secret-communication materials had reused pages of some of the "one-time" pads in other "one-time" pads, which were then used for other secret messages. This defeated the purpose of the one-time pad, which provides ideal security when each page is used exactly once and then disposed of.

      The article continues:

      It is unclear as to why this fatal mistake was made, or by whom.

      I would guess that he, who made the mistake, is pushing up the daisies in Siberia now . . .

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  4. Re:Intrusions? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA. Somebody showed up on his doorstep with a binder full of claptrap, and they still weren't right.

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  5. OK, so now we know that.... by dohzer · · Score: 5, Funny

    N = B
    Y = E
    P = R
    V = L
    T = I
    T = N (if it's preceded by another 'T'),

    It shouldn't take too long to solve now.

  6. Re:I'd like to solve the puzzle, Pat by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Germans are incredibly tolerant about their language; if you try to speak it they will lend helping hands. I guess they figure that if you have the courage to try to learn it, and speak it, you don't need to prove any valour beyond that. (German is not my first language).

    I have seen the film clip where Kennedy says, "Ich bin ein Berliner!", but all of the crowd knew what he wanted to say, and so it was no problem.

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  7. The remaining 64 characters by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

    I remember a night we walked along the Seine riding on the metro

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  8. Re:It's the CIA guys. by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Informative

    The US government used to work hard to keep the NSA out of the public eye. Though the existence of the organization wasn't a total secret, press coverage wasn't welcome at all until after September 11. I remember when I arrived at Defense Language Institute in late 1999 as a fresh Navy recruit, some among my supervisors, old hands in SIGINT and some of whom had served at Ft. Mead itself, were very upset at the recent Baltimore Sun coverage of DLI and the NSA. "The public doesn't need to know any of what we do."

    Also, the CIA's spies had to use encryption. Their lives depended on it, and the organization grew out of earlier military units concerned with cryptography and codebreaking.

    So when it came to putting up a monument like this, one that would attract the public to figure out its secrets, better to put it outside the CIA's headquarters, because by this point the existence and general purpose of the CIA was known to everyone.

  9. Re:Intrusions? by pthisis · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was part of their plan to decode it. They know that social engineering is often a much more effective way of getting at encrypted data than an attack on the algorithm; by pestering the author with a bunch of claptrap, they've already gotten him to reveal part of the plaintext.

    Next phase: Stand outside of his apartment with a stereo held overhead Say Anything-style, blasting Achy Breaky Heart. The remainder of the message will fall in days.

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  10. Re:What's sad/scary about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing sad about this. It just illustrates that cryptanalysis is very hard when there's not enough context.

    In other words, you too can keep your messages secret for 20 years if you (1) keep your messages short and seemingly random, and (2) don't reuse the same cypher.

    The three letter agencies have a better chance of decoding the Voynich manuscript than this statue, simply because there's more to analyze in the manuscript.

  11. Re:i just fucked a girl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ironically, this is actually the message encoded in Kryptos.

  12. Kryptos -- Section 2 - Coordinates by BearGriz72 · · Score: 4, Informative
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  13. Re:i just fucked a girl by VTI9600 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, that's clearly not right, see:

    I just fucked a girl in her pussy! more than you loser-ass fuckBERLINckbeards will ever do.

    get some sunlight you stupid fuckers!! hahahaha

    Go back to cryptanalysis school, n00b.

  14. Re:First time, eh? by VTI9600 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I did the only sensible thing and entered it into WolframAlpha for analysis. So, at this point, I have determined that "fucking" is a very colloquial, informal intensifier with a Scrabble score of 17 that corresponds to the telephone keypad digits, 382-5464. I give up.

  15. Misdirection ? by Rollgunner · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The guy is a cryptographer... I'd consider "Berlin" as being both a clue *and* a misdirection.

    The message might well read something like : rememBER LINcoln's birthplace...

  16. Re:just wondering by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope. The greatest fool can ask a question that the wisest man cannot answer.

    It's incredible easy to make a cipher so convulated and impractical (e.g. encode by the phase of the moon determined by the fourteenth character, then transpose all vowels, add up the number of strokes within each letter using the Arial font, multiply those numbers by the number 10 places ahead of it, then look those up on a ceasar cipher) that it's boring and uninteresting to decipher it and pretty much "impossible". Unfortunately, it also becomes incredibly useless as a cipher then because it becomes tedious to communicate using it, and the security of a cipher has nothing to do with its difficulty of encryption or decryption procedure - you'll probably find that a couple of supercomputers could find enough patterns in the above "cipher" that they could find the right answers without having to even KNOW the phase of the moon.

    The thing about mathematical ciphers is that the method is public and yet they are still incredibly difficult to decrypt. This isn't an interesting cipher, mathematically speaking, because the method is closed so it could be anything. All we have is some jumbled text and (presumably) a sensible answer that we're not privy to. It's more a children's puzzle than a cipher, just a very difficult one - because nobody actually uses this cipher to communicate (so the cipher can be unnecessarily complicated without actually being *secure*, the plaintext could well be complete junk, the message may even be erroneously encoded, and there's only a single - non-militarily-important - instance of an encoded text).

    In short - nobody cares. It's like the book-competitions where someone buries treasure and publishes a book which "gives the details" of where it's buried. It's pretty much chance if you find it or not because there is no requirement for the answer to be logical, practical or even decryptable. The one I saw, you had to draw a line from the eye of a character on each artwork-strewn page, through their index finger, to a particular letter in a word on the outside of the page border, then interpret those clues which narrowed things down to an entire field somewhere in the UK - the "winner" was the author's former-flatmate's girlfriend.

    The importance of a ciphered message is more related to its origin, the probability of it being an unintentional leak, the probability of it being militarily important, and other non-mathematical factors. Then, if you have the impetus, running it through a supercomputer with what little you know or (infinitely better) getting a couple more messages that use the same scheme and are likely to reveal commonalities. That's how we beat Engima. This is just a puzzle-book, and quite boring because it can actually just be gibberish and nobody would really care.